LOVE this post!!
- 35Tony0

Thank you ladies and gentlemen. Goodnight.

I find it more than just a tad bit amusing that many of the people advocating the trade of Patrick Kane, are the same people who found it unfathomable that The Hawks could ever get enough in return to justify trading Patrick Sharp 1-2 years ago.

"How could they possibly replace Sharp's scoring?"

I guess replacing Kane is not nearly as big of a problem
- Ogilthorpe2

Love Sharp. But would have had no problem sending him packing a couple of years ago. Would have got a much bigger return for him then. Kane should not be traded unless he refuses to clean his life up and of course is not convicted. Hope he did not do anything against the law. Doesn't matter though. He put the Hawks and the NHL in a bad spot this summer as well as himself. He just needs to be invisible anywhere except the ICE from this point forward. This can't happen again even if Kaner is cleared of no wrong doing.

I find it more than just a tad bit amusing that many of the people advocating the trade of Patrick Kane, are the same people who found it unfathomable that The Hawks could ever get enough in return to justify trading Patrick Sharp 1-2 years ago.

"How could they possibly replace Sharp's scoring?"

I guess replacing Kane is not nearly as big of a problem
- Ogilthorpe2

It would be a bigger gamble no doubt. Don't count me with the crowd you mention above. I said last year, Sharp, given his age and position was most replaceable.

That said he was still a contributor in the playoffs to the team's scoring and depth.

I find it more than just a tad bit amusing that many of the people advocating the trade of Patrick Kane, are the same people who found it unfathomable that The Hawks could ever get enough in return to justify trading Patrick Sharp 1-2 years ago.

"How could they possibly replace Sharp's scoring?"

I guess replacing Kane is not nearly as big of a problem
- Ogilthorpe2

Its not even the scoring so much as it is his ability to dominate possession and carry a "2nd line" all by himself, make it as good as most teams 1st lines. Which in turn causes matchup nightmares for the rest of the league. Even if we traded Kane for 2 players that scored more than Kane did combined, we would lose that secret weapon and that special advantage we have on most other teams.

It would be a bigger gamble no doubt. Don't count me with the crowd you mention above. I said last year, Sharp, given his age and position was most replaceable.

That said he was still a contributor in the playoffs to the team's scoring and depth.
- HawkintheD

Agree, but what would the players the Hawks would have got for Sharp last year or the year before contributed to the last 2 playoffs(Reg Season)? Guessing they would have also been younger and still be here for a few or many more years.

I know the point you're making is that the Hawks would still be a very good team without Kane providing they get good return on the trade. But, Staal and Skinner make a combined $13M+ so for it to work Cap wise for the Hawks the Canes would have to take on Bickell and Versteeg too. The trade would have to be something like Staal, Skinner and their best d-prospect for Kane, Bickell and Vesteeg.
- EbonyRaptor

yeah, we would have to send Bickell Versteeg , as well as picks/prospects. It might be a stretch, but Carolina wants to move Skinner, and Versteeg is a worth while player, and Mark Mcneill is a solid prospect

Welllll? Hmmm, don't think Kane is waving for that. Betty Ford maybe,but not Carolina.
- wonthecup10

People, if Mark Giongreco and John's sources are correct about the evidence in this case, the narrative on this story is not about alcohol rehab or trading Patrick Kane - the narrative is what he did to this woman.

The only punishment that will teach a lesson is 20-30 years in prison. Anything less than prison will not teach Kane any lesson, except that a person with money in this country can break the law anytime he wants.

Are we there yet....

Perhaps the designer of this years cup ring could add a rope motif to remind the brass that their hands were tied this summer. Dunno.

I think if you look at the lineup we just beat Tampa with in the Cup finals.....assuming they can stay healthy, find a way to move Bickell(mabye retain a bit of his salary) and a nice prospect(McNeil?) for a bag of pucks, and mainly assuming :

Kane is here for at least roughly the 2nd half of the regular season, hopefully more, if not all 82 games. Those are big question marks depending on many variables, but still its worthwhile to consider them especially if Kane apologies and seriously commits to being more mature while also possibly sitting out time to take serious steps towards looking at himself in the mirror, and to avoid the inevitable swarming of media attention the team would receive once the season got underway. This might assure he remains a Blackhawk for life, especially if the team continues to flourish in large part because Kaner is bein Kaner(which would bring forth an unstoppable wave of Kane worship to the point where if the Hawks ever traded him they'd be causing a massive riot among Hawks fans that will be 100 times worse to the Hawks precious "image" and "brand" that i keep seeing referenced, 100 times worse than whatever perceived distraction this off season rape allegation rumor saga has caused....which brings me back to:

