Who was he playing with most of the year? hmmm, that's right, he had to cover a whole lot of ice.
- LeafMan

Which he couldn't do, because he lacks footspeed.

And then he had hernia surgery.

Let's see how he looks in camp.

I want him top pairing but having Phaneuf next to him will not help. They cannot and should not be paired together.
- LeafMan

oh hell no.. you dont want phaneuf babysitting.. you want him showcased.. so they can move him

Which he couldn't do, because he lacks footspeed.

And then he had hernia surgery.

Let's see how he looks in camp.
- Atomic Wedgie

If you can trade him for assets, sure.

I want to see Percy, Granberg or Loov get a chance this year.

I want him top pairing but having Phaneuf next to him will not help. They cannot and should not be paired together.
- LeafMan

I vehemently disagree with this

They can and will play together, and both will do well

Whose crystal ball will prove superior?

If you can trade him for assets, sure.

I want to see Percy, Granberg or Loov get a chance this year.
- LeafMan

Problem with AHL graduates is they end up with Phaneuf by default, then everyone blames him for being awful.

I vehemently disagree with this

They can and will play together, and both will do well

Whose crystal ball will prove superior?
- TheThrill

well phaneuf has proven time and time again he sucks so i am betting on LM

i cannot wait til phaneuf is gone.. then all this stupid defending of him can stop

I vehemently disagree with this

They can and will play together, and both will do well

Whose crystal ball will prove superior?
- TheThrill

All you are doing by this is setting Rielly back, he needs to be the top guy on the pairing, with Phaneuf, he can't be that guy, it won't work to his benefit, imo.

well phaneuf has proven time and time again he sucks so i am betting on LM
- Dozzer

has he now?

and who has he played with that was any good?

That's right! His best partner was Franson and you know as well as I do that he's garbage

All you are doing by this is setting Rielly back, he needs to be the top guy on the pairing, with Phaneuf, he can't be that guy, it won't work to his benefit, imo.
- LeafMan

their argument would have had tavares starting on the third line if the leafs had drafted him

i cannot wait til phaneuf is gone.. then all this stupid defending of him can stop
- Dozzer

I think the blasting of Dion is what is stupid.

Opinions like bumholes, they are

The leafs best D will be (in order)

Gardiner
Rielly
who cares

Once the Carlyle stink if completely off Gardiner, he will smell better and shine

has he now?

and who has he played with that was any good?

That's right! His best partner was Franson and you know as well as I do that he's garbage
- TheThrill

weak argument

he is paid to be the guy who makes people better.. not to need someone to make him look good

seriously.. i laugh at that particular argument its so weak

their argument would have had tavares starting on the third line if the leafs had drafted him
- Dozzer

It's their opinion and it's fine but I see no benefit in Rielly's development to be paired with Phaneuf, none.

I think the blasting of Dion is what is stupid.

Opinions like bumholes, they are
- TheThrill

if dion was sooooo good.. why did calgary move him for next to nothing?

queue the absurd conspiracy theories

their argument would have had tavares starting on the third line if the leafs had drafted him
- Dozzer

Can I see the logical deconstruction of this statement?

For real, I don't follow.

Tavares would have been on 1st line by default, because the Leafs roster stunk (and still does)

weak argument

he is paid to be the guy who makes people better.. not to need someone to make him look good

seriously.. i laugh at that particular argument its so weak
- Dozzer

That's amazing.

You laugh at a weak argument while providing one just as, if not weaker.

Paid to make people better? That's a thing now?

Can I see the logical deconstruction of this statement?

For real, I don't follow.

Tavares would have been on 1st line by default, because the Leafs roster stunk (and still does)
- TheThrill

as does the leafs D

so apply it to Rielly

If you can trade him for assets, sure.

I want to see Percy, Granberg or Loov get a chance this year.
- LeafMan

With every passing day, I think the possibility of young kids getting cups of coffee with the Leafs this year is dwindling.

You look at the off-season moves - one year deals to plug holes, signing journeymen to $1 contracts.

P.A. Parenteau? Why?

I don't hate the Mattias signing.

But bringing back Winnick?

Matt Hunwick?

I think the Leafs are the Leafs, and the Marlies are the Marlies, and never the 'twain shall meet.

The leafs best D will be (in order)

Gardiner
Rielly
who cares

Once the Carlyle stink if completely off Gardiner, he will smell better and shine
- senstroll

I really hope so. But it's hard to see that at this point

That's amazing.

You laugh at a weak argument while providing one just as, if not weaker.

Paid to make people better? That's a thing now?
- TheThrill

name one other number one D in the league who is effective that needs a all star partner to be good.. name one.

not one who has one.. one who needs one

With every passing day, I think the possibility of young kids getting cups of coffee with the Leafs this year is dwindling.

You look at the off-season moves - one year deals to plug holes, signing journeymen to $1 contracts.

P.A. Parenteau? Why?

I don't hate the Mattias signing.

But bringing back Winnick?

Matt Hunwick?

I think the Leafs are the Leafs, and the Marlies are the Marlies, and never the 'twain shall meet.
- Atomic Wedgie

But this Percy's third year as well as Granberg, they should be ready for some games or a extended look.

i cannot wait til Larry Murphy is gone.. then all this stupid defending of him can stop
- Dozzer

Yep.

as does the leafs D

so apply it to Rielly
- Dozzer

If I apply it to Rielly, then that makes him de facto top pair, not 3rd pair?

Come on man, 3pm brick wall here. I am legitimately confused

name one other number one D in the league who is effective that needs a all star partner to be good.. name one.

not one who has one.. one who needs one
- Dozzer

Whoa, whoa, whoa

Nobody said Dion was a number 1.

I just don't think he's this god awful pylon that everyone else does