They opted for the Fox Trot.
- Dieselhead

I'm reading all this serious stuff and then this. I laughed my ass off.

They opted for the Fox Trot.
- Dieselhead

good one

Interesting article here from Satchel Price from Second City Hockey...raises some really good questions...

http://www.secondcityhock...k-kane-rape-investigation

Interesting article here from Satchel Price from Second City Hockey...raises some really good questions...

http://www.secondcityhock...k-kane-rape-investigation
- DK002

Yes, he makes some good points that I agree with. However, as is his wont, he goes a little hyperbolic like the statement "If Kane is charged, there's simply no way he can return to a franchise that's placed its stake in doing the right thing by its fans.". Being charged with a crime is not the same thing as being convicted of a crime. As foreign as the concept may be to some, even Kane is assumed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty. Proving innocence in the court of public opinion is another thing entirely and on that point I agree there is damage already done regardless of the actual facts.

Finally, Kane is not "The Blackhawks". He's one player, albeit a very important player. The Hawks organization are not responsible for what Kane may have done. There is no loss of love for the Hawks from this fan, regardless how the Kane situation ends up.

Yes, he makes some good points that I agree with. However, as is his wont, he goes a little hyperbolic like the statement "If Kane is charged, there's simply no way he can return to a franchise that's placed its stake in doing the right thing by its fans.". Being charged with a crime is not the same thing as being convicted of a crime. As foreign as the concept may be to some, even Kane is assumed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty. Proving innocence in the court of public opinion is another thing entirely and on that point I agree there is damage already done regardless of the actual facts.

Finally, Kane is not "The Blackhawks". He's one player, albeit a very important player. The Hawks organization are not responsible for what Kane may have done. There is no loss of love for the Hawks from this fan, regardless how the Kane situation ends up.
- EbonyRaptor

Innocent until proven guilty.

Vs.

Perception is reality.


Being charged would be devastating, particularly since there is clearly a careful investigation going on before any charges are being laid (if ever) .

....And if a Grand Jury is assembled it is because the DA feels there might be due cause for an indictment.
- Al

Or you could also look at it as the DA is unsure?

If after this long, the DA is unsure, I would suggest that is good news for Kane. This doesn't seem to be in line with the "slam dunk" that we heard about earlier this week.

One thing that bothers me a lot though is that Kane hasnt denied anything publicly.

The whole situation sucks.
- mrpaulish

I believe the thinking is that the moment he, or his counsel denies anything, then this becomes a question of whether or not we believe him.

If they maintain silence, we are not yet faced with that question. If he is not formally charged and he never made a comment, then this looks much more like much ado about nothing.

I like the idea of not commenting at this point.

Interesting article here from Satchel Price from Second City Hockey...raises some really good questions...

http://www.secondcityhock...k-kane-rape-investigation
- DK002

The author of the article started to lose me when he mentioned he started to "cry and not in the happy way" Seems a little dramatic for a person who is not directly involved in this situation. He needs to take a step back, take a deep breath and realize he can still root for the team. Everyone's favorite teams have employed lousy people at some point. Every profession includes a small portion of people that do bad things in their personal life. I wish that wasn't the case but it's naive to think otherwise.

On that note. Good Morning everyone!

Interesting article here from Satchel Price from Second City Hockey...raises some really good questions...

http://www.secondcityhock...k-kane-rape-investigation
- DK002

"So I cried. I sat there, watching what's undeniably one of the best moments of my life, and couldn't think about it the same way anymore."

Unless you are someone that had a direct influence on winning those cups, this guy is far too attached to his fan status. I love hockey, but no way does something someone else accomplishes become a defining moment in your life.

"So I cried. I sat there, watching what's undeniably one of the best moments of my life, and couldn't think about it the same way anymore."

Unless you are someone that had a direct influence on winning those cups, this guy is far too attached to his fan status. I love hockey, but no way does something someone else accomplishes be a defining moment in your life.
- jfkst1

One would hope not.

Well that's the same view basically the judge had...
Like I said earlier the League was at fault for improper supervision.
But the NFL more so than any other sport is so big they must feel they can do no wrong. ...And when they do Goodell is used as shield by the owners and he obliges as he makes about 30-40 million a year...
- Al

I believe the whole sting operation was set up to throw Belishik under the bus and get him. When he immediately shrugged and passed to Brady, the league was caught dumbfounded, and then we got a TMZ quality case brought against Brady.

The whole thing is part of the ESPN led Social justice brigade in modern sports.