The potential the Hawks have for this upcoming season if all those things go smoothly and are wrapped up in time:


line 1: Dano(replacing Sharp, unknown but massive potential to be great, fit right in with fellow Slovak Hossa, and possibly immediately replace Sharps pt totals) - Toews - Hossa

line 2: Panarin(replacing Saad, unknown but potential to be great if not at least fill in admirably and replace Saad's dazzling breakaway speed and world class finishing ability) - Anisimov(replacing Richards, and should be a slight upgrade) - Kane

line 3: Versteeg(plays the way he did in the finals and he's one of the NHL's better 3rd line wingers) - Teravainen(should be even better, might move up to the top 6 if he proves to be too good) - Garbutt/Tikhonov/Nordstrom/Baun/Hartman(collectively i think we have enough there to replace Vermette for that final 3rd line spot)

line 4: Desjardins - Kruger - Shaw <-----NHL's best 4th line AINEC

13th forward: Garbutt/Tikhonov/Nordstrom/Baun/Tropp/Hartman/endless supply of options...


D pairing 1: Keith - Hjalmarsson

D pairing 2: Daley(replacing Oduya, potential to learn from Q's system and use his speed to flourish on the attack. Definitely an upgrade on Oduya's offensive ability and also will improve the PP potential) - Seabrook

D pairing 3: TVR(if healthy he should be improved, looks like the real deal as a rookie in his first 20 NHL games, very unique trait to be so calm and smart in his own end with such little experience, and also looked very sound in little action in the finals against TBL. This guy looks like future 2nd pairing material for sure.) - Rundblad/cheap vet(can't possible be worse than Kimmo).

7th defenseman: Rundblad/cheap vet(cant possibly be worse than Kimmo).


Starting goalie: Crawford
Backup: Darling


That team will repeat.

I think if you look at the lineup we just beat Tampa with in the Cup finals.....assuming they can stay healthy, find a way to move Bickell(mabye retain a bit of his salary) and a nice prospect(McNeil?) for a bag of pucks, and mainly assuming :

Kane is here for at least roughly the 2nd half of the regular season, hopefully more, if not all 82 games. Those are big question marks depending on many variables, but still its worthwhile to consider them especially if Kane apologies and seriously commits to being more mature while also possibly sitting out time to take serious steps towards looking at himself in the mirror, and to avoid the inevitable swarming of media attention the team would receive once the season got underway. This might assure he remains a Blackhawk for life, especially if the team continues to flourish in large part because Kaner is bein Kaner(which would bring forth an unstoppable wave of Kane worship to the point where if the Hawks ever traded him they'd be causing a massive riot among Hawks fans that will be 100 times worse to the Hawks precious "image" and "brand" that i keep seeing referenced, 100 times worse than whatever perceived distraction this off season rape allegation rumor saga has caused....which brings me back to:

The potential the Hawks have for this upcoming season if all those things go smoothly and are wrapped up in time:


line 1: Dano(replacing Sharp, unknown but massive potential to be great, fit right in with fellow Slovak Hossa, and possibly immediately replace Sharps pt totals) - Toews - Hossa

line 2: Panarin(replacing Saad, unknown but potential to be great if not at least fill in admirably and replace Saad's dazzling breakaway speed and world class finishing ability) - Anisimov(replacing Richards, and should be a slight upgrade) - Kane

line 3: Versteeg(plays the way he did in the finals and he's one of the NHL's better 3rd line wingers) - Teravainen(should be even better, might move up to the top 6 if he proves to be too good) - Garbutt/Tikhonov/Nordstrom/Baun/Hartman(collectively i think we have enough there to replace Vermette for that final 3rd line spot)

line 4: Desjardins - Kruger - Shaw <-----NHL's best 4th line AINEC

13th forward: Garbutt/Tikhonov/Nordstrom/Baun/Tropp/Hartman/endless supply of options...


