Its not even the scoring so much as it is his ability to dominate possession and carry a "2nd line" all by himself, make it as good as most teams 1st lines. Which in turn causes matchup nightmares for the rest of the league. Even if we traded Kane for 2 players that scored more than Kane did combined, we would lose that secret weapon and that special advantage we have on most other teams.
- SimpleJack

It is not always about loosing a mega player. Sometimes you have to cut your risks.The Hawks are in a whale of a hurt with the cap There is high risk in Keeping Kaner because he is a repeat offender. I hope he get's his head together for his sake....but you never know? One more bad move by Kane and Stan will get peanuts in a trade. I will be praying for Kaner.

so the legal system should make a hasty decision to ease your angst?
- honeybunny

I personally believe the legal system should do its best to do right by the team and the NHL as a courtesy. There are a lot of major business decisions and ramifications waiting on some sort of conclusion to this matter, not to mention a large segment of the public that is invested in it. Expediting the process would be a nice gesture to the people and the affected businesses.

so the legal system should make a hasty decision to ease your angst?
- honeybunny

Never said that.
Don't attribute those words to what I said.
I articulated the fact that the wait seems interminable and expressed what many/most of us want: a decision.
Any other spin you'd like to put on it is yours alone.

I personally believe the legal system should do its best to do right by the team and the NHL as a courtesy. There are a lot of major business decisions and ramifications waiting on some sort of conclusion to this matter, not to mention a large segment of the public that is invested in it. Expediting the process would be a nice gesture to the people and the affected businesses.
- Sandus

last i checked, the wheels of justice are not about courtesy nor nice gestures.

last i checked, the wheels of justice are not about courtesy nor nice gestures.
- honeybunny

Last time I checked, elections are voted on by people, who are easily swayed by emotion and nice gestures. Your wheels of justice can spin much faster if they wanted.

Last time I checked, elections are voted on by people, who are easily swayed by emotion and nice gestures. Your wheels of justice can spin much faster if they wanted.
- Sandus

Due process should be a constant speed for all. Whether it is or is not in reality is a whole separate matter.

I personally believe the legal system should do its best to do right by the team and the NHL as a courtesy. There are a lot of major business decisions and ramifications waiting on some sort of conclusion to this matter, not to mention a large segment of the public that is invested in it. Expediting the process would be a nice gesture to the people and the affected businesses.
- Sandus

i hope you were going for laffs, cuz i just laughed reading that comment... just glad i wasn't drinking tea/ coffee...

Due process should be a constant speed for all. Whether it is or is not in reality is a whole separate matter.
- stljam

THIS^^^^ And it's the subject of a class I took in law school. Always been thus - wheels of justice should be neutral but seldom are.

There's a difference between expecting something to resolve quickly to suit personal whim and hoping for it. Count me hopeful.

Due process should be a constant speed for all. Whether it is or is not in reality is a whole separate matter.
- stljam

I understand that, but when you have so many jobs and so much money at stake, it behooves you to dedicate more effort and manpower toward a quicker resolution. I'm not saying cut corners by any means, but there are ways to speed this up, and they've done it before. This isn't Joe Schmoe who mops the floor at McDonalds. You're talking about a multibillion dollar industry with lots of layers of employees, and a major component of that industry teetering on the fence.

THIS^^^^ And it's the subject of a class I took in law school. Always been thus - wheels of justice should be neutral but seldom are.

There's a difference between expecting something to resolve quickly to suit personal whim and hoping for it. Count me hopeful.
- Marlowe

Well said Marlowe!

I personally believe the legal system should do its best to do right by the team and the NHL as a courtesy. There are a lot of major business decisions and ramifications waiting on some sort of conclusion to this matter, not to mention a large segment of the public that is invested in it. Expediting the process would be a nice gesture to the people and the affected businesses.
- Sandus

Are you kidding me???? I don't even know where to begin with this.

Last time I checked, elections are voted on by people, who are easily swayed by emotion and nice gestures. Your wheels of justice can spin much faster if they wanted.
- Sandus

Just a guess here but I wouldn't think that nice gestures towards the Hawks' front office are going to matter a lot to the fine voters of Buffalo. (frank)ing up this investigation probably would matter though.