One would hope not.
- Interloper

I might suggest it could but in a different way. Let's say your dad has been a fan of the team for 50 years and your team has never won the Cup. Let's say you score tickets to the Cup winning game and take your dad to said game. It may not be a defining moment in your life but I bet it would be one of the most important, getting to share that experience with your dad.

Just a thought...

"So I cried. I sat there, watching what's undeniably one of the best moments of my life, and couldn't think about it the same way anymore."

Unless you are someone that had a direct influence on winning those cups, this guy is far too attached to his fan status. I love hockey, but no way does something someone else accomplishes become a defining moment in your life.
- jfkst1

Could not agree more, but mark my words, there will be class action lawsuits from fans if Kane is convicted of anything. There will be a group of Victims outside of the incident.

Or you could also look at it as the DA is unsure?

If after this long, the DA is unsure, I would suggest that is good news for Kane. This doesn't seem to be in line with the "slam dunk" that we heard about earlier this week.
- Interloper

DA could be unsure or as some said last night...He takes himself out of the middle to an extent by going to a GJ.

Well that's the same view basically the judge had...
Like I said earlier the League was at fault for improper supervision.
But the NFL more so than any other sport is so big they must feel they can do no wrong. ...And when they do Goodell is used as shield by the owners and he obliges as he makes about 30-40 million a year...
- Al

Goodell keeps getting black eyes but gladly takes them as a trade off for his compensation and the owners don't care because they are minting money and glad to have him take the shots rather than themselves.

I might suggest it could but in a different way. Let's say your dad has been a fan of the team for 50 years and your team has never won the Cup. Let's say you score tickets to the Cup winning game and take your dad to said game. It may not be a defining moment in your life but I bet it would be one of the most important, getting to share that experience with your dad.

Just a thought...
- stljam

Even in a case like that, I am not sure it would be a defining moment in my life. Perhaps this is because neither my dad, nor I, are that "into" any sport and our day to day relationship is strong.

I concede that for some people this may be the case, but again, I would hope not. If cheering for a sports team is that significant in your life, I would say you have missed out on a lot of life.

Just mho though

Or you could also look at it as the DA is unsure?

If after this long, the DA is unsure, I would suggest that is good news for Kane. This doesn't seem to be in line with the "slam dunk" that we heard about earlier this week.
- Interloper

The DA is considering a run for an open seat on the New York Supreme Court, so he's covering his butt. He wants to let the GJ to decide whether to charge Kane and what if any charges to bring.

I believe the whole sting operation was set up to throw Belishik under the bus and get him. When he immediately shrugged and passed to Brady, the league was caught dumbfounded, and then we got a TMZ quality case brought against Brady.

The whole thing is part of the ESPN led Social justice brigade in modern sports.
- TrueGrit

Um no. The judge made the right call by dismissing the case because the process of arbitration and suspension was unfair. The NFL lawyers screwed up by not allowing chief counsel to be interviewed during arbitration by Brady's camp, by not simply saying the words 'this will be treated as a PED suspension' and by basically conducting a kangaroo court to suspend him. But that does not mean Brady did not deflate balls. He most certainly did and he was most certainly guilty of that (even according to Judge Berman) Brady's lawyers focused on the process that the NFL suspended him becasue he is guilty as sin at deflating balls and everyone knows it. Read the Wells Report, clear as the day is long, basically have texts proving Brady ordered it. I mean, do you buy the argument that the guy was called the 'deflator' cause he was on a diet??? LOL Regardless, was not a sting operation as much as a bungled operation of the NFL suspending a player with the star power and resources to actually sue the NFL on it

DA could be unsure or as some said last night...He takes himself out of the middle to an extent by going to a GJ.
- Al

Are you suggesting that his only motive here is to make someone else make the decision and that this actually doesn't suggest anything about Kane's probable guilt one way or the other?

We don't have a Grand Jury system in Canada so I am not familiar with the how/when/why it is used.

I did read that 9 times out of 10 Grand Juries issue indictments.

Um no. The judge made the right call by dismissing the case because the process of arbitration and suspension was unfair. The NFL lawyers screwed up by not allowing chief counsel to be interviewed during arbitration by Brady's camp, by not simply saying the words 'this will be treated as a PED suspension' and by basically conducting a kangaroo court to suspend him. But that does not mean Brady did not deflate balls. He most certainly did and he was most certainly guilty of that (even according to Judge Berman) Brady's lawyers focused on the process that the NFL suspended him becasue he is guilty as sin at deflating balls and everyone knows it. Read the Wells Report, clear as the day is long, basically have texts proving Brady ordered it. I mean, do you buy the argument that the guy was called the 'deflator' cause he was on a diet??? LOL Regardless, was not a sting operation as much as a bungled operation of the NFL suspending a player with the star power and resources to actually sue the NFL on it
- Hawkeyes1

That is the real unfortunate part of this. Brady is certainly guilty and yet, that is all lost now because the NFL handled this so poorly. There should be an asterisk beside every record he owns. His actions are as bad as using steroids. In fact, screwing with equipment may even be worse.

