Not sure what this means...

@JaredSHopkins: A buffalo TV station is reporting a witness in Patrick Kane case was subpoenaed to appear before grand jury http://t.co/1FIBdP83Wa
- golfbard

It means he'll probably be indicted real soon if a plea isn't reached before next week.

Not sure what this means...

@JaredSHopkins: A buffalo TV station is reporting a witness in Patrick Kane case was subpoenaed to appear before grand jury http://t.co/1FIBdP83Wa
- golfbard

All Grand Jury is used for is to get sworn statements from witnesses.

As a regualr witness you can say whatever you want. If a subpoena is given ror an indivual for. Grand jury testimony they are trying to lock someone into their statement. The DAs or whatever they call them in NY Atate probably wants some sworn statements before deciding what to do. Doesnt mean good or bad for Kane.

It means he'll probably be indicted real soon if a plea isn't reached before next week.
- druryisclutch

Man don't like the sound of this at all.

That doesn't sound good.
- EKB13

Hey Eli...

Yep...kinda looks like a grand jury is gonna hear the evidence on Sept. 8

https://twitter.com/ScottLevinWGRZ

At least we're seeing some movement.

That doesn't sound good.
- EKB13

Not if you thought this was going away anytime soon.

All Grand Jury is used for is to get sworn statements from witnesses.

As a regualr witness you can say whatever you want. If a subpoena is given ror an indivual for. Grand jury testimony they are trying to lock someone into their statement. The DAs or whatever they call them in NY Atate probably wants some sworn statements before deciding what to do. Doesnt mean good or bad for Kane.
- mrpaulish

Yo Paulish...

Grand juries decide whether there is probable cause to prosecute someone for a felony crime. IOW a grand jury hears the available evidence to determine if an indictment should be brought against a potential defendant. The grand jury operates secretly and the normal rules of evidence do not apply. The prosecutor runs the proceedings with no judge present.

Yo Paulish...

Grand juries decide whether there is probable cause to prosecute someone for a felony crime. IOW a grand jury hears the available evidence to determine if an indictment should be brought against a potential defendant. The grand jury operates secretly and the normal rules of evidence do not apply. The prosecutor runs the proceedings with no judge present.
- ArlingtonRob

Pretty sure he's familiar with how it works.

Yo Paulish...

Grand juries decide whether there is probable cause to prosecute someone for a felony crime. IOW a grand jury hears the available evidence to determine if an indictment should be brought against a potential defendant. The grand jury operates secretly and the normal rules of evidence do not apply. The prosecutor runs the proceedings with no judge present.
- ArlingtonRob

....And if a Grand Jury is assembled it is because the DA feels there might be due cause for an indictment.

Yo Paulish...

Grand juries decide whether there is probable cause to prosecute someone for a felony crime. IOW a grand jury hears the available evidence to determine if an indictment should be brought against a potential defendant. The grand jury operates secretly and the normal rules of evidence do not apply. The prosecutor runs the proceedings with no judge present.
- ArlingtonRob

Whats up Robbie.

The main point is to lock in witness statements. Im saying that grand jury is used as an extra layer of protection for the attorney weather to pursue charges or not. This doesnt mean Kane is going to trial ,

....And if a Grand Jury is assembled it is because the DA feels there might be due cause for an indictment.
- Al

Yep, sounds like this may not be going away for a while.

Pretty sure he's familiar with how it works.
- Ogilthorpe2

Tom.Wilson never pressed charges !

Whats up Robbie.

The main point is to lock in witness statements. Im saying that grand jury is used as an extra layer of protection for the attorney weather to pursue charges or not. This doesnt mean Kane is going to trial ,
- mrpaulish

This x10000

Easy way out for the DA. He can remain insulated and be able to point the decision to bring charges or not on the grand jury.

My guess is his review of testimony and evidence aren't leading him to a bulletproof conviction. He is only going to move forward if he thinks he can win.

We arent getting an answer before camp breaks folks.

Just cause there is a Grand Jury doesnt mean there will be charges is all I am saying.

Just cause there is a Grand Jury doesnt mean there will be charges is all I am saying.
- mrpaulish

I'll take your word for it.

....And if a Grand Jury is assembled it is because the DA feels there might be due cause for an indictment.
- Al

That is correct.

Isn't there a phrase about D.A.'s and a ham sandwich?

At least events are moving forward.

One thing that bothers me a lot though is that Kane hasnt denied anything publicly.

The whole situation sucks.

Just cause there is a Grand Jury doesnt mean there will be charges is all I am saying.
- mrpaulish

But wouldn't that be the next step if it was going to trial?

Whats up Robbie.

The main point is to lock in witness statements. Im saying that grand jury is used as an extra layer of protection for the attorney weather to pursue charges or not. This doesnt mean Kane is going to trial ,
- mrpaulish

True...

...but a GJ wouldn't be convened at all if the evidence was sketchy.

We'll find out soon.

But wouldn't that be the next step if it was going to trial?
- Al

At the Grand Jury level the case can still go either way.

Lots of counties use the Grand Jury to get out of pressing charges.

Sometimes at GJ the witness or victim change their statements and the case gets thrown out for no probable cause.

They could have already pressed charges and arrested Kane without the GJ.

At the Grand Jury level the case can still go either way.

Lots of counties use the Grand Jury to get out of pressing charges.

Sometimes at GJ the witness or victim change their statements and the case gets thrown out for no probable cause.

They could have already pressed charges and arrested Kane without the GJ.
- mrpaulish

I see your point but my thinking is if they were sure nothing happened there wouldn't be a GJ.

I see your point but my thinking is if they were sure nothing happened there wouldn't be a GJ.
- Al

The Buffalo DA apparently is huge on politics , if he wasnt going to move forward with the case he could be using the GJ to pass the buck and say look there wasnt enough evidence to pursue Patrick Kane . Plus remember this doesnt save Kane from the eventual civil suit.

This season cant start soon enough.


Its pretty apparent no matter what the Kane is an bumhole.

Also this is the same route he went with Kane last time:

http://sports.espn.go.com...ago/news/story?id=4396647

The Buffalo DA apparently is huge on politics , if he wasnt going to move forward with the case he could be using the GJ to pass the buck and say look there wasnt enough evidence to pursue Patrick Kane . Plus remember this doesnt save Kane from the eventual civil suit.
- mrpaulish

I see and there would be millions of reasons for this to go to a civil trial...

Also this is the same route he went with Kane last time:

http://sports.espn.go.com...ago/news/story?id=4396647
- walleyeb1

I can say that incident, although Kane wasn't blameless was originally blown out of proportion. The comparison would stop with the procedural route as this is much deeper water.