So it's come to this. The Hawks tell JJ they WANT to stand behind Kane, but there's 0% chance he starts the season in uniform. They tell Mex they dont want to suspend him on the eve of camp...but they are being FORCED to? For what? All they can prove right now is he went to a night club, had some drinks, and brought back a one-night-stand? Who's casting the first stone on that? The rest are allegations he vehemently denies, and the Hawks can't and shouldn't want to prove in advance of the criminal process. The union will eat that up.

Just a guess here but I wouldn't think that nice gestures towards the Hawks' front office are going to matter a lot to the fine voters of Buffalo. (frank)ing up this investigation probably would matter though.
- Canada Cup

Not to mention the DA's political aspirations and 98% conviction rate...

Just a guess here but I wouldn't think that nice gestures towards the Hawks' front office are going to matter a lot to the fine voters of Buffalo. (frank)ing up this investigation probably would matter though.
- Canada Cup

Where is there a correlation between moving faster and making mistakes? If the case hinges on gathering and compiling information at this stage, then you allocate more resources to that. It can be done. It has been done.

And this isn't just a Chicago issue. This concerns the entire NHL, Buffalo included. If it didn't, you wouldn't be talking about it. All 30 teams care about what comes of this, and there are a ton of variables right now that can change the NHL landscape for this upcoming season. There are major NHL sponsors weighing decisions right now. There are other clubs who may be willing to make moves if they feel they're in a different position without Kane in the league. There are HRR concerns too. Everyone is affected and everyone is waiting.

Nice, PE!
If I had time, I'd photoshop some black/white stripes on one of the pics of #88 with the post-season mullet.

Come to think of it, should it just be Orange?
You know orange is the new black/white stripes.

- savvyone-1

The other day I saw a referee jersey with the indianhead on the front and on the back was 88 and the name Kane. Now that there is funny, but I really didn't laugh as much as I might have under normal circumstances.

Where is there a correlation between moving faster and making mistakes? If the case hinges on gathering and compiling information at this stage, then you allocate more resources to that. It can be done. It has been done.

And this isn't just a Chicago issue. This concerns the entire NHL, Buffalo included. If it didn't, you wouldn't be talking about it. All 30 teams care about what comes of this, and there are a ton of variables right now that can change the NHL landscape for this upcoming season. There are major NHL sponsors weighing decisions right now. There are other clubs who may be willing to make moves if they feel they're in a different position without Kane in the league. There are HRR concerns too. Everyone is affected and everyone is waiting.
- Sandus

Hey Sandus! Of course all of the above isn't lost on the powers that be (TPTB) in BUF, but IMO (take it for that alone and for what it's worth - maybe not much) they are far more concerned right now with getting it right - for myriad reasons INCKUDING those you are siting - than they are with any sort of speed at this point. Whatever this investigation yields in the end a big constituency (of voters or vocal interlopers or special interest groups or hockey fans or whatever) is going to come away disappointed. I think (see above for value statement) that TPTB are going to be very careful here and will take as much time as they need to be thorough and dot every i and cross every t so that they can defend their actions and/or inactions.

EDIT: and resources are limited in government. There are a lot of other criminal investigations that are ongoing I am sure. Taking limited resources away from those would create a huge problem for the local elected official running the investigation- see comment above regarding DA with perhaps higher political aspirations and a 98% conviction rate.

Where is there a correlation between moving faster and making mistakes? If the case hinges on gathering and compiling information at this stage, then you allocate more resources to that. It can be done. It has been done.

And this isn't just a Chicago issue. This concerns the entire NHL, Buffalo included. If it didn't, you wouldn't be talking about it. All 30 teams care about what comes of this, and there are a ton of variables right now that can change the NHL landscape for this upcoming season. There are major NHL sponsors weighing decisions right now. There are other clubs who may be willing to make moves if they feel they're in a different position without Kane in the league. There are HRR concerns too. Everyone is affected and everyone is waiting.
- Sandus

I think you are going a little overboard.

Kane is not such a big deal that the NHL is going to suffer if he isn't playing and in limbo waiting on a criminal investigation.

