That's an oxymoron. I don't dislike James Tanner as much as many do, but he is wildly inconsistent in how he applies analytics.
- jfkst1

He is the epitome of everything I hate about the analytics movement in the NHL.

He is essentially the Joffrey Lannister of Hockeybuzz.

He is the epitome of everything I hate about the analytics movement in the NHL.

He is essentially the Joffrey Lannister of Hockeybuzz.
- rangerdanger94

He is the epitome of everything I hate about the analytics movement in the NHL.

He is essentially the Joffrey Lannister of Hockeybuzz.
- rangerdanger94

I'd say the comparison in incompetence is apt.

Ty, the Boston blogger has his Bruins all time team. I think ours would destroy the Boston one to be honest. Who's on yours? Mine is:
Line 1
Crosby Lemieux Jagr
Coffey Letang
Line 2
Recchi Malkin K. Stevens
L. Murphy Zubov
Line 3
Tocchet Francis Kessel
Gonchar U. Samuelson
Line 4
A. Kovalev Straka Kunitz
Goalies- Barasso and the 2007-2009 Fleury

Please explain?
- Aussiepenguin

http://www.mirror.co.uk/n...-close-up-footage-6355925

Ty, the Boston blogger has his Bruins all time team. I think ours would destroy the Boston one to be honest. Who's on yours? Mine is:
Line 1
Crosby Lemieux Jagr
Coffey Letang
Line 2
Recchi Malkin K. Stevens
L. Murphy Zubov
Line 3
Tocchet Francis Kessel
Gonchar U. Samuelson
Line 4
A. Kovalev Straka Kunitz
Goalies- Barasso and the 2007-2009 Fleury
- Dcoms

i feel like that first like would just never not have the puck

i feel like that first like would just never not have the puck
- stayinthefnnet

All 4 lines would always have the puck. Only the modern era counts(1980-current) so there is not another team that comes close except maybe the Oilers and the Islanders.

Ty, the Boston blogger has his Bruins all time team. I think ours would destroy the Boston one to be honest. Who's on yours? Mine is:
Line 1
Crosby Lemieux Jagr
Coffey Letang
Line 2
Recchi Malkin K. Stevens
L. Murphy Zubov
Line 3
Tocchet Francis Kessel
Gonchar U. Samuelson
Line 4
A. Kovalev Straka Kunitz
Goalies- Barasso and the 2007-2009 Fleury
- Dcoms

Kunitz and Kovalez flip wings

Ty, the Boston blogger has his Bruins all time team. I think ours would destroy the Boston one to be honest. Who's on yours? Mine is:
Line 1
Crosby Lemieux Jagr
Coffey Letang
Line 2
Recchi Malkin K. Stevens
L. Murphy Zubov
Line 3
Tocchet Francis Kessel
Gonchar U. Samuelson
Line 4
A. Kovalev Straka Kunitz
Goalies- Barasso and the 2007-2009 Fleury
- Dcoms

no love for Rico Fata?

All 4 lines would always have the puck. Only the modern era counts(1980-current) so there is not another team that comes close except maybe the Oilers and the Islanders.
- Dcoms

Rangers could come close on paper considering all the talent that has come here to die the last few decades. Gretzky, Lindros, Jagr, Bure, Kovalev, Gaborik, Nash, etc.

Graves - Gretzky - Jagr
MSL - Messier - Bure
Nash - Lindros - Gaborik
Shanahan - Robitaille - Kovalev

Leetch - Zubov
McDonagh - Greschner
Staal - Beukeboom

Lundqvist
Richter

I've been a fan for too short of a time to really give a good Rangers lineup but this is what I've got.

Rangers could come close on paper considering all the talent that has come here to die the last few decades. Gretzky, Lindros, Jagr, Bure, Kovalev, Gaborik, Nash, etc.
- rangerdanger94

Yeah but it's the version of that player that played for your team. You don't get 1985 Gretzky you get old and almost done Gretzky. I think only Gaborik and Nash would have even a chance of making the Rags all time team and the Rags all time team is not too great, save for the early 90's cup team

Graves - Gretzky - Jagr
MSL - Messier - Bure
Nash - Lindros - Gaborik
Shanahan - Robitaille - Kovalev

Leetch - Zubov
McDonagh - Greschner
Staal - Beukeboom

Lundqvist
Richter

I've been a fan for too short of a time to really give a good Rangers lineup but this is what I've got.
- rangerdanger94

good lineup there, would be more interesting to have an all time draft team of guys actually drafted by the team.

Graves - Gretzky - Jagr
MSL - Messier - Bure
Nash - Lindros - Gaborik
Shanahan - Robitaille - Kovalev

Leetch - Zubov
McDonagh - Greschner
Staal - Beukeboom

Lundqvist
Richter

I've been a fan for too short of a time to really give a good Rangers lineup but this is what I've got.
- rangerdanger94

Most of these guys were pretty much finished by the time they played for the Rangers.

My only concern is that there is only so much room in front of the net. Both plot and horny cant be there. So if they are on the same line are you throwing one guy off his game by making him change? I'm sure it can be fixed, but its just a case of using everyone to their best abilities. Its not a big thing. just something to watch.
- Zac_O

I agree. I think the best-constructed lines have a play-making center, a sniper on the wing, and the other winger as a power forward who spends a lot of time in front of the net for screens, tips/deflections, and rebounds.

