Boy... U set the bar really high.... Especially in early September.
- Al

High bar - but you got over it:

Good interview.

Nice to hear some Hawk Talk there - not much about the Hawks there this summer - much the same East Coast bias as NHLNetwork.

The Captain has spoken

Chris Kuc ‏@ChrisKuc 28m28 minutes ago
Jonathan Toews on @TSN1290Radio regarding Patrick Kane situation: "You stay together as a team and you support your teammate." #Blackhawks

Did someone say Tom Wilson



?????
- mrpaulish

just for you

Much of this is actually inaccurate. A suspension by the League would have no impact on any potential criminal case. The League has the right to suspend when there is a criminal investigation underway where not doing so undermines the interests of the league, i.e. where it might make them look bad if he turns out to be guilty. This is what they did with Voynov and it didn't affect his case in any way.

I'm not even sure what rights of appeal he has n this kind of suspension. If not playing hockey would depress him too much to fight the legal issues he has bigger issues than anyone thought.
- Canada Cup

Big difference between "could" and "should." i've been arguing about the latter. Yes Article 18-A grants the Commissioner extensive rights to suspend for off-ice conduct. But SHOULD he do that before any charges have been brought? Should he do that if he can't yet prove what happened at Kane's house? There is a HUGE gap in severity between Kane's case and the misconduct alleged in deflategate, and so should the severity of embarrassment be increased a thousand-fold for the NHL getting too far out in front of this very serious matter. At least with Goodell, he felt like there was no other means of punishing these offenses if he didnt act. Here the team/league should refrain from acting until the criminal process is resolved. Otherwise they will have a circus on top of a circus as Kane has no choice but to fight on multiple fronts.

BTW, there are extensive formal hearing and appeal rights re such suspensions, and a separate clause (Sec 18-A.5) for delaying the Commissioner's discipline if it overlaps with ongoing criminal and/or civil litigation (no doubt for the reasons I prev described). such relief should be granted unless Bettman proves "substantial risk of material harm to the legitimate interests and/or reputation of the League." Star witness = David Sterne and Kobe, whose team went to the nba finals with high ratings the year he played with rape charges hanging over his head. I promise this is my last post on the legal framework here, cause I know its boring. And maybe Kane will be a good little boy and just take it all with a unicorn smile, and this will all be moot. But don't say no one warned y'all if the Hawks overplay this to get pre-camp cap relief and Showtime responds as Showtime does -- to win. This will get a whole lot uglier.

P.s. Voynov had special problems that made his case diff, but whatever.

Big difference between "could" and "should." i've been arguing about the latter. Yes Article 18-A grants the Commissioner extensive rights to suspend for off-ice conduct. But SHOULD he do that before any charges have been brought? Should he do that if he can't yet prove what happened at Kane's house? There is a HUGE gap in severity between Kane's case and the misconduct alleged in deflategate, and so should the severity of embarrassment be increased a thousand-fold for the NHL getting too far out in front of this very serious matter. At least with Goodell, he felt like there was no other means of punishing these offenses if he didnt act. Here the team/league should refrain from acting until the criminal process is resolved. Otherwise they will have a circus on top of a circus as Kane has no choice but to fight on multiple fronts.

BTW, there are extensive formal hearing and appeal rights re such suspensions, and a separate clause (Sec 18-A.5) for delaying the Commissioner's discipline if it overlaps with ongoing criminal and/or civil litigation (no doubt for the reasons I prev described). such relief should be granted unless Bettman proves "substantial risk of material harm to the legitimate interests and/or reputation of the League." Star witness = David Sterne and Kobe, whose team went to the nba finals with high ratings the year he played with rape charges hanging over his head. I promise this is my last post on the legal framework here, cause I know its boring. And maybe Kane will be a good little boy and just take it all with a unicorn smile, and this will all be moot. But don't say no one warned y'all if the Hawks overplay this to get pre-camp cap relief and Showtime responds as Showtime does -- to win. This will get a whole lot uglier.