D pairing 1: Keith - Hjalmarsson

D pairing 2: Daley(replacing Oduya, potential to learn from Q's system and use his speed to flourish on the attack. Definitely an upgrade on Oduya's offensive ability and also will improve the PP potential) - Seabrook

D pairing 3: TVR(if healthy he should be improved, looks like the real deal as a rookie in his first 20 NHL games, very unique trait to be so calm and smart in his own end with such little experience, and also looked very sound in little action in the finals against TBL. This guy looks like future 2nd pairing material for sure.) - Rundblad/cheap vet(can't possible be worse than Kimmo).

7th defenseman: Rundblad/cheap vet(cant possibly be worse than Kimmo).


Starting goalie: Crawford
Backup: Darling


That team will repeat.
- SimpleJack

Pollyanna

I give Stan the benefit of the doubt most of the time, but I gave a hard time hopping on board with that trade. I hope it works out, but I'm extremely skeptical.
- Ogilthorpe2

Less than thrilled with this deal as well...

Garbutt some skill and finish which is offset by his suspension history. Daley bad in his own end but does he become a different player in the Hawks system. As been discussed Stan held his cards too long on Sharp and should have moved him at the draft or last summer. Really didn't like the fact they gave up Johns...as well as Oduya.

Personally I wanted him (Sharp) moved last summer along with Bickell to free up space and have them sign Stralman who looked pretty darn good with Tampa in the Finals...then you could let Oduya walk this offseason...right now they definitely need another vet dman by the TDL...maybe Soupy?

Still a lot to play out here with camp two weeks out...

People, if Mark Giongreco and John's sources are correct about the evidence in this case, the narrative on this story is not about alcohol rehab or trading Patrick Kane - the narrative is what he did to this woman.

The only punishment that will teach a lesson is 20-30 years in prison. Anything less than prison will not teach Kane any lesson, except that a person with money in this country can break the law anytime he wants.
- dahawks8819

My biggest fear and disappointment would be Kane being guilty of sexual assault for a whole host of reasons that first and foremost have nothing to do with hockey. That said, we don't know that what the folks making these pronouncements of "slam dunk" are hearing is true or that it is recent or that it actually reflects all of the evidence in the case - nor do any of us know that evidence either. And this I do know: evidence can be spun either way by a good prosecutoror or defense attorney. In short I am making no judgements at this point. But as I said earlier in this thread - if he's guilty get rid of him as best you can, as qickly as you can and move on. I imagine that the powers that be are planning for all contingencies here.

I'm with those of you up thread who are just tired of all this and want to move on one way or another.

My biggest fear and disappointment would be Kane being guilty of sexual assault for a whole host of reasons that first and foremost have nothing to do with hockey. That said, we don't know that what the folks making these pronouncements of "slam dunk" are hearing is true or that it is recent or that it actually reflects all of the evidence in the case - nor do any of us know that evidence either. And this I do know: evidence can be spun either way by a good prosecutoror or defense attorney. In short I am making no judgements at this point. But as I said earlier in this thread - if he's guilty get rid of him as best you can, as qickly as you can and move on. I imagine that the powers that be are planning for all contingencies here.

I'm with those of you up thread who are just tired of all this and want to move on one way or another.
- Marlowe

Imagine how the hawks brass feels... We're just commenting on it. Those guys are following it 24/7 and some of those guys jobs are probably on the line depending on how the hawks perform...

Won't be surprised if they are tired of Kane's antics and distraction...

My biggest fear and disappointment would be Kane being guilty of sexual assault for a whole host of reasons that first and foremost have nothing to do with hockey. That said, we don't know that what the folks making these pronouncements of "slam dunk" are hearing is true or that it is recent or that it actually reflects all of the evidence in the case - nor do any of us know that evidence either. And this I do know: evidence can be spun either way by a good prosecutoror or defense attorney. In short I am making no judgements at this point. But as I said earlier in this thread - if he's guilty get rid of him as best you can, as qickly as you can and move on. I imagine that the powers that be are planning for all contingencies here.

I'm with those of you up thread who are just tired of all this and want to move on one way or another.
- Marlowe

Imagine how the hawks brass feels... We're just commenting on it. Those guys are following it 24/7 and some of those guys jobs are probably on the line depending on how the hawks perform...

Won't be surprised if they are tired of Kane's antics and distraction...

Imagine how the hawks brass feels... We're just commenting on it. Those guys are following it 24/7 and some of those guys jobs are probably on the line depending on how the hawks perform...