I bet the Blues don't mind waiting. Or anyone in the Central. Most likely anyone in the West.

There are plenty of star players that the NHL will promote/etc. And likely will regardless of what happens. At least for a while even if nothing comes of this, the NHL will distance themselves from promoting Kane. Because there is too much risk involved in the near future. Too much if a risk of a backlash from fans who will have made up their minds, right or wrong.

The other day I saw a referee jersey with the indianhead on the front and on the back was 88 and the name Kane. Now that there is funny, but I really didn't laugh as much as I might have under normal circumstances.
- 6628

Holy poop 66, was that in a store?!


Regardless of the outcome, you just KNOW you are going to see some of those in opposing rinks when the Hawks visit. What a mess. As has been said before, multi-million dollar talent, LESS than 10 cent brain.

So it's come to this. The Hawks tell JJ they WANT to stand behind Kane, but there's 0% chance he starts the season in uniform. They tell Mex they dont want to suspend him on the eve of camp...but they are being FORCED to? For what? All they can prove right now is he went to a night club, had some drinks, and brought back a one-night-stand? Who's casting the first stone on that? The rest are allegations he vehemently denies, and the Hawks can't and shouldn't want to prove in advance of the criminal process. The union will eat that up.
- meta_puck_luck

"allegations he vehemently denies" Really I missed that, when did Kane come out and say that?

Where is there a correlation between moving faster and making mistakes? If the case hinges on gathering and compiling information at this stage, then you allocate more resources to that. It can be done. It has been done.

And this isn't just a Chicago issue. This concerns the entire NHL, Buffalo included. If it didn't, you wouldn't be talking about it. All 30 teams care about what comes of this, and there are a ton of variables right now that can change the NHL landscape for this upcoming season. There are major NHL sponsors weighing decisions right now. There are other clubs who may be willing to make moves if they feel they're in a different position without Kane in the league. There are HRR concerns too. Everyone is affected and everyone is waiting.
- Sandus

Even if it was an entire NHL issue, that would not warrant speeing this up or reallocating resources from other cases. I have no idea where the investigation is or is going and what the DA needs to make a decision.

I know this sounds Pollyanna-ish but at least two people lives are going to be hugely affected and if the Hawks' front office is just going to have to wait. On the political side, the DA stands to lose a great deal depending on how this plays out.

Holy poop 66, was that in a store?!


Regardless of the outcome, you just KNOW you are going to see some of those in opposing rinks when the Hawks visit. What a mess. As has been said before, multi-million dollar talent, LESS than 10 cent brain.
- savvyone-1

No store, some kid walking down the street as I was driving by. Second best sweater I've ever seen. First was a full dress red gamer, numbers were an S with 2 lines through(dollar sign) and the Wirtz name on the back.

Not to mention the DA's political aspirations and 98% conviction rate...
- Marlowe

We used to debate the merit of conviction rates. Only try slam dunk cases and get a 99% conviction rate while allowing 50% of the criminals to go unprosecuted. I'd rather have a DA with a lower conviction rate who has convicted more criminals but that's just me.

We used to debate the merit of conviction rates. Only try slam dunk cases and get a 99% conviction rate while allowing 50% of the criminals to go unprosecuted. I'd rather have a DA with a lower conviction rate who has convicted more criminals but that's just me.
- stljam

Yeah, my comment wasn't an endorsement by any means. Thinking that they are still (probably?) getting a lot of plea agreements too - though maybe not as many as they would if defense attorneys know they don't like to go to trial without a slam dunk.

I understand that, but when you have so many jobs and so much money at stake, it behooves you to dedicate more effort and manpower toward a quicker resolution. I'm not saying cut corners by any means, but there are ways to speed this up, and they've done it before. This isn't Joe Schmoe who mops the floor at McDonalds. You're talking about a multibillion dollar industry with lots of layers of employees, and a major component of that industry teetering on the fence.
- Sandus

Would it be fair to Joe Schmoe to delay his trial and make him spend more time in jail (say he can't post bail) while he waits for all the other more important cases to get taken care of? Doing this would trample his rights.

Sorry but the floor mopper at McDonalds has the same rights as a multi-millionaire.