P.s. Voynov had special problems that made his case diff, but whatever.
- meta_puck_luck

Fair points but talking about the Leafs is more boring. Jays on the other hand....

BTW, wonder if this means Voynov is going to be deported.



http://www.latimes.com/sp...oynov-20150904-story.html

Still standing by Kaner's side and hoping to hear good news soon. If he needs to sit out for a while to get his personal life together, so be it. I support him in doing that. As long as he comes back when he's ready, remains a Hawk and gets back on the ice asap doing what he does best, leading us to more Cups.

The Captain speaks:

https://m.soundcloud.com/...e-for-third-time-a-thrill

Did someone say Tom Wilson



?????
- mrpaulish

I think i saw someone mention a trade idea. Kane for Wilson straight up. LOL!

Today's interview...

NHL Radio with Boomer Gordon-Blackhawks Summer http://chirb.it/m28pFC
Kane mess, fanbase, new faces and thoughts before training camp.

On Twitter@AlCimaglia

Today's interview...

NHL Radio with Boomer Gordon-Blackhawks Summer http://chirb.it/m28pFC
Kane mess, fanbase, new faces and thoughts before training camp.

On Twitter@AlCimaglia
- Al

Very good as always Al.

Big difference between "could" and "should." i've been arguing about the latter. Yes Article 18-A grants the Commissioner extensive rights to suspend for off-ice conduct. But SHOULD he do that before any charges have been brought? Should he do that if he can't yet prove what happened at Kane's house? There is a HUGE gap in severity between Kane's case and the misconduct alleged in deflategate, and so should the severity of embarrassment be increased a thousand-fold for the NHL getting too far out in front of this very serious matter. At least with Goodell, he felt like there was no other means of punishing these offenses if he didnt act. Here the team/league should refrain from acting until the criminal process is resolved. Otherwise they will have a circus on top of a circus as Kane has no choice but to fight on multiple fronts.

BTW, there are extensive formal hearing and appeal rights re such suspensions, and a separate clause (Sec 18-A.5) for delaying the Commissioner's discipline if it overlaps with ongoing criminal and/or civil litigation (no doubt for the reasons I prev described). such relief should be granted unless Bettman proves "substantial risk of material harm to the legitimate interests and/or reputation of the League." Star witness = David Sterne and Kobe, whose team went to the nba finals with high ratings the year he played with rape charges hanging over his head. I promise this is my last post on the legal framework here, cause I know its boring. And maybe Kane will be a good little boy and just take it all with a unicorn smile, and this will all be moot. But don't say no one warned y'all if the Hawks overplay this to get pre-camp cap relief and Showtime responds as Showtime does -- to win. This will get a whole lot uglier.

P.s. Voynov had special problems that made his case diff, but whatever.
- meta_puck_luck

The NHL hasn't done anything yet, neither has the Blackhawks.

The comparison to deflate-gate needs to stop. The embarrassment for the league would come when police show up at a game and pull Kane off the ice to cuff and arrest him for rape. No, I don't think that would happen but that's the potential impact. What's the downside of him staying away until it's settled? Not much.a few months of him not playing. We'll all survive.

Big difference between "could" and "should." i've been arguing about the latter. Yes Article 18-A grants the Commissioner extensive rights to suspend for off-ice conduct. But SHOULD he do that before any charges have been brought? Should he do that if he can't yet prove what happened at Kane's house? There is a HUGE gap in severity between Kane's case and the misconduct alleged in deflategate, and so should the severity of embarrassment be increased a thousand-fold for the NHL getting too far out in front of this very serious matter. At least with Goodell, he felt like there was no other means of punishing these offenses if he didnt act. Here the team/league should refrain from acting until the criminal process is resolved. Otherwise they will have a circus on top of a circus as Kane has no choice but to fight on multiple fronts.