For this reason, I don't want to see any combination of Kunitz, Horny, and Plot on the same line. I don't want players playing a role that doesn't maximize their skillset or playing on their lesser side. For all of the forward depth, this can easily be avoided.

Ty, the Boston blogger has his Bruins all time team. I think ours would destroy the Boston one to be honest. Who's on yours? Mine is:
Line 1
Crosby Lemieux Jagr
Coffey Letang
Line 2
Recchi Malkin K. Stevens
L. Murphy Zubov
Line 3
Tocchet Francis Kessel
Gonchar U. Samuelson
Line 4
A. Kovalev Straka Kunitz
Goalies- Barasso and the 2007-2009 Fleury
- Dcoms

Take Stevens off the Line 2, move Recchi to the right side, and put Luc Robitaille on the left wing.

Also, remove Kunitz and add Joey Mullen on Line 4.

I agree. I think the best-constructed lines have a play-making center, a sniper on the wing, and the other winger as a power forward who spends a lot of time in front of the net for screens, tips/deflections, and rebounds.

For this reason, I don't want to see any combination of Kunitz, Horny, and Plot on the same line. I don't want players playing a role that doesn't maximize their skillset or playing on their lesser side. For all of the forward depth, this can easily be avoided.
- thevelvetfog1

It's not a video game (anyone else remember the skinny-fat-medium player builds from NES Ice Hockey?). I could understand the concern on the PP where players have set roles in the offensive zone, but I don't anticipate an issue with capable players playing together even if their skill sets overlap.

As for the defense, I think it is a huge problem and will prevent the Pens from winning a Cup. You can't just replace Martin, Ehrhoff, and Despres with Lovejoy and a couple of untested / unproven rookies and hope for the best. Scuderi will be even worse so if he sees any ice time it will be like Adams but in a much more critical position. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt that I am.

Graves - Gretzky - Jagr
MSL - Messier - Bure
Nash - Lindros - Gaborik
Shanahan - Robitaille - Kovalev

Leetch - Zubov
McDonagh - Greschner
Staal - Beukeboom

Lundqvist
Richter

I've been a fan for too short of a time to really give a good Rangers lineup but this is what I've got.
- rangerdanger94

No Girardi?

Sorry I'll stop.

Yeah but it's the version of that player that played for your team. You don't get 1985 Gretzky you get old and almost done Gretzky. I think only Gaborik and Nash would have even a chance of making the Rags all time team and the Rags all time team is not too great, save for the early 90's cup team
- Dcoms

You sure you want to ice an 11 man roster then, considering Kessel has yet to play for your team?

even though we choked that year, you could probably put the 1993 Penguins as a whole up against a lot of other team's all time teams and the 93 Penguins would still probably win.

that team was stacked.

You sure you want to ice an 11 man roster then, considering Kessel has yet to play for your team?
- rangerdanger94

I'd rather have Joe Mullen there anyway.

It's not a video game (anyone else remember the skinny-fat-medium player builds from NES Ice Hockey?). I could understand the concern on the PP where players have set roles in the offensive zone, but I don't anticipate an issue with capable players playing together even if their skill sets overlap.
- jfkst1

Well, like Zac said, there is only so much room in front of the net. I am of the opinion that every line needs a guy whose role it is to camp out in front of the net (and similarly ever defensive pairing needs a guy who can clear the front of the net). With what is allowed in today's NHL, the days of tic-tac-toe passing leading to goals are all but over. Not to mention that defenses and goalies are too good to get beaten by these kinds of plays that the Pens always seem to be trying to set up. Instead, goals are increasingly being scored by screens, tips, and rebounds. Having defined roles means there is no question or confusion as to where everyone should be. And if you have two guys in front of the net it means you don't have anyone in the slot or faceoff circle, not to mention you have two forwards deep which can lead to counter attacks the other way.

Well, like Zac said, there is only so much room in front of the net. I am of the opinion that every line needs a guy whose role it is to camp out in front of the net (and similarly ever defensive pairing needs a guy who can clear the front of the net). With what is allowed in today's NHL, the days of tic-tac-toe passing leading to goals are all but over. Not to mention that defenses and goalies are too good to get beaten by these kinds of plays that the Pens always seem to be trying to set up. Instead, goals are increasingly being scored by screens, tips, and rebounds. Having defined roles means there is no question or confusion as to where everyone should be. And if you have two guys in front of the net it means you don't have anyone in the slot or faceoff circle, not to mention you have two forwards deep which can lead to counter attacks the other way.
- thevelvetfog1

The only defined roles they are going to have is LW and RW. Everything else is going to be fluid at ES.

The only defined roles they are going to have is LW and RW. Everything else is going to be fluid.
- jfkst1

Thats not true though. Every player has a role they are good at and any good coach will use them to the best of their abilities. You don't just send them out there and say "do whatever you want, I don't care" You pair them with people who can help them and compliment their abilities. This is why Neal was with Geno instead of Sid. Neal was the best winger on the pens but they didn't put him on the top line because his abilities were more suited for the line with Geno. There will always be role players on every team. Some roles will fade into not being important like a goon. Others are absolutely needed like a big bodied guy who can hold his ground when screening the goalie. If you have to much of the same thing it will cause it will have people on the same team working against each other by accident.