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This thing may get quiet for a while, Kane will come back, maybe play for a while and one morning we'll all wake up and find out he's been dealt somewhere.
- John Jaeckel

We can only hope things go that smoothly, Good chance this will drag out for quite awhile and Kane will be forced to remain a Hawk either playing or not playing with the uncertainty continuing.

Your post read as if cap space was the main objective.

That cannot be the objective. The objective has to be salvaging a return for the #1 pick Kane was.... Cap space is good but not a primary objective here. Not under a cap system. You lose a #1 pick then you better replace it. Again, if it is about cap space only then you terminate his contract with the intent to use the cap for a Kopitar or Stamkos level free agent. Anything less is a step back.

Ideally, you move him for a package including HIGH picks and/or top prospects along with space and use the space for another elite player in free agency. If the objective becomes cap space only then we are looking at a worst case scenario.
- tredbrta

I am in agreement with you, I guess I just said it differently.

Bolland and Campbell were expendable complementary pieces. Patrick Kane is a franchise player and future Hall of Famer...is that too difficult for you to see all the way up there on your high horse??
- EnzoD

Thanks for answering my question.

So if Toews, Keith and Hoss were also morons and couldn't keep their names out of the papers it would be ok. If it were anyone else they could go because they are complenetary pieces. Got it!

Your post read as if cap space was the main objective.

That cannot be the objective. The objective has to be salvaging a return for the #1 pick Kane was.... Cap space is good but not a primary objective here. Not under a cap system. You lose a #1 pick then you better replace it. Again, if it is about cap space only then you terminate his contract with the intent to use the cap for a Kopitar or Stamkos level free agent. Anything less is a step back.

Ideally, you move him for a package including HIGH picks and/or top prospects along with space and use the space for another elite player in free agency. If the objective becomes cap space only then we are looking at a worst case scenario.
- tredbrta

This basically.

Or he gets cleared, completes rehab, the Hawks repeat and you see what things look like next summer.

about 21 days to camp....

still over the cap
kruger unsigned
bickell still here
craw a cap nightmare
saad gone
#88?? who the hell knows
hawks and players on media lockdown

ought to be the most intrigueing and fascinating camps in hawks history..

the dam has to break at some point
- bogiedoc

This!
- HawkintheD

I'm not really religious but these are all interesting things to hope and pray for.

Your statement says it all really. Bolland and Campbell were off loaded due to the Cap not becasue they were repeatedly shaming themselves and the team in the press...if Kane does in fact end up being traded. If it was Dezy, Shaw or Krugs and this was the latest apparent transgression in a formidable line of them would you care as much? Just curious.

I think what's sad is you hoping to stick it to anyone who's thoughts vary from yours like what any of us say here really matters.

The Hawks will make their decision independent of what any of us think. In the meantime, I'll support the guys who apparently get it...like 2, 4, 7, 11, 16, 19, 33, 50, 57, 65, 86...ok 5 too.

Thanks for answering my question.

So if Toews, Keith and Hoss were also morons and couldn't keep their names out of the papers it would be ok. If it were anyone else they could go because they are complenetary pieces. Got it!
- HawkintheD

He has not been charged with a crime! For all his "headlines" and "extracurriculars" he's still a better hockey player than 99.9% of people on this Earth. Tell me again how "bad" Kane's image will be when he is cleared of any wrongdoing and goes back to his PPG pace? This will be a smear on his legacy, no doubt, but this is a results-based business and not only does Kane put points on the board but he puts behinds in the seats and in his #88 jersey. Time is a funny thing and while everyone remembers Kobe and BigBen's sexual assault cases, it doesnt stop people from going to Lakers games and buying Kobe's jersey. Why is that?? BECAUSE HE DIDNT COMMIT A CRIME IN THE EYES OF THE LAW!!! And yes, if Toews Keith and Hossa never committed a crime, they would be more than welcome on the Blackhawks. How is this logic hard to comprehend?