Um no. The judge made the right call by dismissing the case because the process of arbitration and suspension was unfair. The NFL lawyers screwed up by not allowing chief counsel to be interviewed during arbitration by Brady's camp, by not simply saying the words 'this will be treated as a PED suspension' and by basically conducting a kangaroo court to suspend him. But that does not mean Brady did not deflate balls. He most certainly did and he was most certainly guilty of that (even according to Judge Berman) Brady's lawyers focused on the process that the NFL suspended him becasue he is guilty as sin at deflating balls and everyone knows it. Read the Wells Report, clear as the day is long, basically have texts proving Brady ordered it. I mean, do you buy the argument that the guy was called the 'deflator' cause he was on a diet??? LOL Regardless, was not a sting operation as much as a bungled operation of the NFL suspending a player with the star power and resources to actually sue the NFL on it
- Hawkeyes1

McNally: Tom sucks…im going make that next ball a (frank)in balloon

Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done…

Actual texts exchanged by Patriots ball boys. Also in other texts he referred to himself as the deflater. If you read the Patriots lawyer rebuttal published after the Wells Report this is their quote

First is the speculation that the references are in fact a conversation Mr. Jastremski had with Mr. Brady and not with someone else.

Right, like TOM is talking about a different Tom (who happens to be the qb of the Patriots) So please, stop with the 'sting' bs. Tom Brady is guilty as sin at deflating footballs. (Even as the NFL rightly had their unfair arbitration ruling rescinded)

I believe the whole sting operation was set up to throw Belishik under the bus and get him. When he immediately shrugged and passed to Brady, the league was caught dumbfounded, and then we got a TMZ quality case brought against Brady.

The whole thing is part of the ESPN led Social justice brigade in modern sports.
- TrueGrit

As it turns out the Patriots followed the correct script...But it goes to show the oversights from a league perspective that can happen when the money keeps rolling in.
It would have been very easy to safeguard the footballs before every game if a league policy would have been in place.

Um no. The judge made the right call by dismissing the case because the process of arbitration and suspension was unfair. The NFL lawyers screwed up by not allowing chief counsel to be interviewed during arbitration by Brady's camp, by not simply saying the words 'this will be treated as a PED suspension' and by basically conducting a kangaroo court to suspend him. But that does not mean Brady did not deflate balls. He most certainly did and he was most certainly guilty of that (even according to Judge Berman) Brady's lawyers focused on the process that the NFL suspended him becasue he is guilty as sin at deflating balls and everyone knows it. Read the Wells Report, clear as the day is long, basically have texts proving Brady ordered it. I mean, do you buy the argument that the guy was called the 'deflator' cause he was on a diet??? LOL Regardless, was not a sting operation as much as a bungled operation of the NFL suspending a player with the star power and resources to actually sue the NFL on it
- Hawkeyes1

You missed my point. I postulated that Belishek was the original target, but he stayed clear. That is who the league was after for rules violation under his watch.

The whole Brady saga is as much of a joke as the political scandals of our day.

The author of the article started to lose me when he mentioned he started to "cry and not in the happy way" Seems a little dramatic for a person who is not directly involved in this situation. He needs to take a step back, take a deep breath and realize he can still root for the team. Everyone's favorite teams have employed lousy people at some point. Every profession includes a small portion of people that do bad things in their personal life. I wish that wasn't the case but it's naive to think otherwise.

On that note. Good Morning everyone!
- Bustov22

Agreed..how old is that writer? It's not the crying that bothers me (though odd), but the notion that he's conflicted over how to reconcile his rooting for a team that has more than its share of rich, immature, entitled players on it. Where's he been?

As it turns out the Patriots followed the correct script...But it goes to show the oversights from a league perspective that can happen when the money keeps rolling in.
It would have been very easy to safeguard the footballs before every game if a league policy would have been in place.
- Al

Exactly, if that was what they were interested in. The obvious escapes so many of the sports medias "brightest" minds.

And yes, the correct script was followed. Many forget how shocked everyone was when Belishek threw Brady under the bus on the whole deal. The league did not anticipate this, and why the whole deal became more and more absurd, day after day.

Anyhow, that is another 6 months of time we can never get back...