BTW, there are extensive formal hearing and appeal rights re such suspensions, and a separate clause (Sec 18-A.5) for delaying the Commissioner's discipline if it overlaps with ongoing criminal and/or civil litigation (no doubt for the reasons I prev described). such relief should be granted unless Bettman proves "substantial risk of material harm to the legitimate interests and/or reputation of the League." Star witness = David Sterne and Kobe, whose team went to the nba finals with high ratings the year he played with rape charges hanging over his head. I promise this is my last post on the legal framework here, cause I know its boring. And maybe Kane will be a good little boy and just take it all with a unicorn smile, and this will all be moot. But don't say no one warned y'all if the Hawks overplay this to get pre-camp cap relief and Showtime responds as Showtime does -- to win. This will get a whole lot uglier.

P.s. Voynov had special problems that made his case diff, but whatever.
- meta_puck_luck

There is no comparison between deflategate and Kane...None.
Ultimately the ball incident happened becasue the NFL didn't not have the proper protocol in place...But the last thing they will do is blame themselves.
That was why it was misguided to suspend Brady for so long when the same stuff has been going on for years.

Toews is everything you want in a player for your team.
Intelligence. Skill. Class. And an insane determination to win.
Too early to call HoF? Haha Go Hawks!

The Captain has spoken

Chris Kuc ‏@ChrisKuc 28m28 minutes ago
Jonathan Toews on @TSN1290Radio regarding Patrick Kane situation: "You stay together as a team and you support your teammate." #Blackhawks
- pdx2ord

Toews said nothing surprising...or particularly news worthy.

Jon and all his mates will repeatedly make the same public statements when camp opens, and nothing will change until the incident is officially resolved.

Edit...now it would be interesting to hear what the players say in private, but I doubt we ever will.

Toews said nothing surprising...or particularly news worthy.

Jon and all his mates will repeatedly make the same statements when camp opens, and nothing will change until the incident is officially resolved.
- ArlingtonRob

Like I said today...The leadership group will make their feelings on Kane felt if need be...

Oops.

Today's interview...

NHL Radio with Boomer Gordon-Blackhawks Summer http://chirb.it/m28pFC
Kane mess, fanbase, new faces and thoughts before training camp.

On Twitter@AlCimaglia
- Al

Very nize.

I don't know, fellas...I'm surprised Toews acknowledged the question.

voynov may get deported

I don't know, fellas...I'm surprised Toews acknowledged the question.
- Hank3Henshaw

Sooner or later the players would be asked questions and have to reply. It's not surprising Toews is the first to comment publically and he said everything you'd expect him to say.

Sooner or later the players would be asked questions and have to reply. It's not surprising Toews is the first to comment publically and he said everything you'd expect him to say.
- DarthKane

I hear you. I'm just mixed on his response. I know it's not an easy question to answer, but I wish he would have deflected the question a bit more.

Since we now have three Russian players on the Hawks roster there is a good chance another Russian player might be added next year. Maxim Shalunov our draft pick from 4 years ago is starting to make some noise in the KLH. His game really picked up during the KHL playoffs last year. Maxim , in the first 5 games this year has three goals and two assists. He is on his last year on his contract for Sibir. I always liked the kid when he played at Rockford. He might be a late bloomer. His defense has improved quit a bit. Fast skater and has a very accurate hard shot. He gained about 20 lbs and is 6'3".

Apparently not, I was kind of surprised too.
- John Jaeckel

He is in. Inducted in 97.


http://www.legendsofhocke...r&mem=P199702&list=ByName

Not sure what this means...

@JaredSHopkins: A buffalo TV station is reporting a witness in Patrick Kane case was subpoenaed to appear before grand jury http://t.co/1FIBdP83Wa

Not sure what this means...

@JaredSHopkins: A buffalo TV station is reporting a witness in Patrick Kane case was subpoenaed to appear before grand jury http://t.co/1FIBdP83Wa
- golfbard

That doesn't sound good.