He has not been charged with a crime! For all his "headlines" and "extracurriculars" he's still a better hockey player than 99.9% of people on this Earth. Tell me again how "bad" Kane's image will be when he is cleared of any wrongdoing and goes back to his PPG pace? This will be a smear on his legacy, no doubt, but this is a results-based business and not only does Kane put points on the board but he puts behinds in the seats and in his #88 jersey. Time is a funny thing and while everyone remembers Kobe and BigBen's sexual assault cases, it doesnt stop people from going to Lakers games and buying Kobe's jersey. Why is that?? BECAUSE HE DIDNT COMMIT A CRIME IN THE EYES OF THE LAW!!! And yes, if Toews Keith and Hossa never committed a crime, they would be more than welcome on the Blackhawks. How is this logic hard to comprehend?
- EnzoD

The part of him not being charged with the crime isn't hard to comprehend. If he never is charged and convicted it may mean he is innocent of wrongdoing in the eyes of the law.

Unfortunately for you that is not all that matters and may not be the ultimate deciding factor as to whether he's moved or not.

Whether he's here or not I'll still be rooting for the team but I can certainly understand as team owners if Hawk management has had enough. If you or I owned a team I think you would get that it would be a harder decision than the one you present.

Like I said it isn't up to me or you. Hopefully this logic isn't hard to comprehend.

edit - I hope you'd support 2, 19 and 81 if they never committed a crime.

- DMChi2010

I just noticed much like at times during the season 29 is invisible in my post too.

This basically.

Or he gets cleared, completes rehab, the Hawks repeat and you see what things look like next summer.
- fattybeef

IMO, this would be the ideal scenario. If this settles and he can be back on the ice this year the Hawks should let him play. The publicity will take a back seat to his play if he is near the top of the league in scoring. He will never completely live this down but that should net them a better return if he is traded.

Without Patrick Kane, the Blackhawks would have 0 cups in last 6 years instead of 3.
If he's not guilty, this trade talk is absolute ludicrous.

This basically.

Or he gets cleared, completes rehab, the Hawks repeat and you see what things look like next summer.
- fattybeef

Not sure what you mean by this.

I don't think there's been any admission, or even suggestion, of Kane having an alcohol abuse problem for which he would enter the NHL's program.

Am I missing something here?

Without Patrick Kane, the Blackhawks would have 0 cups in last 6 years instead of 3.
If he's not guilty, this trade talk is absolute ludicrous.


- eyewtkas

Without Patrick Kane, the Blackhawks would have 0 cups in last 6 years instead of 3.
If he's not guilty, this trade talk is absolute ludicrous.


- eyewtkas

I do agree, I do not want to see Kane traded.. But remember, this is a business.

Without Patrick Kane, the Blackhawks would have 0 cups in last 6 years instead of 3.
If he's not guilty, this trade talk is absolute ludicrous.


- eyewtkas

Yeah but who cares about the actual sport itself right? The business will improve if we just trade him and become a worse hockey team, because we'll have a better group of people off camera will a higher probability of not potentially getting into future trouble.

I wish I had that much sway! I would at least try to get as much as you can for him if you go down that path. I would look and hope for 2-3 years down the road if I could... Baring indictment!
- moots

Sorry, I was just trying to be funny. To your previous point, we just don't know what happened at Kane's house that night and we don't know yet what is going to happen with him and his hockey career.

I do agree, I do not want to see Kane traded.. But remember, this is a business.
- 93Joe

Yes, a business that was revived by their two superstars - Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane. They wouldn't be where they are right now without him, people cannot forget that part.

Do we want more cups or is three enough and now we just want to preserve the image of the business?

Without Patrick Kane, the Blackhawks would have 0 cups in last 6 years instead of 3.
If he's not guilty, this trade talk is absolute ludicrous.


- eyewtkas

Yes. But the Hawks did have him...and they have won three Cups. So unless you and Sherman can go back in the Way Back Machine your hypothetical is just as ludicrous.

Yes he helped them win. Ultimately the FO may decide to trade him. Not our call but why get mad at a bunch of posters who are speculating what may or may not happen?