Won't be surprised if they are tired of Kane's antics and distraction...
- kaptaan

Was thinking the same thing!

Also swirling around in my brain is the hope that all of the piling on - no EA sports cover, no junior team honors (team name Kane removed), trade rumors, no hockey in public and likely a suspension from NHL hockey - public and private - is finally having a good effect on Kane so he can grow as a person (wasn't exactly sure how to put this). But this could be a chance for him to learn something - whether he stays with the Hawks or not. Hope he learns from this and doesn't blame everyone else but himself for his current predicament.

Over/under:

Patrick Kane, 2015/6 All-Star


- savvyone-1

Prison team All-Star, over!

Was thinking the same thing!

Also swirling around in my brain is the hope that all of the piling on - no EA sports cover, no junior team honors (team name Kane removed), trade rumors, no hockey in public and likely a suspension from NHL hockey - public and private - is finally having a good effect on Kane so he can grow as a person (wasn't exactly sure how to put this). But this could be a chance for him to learn something - whether he stays with the Hawks or not. Hope he learns from this and doesn't blame everyone else but himself for his current predicament.
- Marlowe

There is a much better chance of learning/growing if he has people around him that do push him to reflect on what is happening and why. Reports about his family and close friends suggest this might not be the case

There is a much better chance of learning/growing if he has people around him that do push him to reflect on what is happening and why. Repoarts about his family and close friends suggest this might not be the case
- Canada Cup

Sad that. I have a now ex-brother in law who is an alcoholic but one who's never really hit bottom - he's a corporate VP. He has had some pretty big bumps in the road though and every one of those self imposed bumps have been blamed on everyone and everything but himself. They moved so many times over the course of the marriage that people thought they were military. But every move was because things were going to be better in the next place. He couldn't look inside himself and his family (not my sister ultimately) were like what you and others are saying surround Kane - never my ex-bro in law's fault or anything wrong with him. Hoping for better for Mr Kane.

Prison team All-Star, over!
- powerenforcer

Nice, PE!
If I had time, I'd photoshop some black/white stripes on one of the pics of #88 with the post-season mullet.

Come to think of it, should it just be Orange?
You know orange is the new black/white stripes.

Nice, PE!
If I had time, I'd photoshop some black/white stripes on one of the pics of #88 with the post-season mullet.

Come to think of it, should it just be Orange?
You know orange is the new black/white stripes.

- savvyone-1

Helpful Factoid of the Day: Sometimes it's a dull blue gray. (Did a clinical program in a max security prison in law school.)

Helpful Factoid of the Day: Sometimes it's a dull blue gray. (Did a clinical program in a max security prison in law school.)
- Marlowe

It's good to have options Marlowe.
Do you think they'll give him a choice of colors -- solid or stripes???


Footnote: cannot believe that is all we've been talking about for the past several weeks. Just want a decision. Any decision would be welcome so everyone can move forward. This is just a lingering, agonizing wait.

It's good to have options Marlowe.
Do you think they'll give him a choice of colors -- solid or stripes???


Footnote: cannot believe that is all we've been talking about for the past several weeks. Just want a decision. Any decision would be welcome so everyone can move forward. This is just a lingering, agonizing wait.

- savvyone-1

So agree! Choices in apparel are a good thing as long as one wears the clothes and not the other way around (as Coco Chanel used to say)! Like him in stripes - it's evocative of the Blackhawks' sweater. (So we already know he looks pretty good in black and white stripes -- and now I'm just sad again.)

Also very much agree with the let's resolve this situation already sentiment.

It's good to have options Marlowe.
Do you think they'll give him a choice of colors -- solid or stripes???


Footnote: cannot believe that is all we've been talking about for the past several weeks. Just want a decision. Any decision would be welcome so everyone can move forward. This is just a lingering, agonizing wait.

- savvyone-1

How do you think the front office feels? For us this is a serious problem with our primary source of entertainment. But for Stan and crew, this is an $84 million problem that they chose to take a chance on. Now he's in trouble and so are they. I can't imagine they keep him unless he is fully exonerated, which seems less likely.

It's good to have options Marlowe.
Do you think they'll give him a choice of colors -- solid or stripes???


Footnote: cannot believe that is all we've been talking about for the past several weeks. Just want a decision. Any decision would be welcome so everyone can move forward. This is just a lingering, agonizing wait.

- savvyone-1

so the legal system should make a hasty decision to ease your angst?