Yeah but who cares about the actual sport itself right? The business will improve if we just trade him and become a worse hockey team, because we'll have a better group of people off camera will a higher probability of not potentially getting into future trouble.
- SimpleJack

Until an actual hockey trade is made and you know or can assess what the Hawks get for Kane if a trade is made how do you know that?

The precedent has been stated and the Oliers did indeed win without the Great One. Different cast of characters lined up after 99 and 88 but Messier and crew did win without Wayne...I wouldn't be shocked if Toews was abel without Kane.

I think that is a real stretch to state "Immaturity / lack of discipline and alcohol abuse are probably the major reasons " Other than 2011/12 when he scored "only" 66 points in 82 games, all his other seasons have been very good. The main reason he hasn't hit 88 points again is because of injuries and the lockout season. He scored 55 points in 47 games in the lockout season which is a better ppg than his 88 point year. He scored 64 points in 61 games before he got his collar bone broken. And even the year in between he scored 69 points in 69 games - hardly a decline of play on the ice due to the reasons you cited. Even in his one "down" year where he scored only 66 points in 82 games - he had an injured wrist that was made worse when Q tried him at center for a bunch of games.

I'm not debating that he's immature and has an alcohol problem - but I don't believe it has affected his play on the ice one iota.
- EbonyRaptor

Not to mention dead-weight centers and a team-wide defense-first mentality.

It's telling that Kane was pretty much a PPG this year with Brad Richards at center, though. I had high hopes for Kane-Anisimov this year...

Nah, his only off year was when he had wrist surgery and had to play center. He also led the team at the end of the year and single handedly backed them into the playoffs with Toews out with brain pain.

Patrick Kane is so freaking good at hockey that he can be a ppg player with old decrepit pieces like what Zues was and then what Richards was for most of the season. It is truly incredible how he elevates the play of the players around him and still finds ways to score.

To maintain the level of production he has away from Toews and Sharp is a tremendous accomplishment.
- fattybeef

I echoed similar earlier...Here are the hockey facts-

Kane has improved every season and in the last 3 years has shown he can score on his own when he needs to-can create space for a vastly improved shot and continues to score important goals at the most crucial times.

Kane would have been in the hunt for the scoring title if not injured and plays with multiple linemates who are usually not top line caliber players on this club.

In some ways I don't know if Kane has hit his hockey ceiling...

If we are talking hockey, Kane is the best playmaker ever in Blackhawks history and is a 1st Ballot HOF player right now if only hockey accomplishments are considered.

That said, if traded or gone, life will go on because one player isn't bigger than the team. Bobby Hull wasn't and neither is Patrick Kane.

Until an actual hockey trade is made and you know or can assess what the Hawks get for Kane if a trade is made how do you know that?

The precedent has been stated and the Oliers did indeed win without the Great One. Different cast of characters lined up after 99 and 88 but Messier and crew did win without Wayne...I wouldn't be shocked if Toews was abel without Kane.
- HawkintheD

Is this a biblical reference?

Not to mention dead-weight centers and a team-wide defense-first mentality.

It's telling that Kane was pretty much a PPG this year with Brad Richards at center, though. I had high hopes for Kane-Anisimov this year...
- darklighter

I did too. If there's no Kane indefinitely or just for a spell hopefully Dano and Anismov continue to show some chem.

Is this a biblical reference?
- DMChi2010

Ham handed but yes, a play on words. Was just joking.

I echoed similar earlier...Here are the hockey facts-

Kane has improved every season and in the last 3 years has shown he can score on his own when he needs to-can create space for a vastly improved shot and continues to score important goals at the most crucial times.

Kane would have been in the hunt for the scoring title if not injured and plays with multiple linemates who are usually not top line caliber players on this club.

In some ways I don't know if Kane has hit his hockey ceiling...

If we are talking hockey, Kane is the best playmaker ever in Blackhawks history and is a 1st Ballot HOF player right now if only hockey accomplishments are considered.

That said, if traded or gone, life will go on because one player isn't bigger than the team. Bobby Hull wasn't and neither is Patrick Kane.
- Al

He is also the best pure passer in the NHL and often to forwards who don't receive passes that well.