The holier than thou crowd have spoken, Get the Drunk Rapist out of town. The sooner the better. Can't tarnish McD's classy brand. Funny how most whine about all these Kane transgressions... The cabbie insident was a joke, did he put the guy in the hospital or just slap him up side the head a few times like a young idiot.. Was it him or was it his cousin. A drunk weekend in Wisconsin. Any charges from the police that weekend... NO. And it didn't stop them from signing him to a giant long term deal. Now this charge! Is it true? We don't know. Did she say NO in the middle of the act, we don't know. But it's to much drama so get rid of him. Screw Kane, he ruined our summer! He's been a little punk for years... No waiting to see if Parerin or Dano can somehow take his place. Trade him now..... NOOOOO, don't make rash decisions ... You have to back him until there is an indictment, if there even is one. Then you saints can throw him to the wolves....because for all we know he went home with a woman who whispered in his ear all night F*ck me silly, until he bit her shoulder and then she might have said stop... Did he, we don't know!!!
- moots

I don't really think it's all that rash to want better behavior from a guy being paid to be an ambassador of the team and sport in addition to playing hockey.

When you're piece of the pie is almost 15% of the team's salary cap and you're being paid $10.5 mil, like it or not, public personnae is definitely a part of it.

I couldn't care less if Kane was a guy who occasionally went on a legendary bender and acted like an idiot...but the Hawks seemingly do as he can't always keep the cameras off him or bad press away from him when he does.

Yeah I just read that his junior team won't be naming one of their training squads after him... That's what a black cloud will do to a person's reputation.

If the woman has bite marks, scratches, and the marks of what looks like a struggle, which I've read here that she does... Public opinion and women's rights and social consciousness being what it is won't really allow Kane to remain in Chicago.

If he knew her from before that night, the circumstantial evidence would seem to be against him. Being known to get blackout drunk, and Hyde like is all pointing in the wrong direction.

There's no way that this situation makes things easier for Stan like someone wrote earlier.

Best case right now I think is that the hawks get maybe 60 cents on the dollar for Kane, though no one would trade for him until this whole thing is settled. The price will go to zero if there's even a misdemenour assault charge that comes of this. That Nfl guy punching that woman in the face made sure of that.

Yeah I just read that his junior team won't be naming one of their training squads after him... That's what a black cloud will do to a person's reputation.

If the woman has bite marks, scratches, and the marks of what looks like a struggle, which I've read here that she does... Public opinion and women's rights and social consciousness being what it is won't really allow Kane to remain in Chicago.

If he knew her from before that night, the circumstantial evidence would seem to be against him. Being known to get blackout drunk, and Hyde like is all pointing in the wrong direction.

There's no way that this situation makes things easier for Stan like someone wrote earlier.

Best case right now I think is that the hawks get maybe 60 cents on the dollar for Kane, though no one would trade for him until this whole thing is settled. The price will go to zero if there's even a misdemenour assault charge that comes of this. That Nfl guy punching that woman in the face made sure of that.
- kaptaan

Right now, if he is traded, getting cap space back is the main goal for the team.

#1. I think its silly to say things like "regardless of the outcome of this case Kane's reputation/image is ruined forever and ever".

#2. If those potential future incidents don't impact the team on the ice or in the locker room, if he continues to show up and do his job for the team, and doesn't do anything illegal....regardless of what he does during his personal time/issues he allegedly has off camera/buzz he causes during the offseason....could you not then argue that it would be worth keeping him if it was the difference between sustaining a Blackhawks dynasty or not? Im a fan of the Hawks hockey team above all else, not gonna judge everyone by who they are off camera.

The harsh truth that none of us can control is that Patrick Kane the person is most likely an A-hole when he goes out/drinks heavily, possibly even when he's sober. Who knows. Certainly appears that way. But I honestly don't care as long as he doesn't commit crimes and keeps showing up to work performing at a world class level.
- SimpleJack

You took some creative licence with the statement I made about his rep and turned it into "ruined forever and ever". What I said was his rep is in shambles - as in currently, today, for the time being. Which it is with many hockey fans, his bosses with the team, some sponsors and for all we know his friends, family and maybe even his lawyer and a bunch of teammates.

That doesn't mean the rep can't be repaired - especially if you believe that past performance is not indicative of future results. But right now he is bad news and another accident waiting to happen. Is he willing, able and ready to change his lifestyle and deal with his issues? Don't know, but if he won't I'll predict his hockey career will hit a large iceberg sooner than later with permanent damage done to it and the hockey team. And that's the crystal ball that Stanbo, McD and Rocky have to look into and make a bet on whether it will happen or not.

Yeah I just read that his junior team won't be naming one of their training squads after him... That's what a black cloud will do to a person's reputation.

If the woman has bite marks, scratches, and the marks of what looks like a struggle, which I've read here that she does... Public opinion and women's rights and social consciousness being what it is won't really allow Kane to remain in Chicago.

If he knew her from before that night, the circumstantial evidence would seem to be against him. Being known to get blackout drunk, and Hyde like is all pointing in the wrong direction.

There's no way that this situation makes things easier for Stan like someone wrote earlier.

Best case right now I think is that the hawks get maybe 60 cents on the dollar for Kane, though no one would trade for him until this whole thing is settled. The price will go to zero if there's even a misdemenour assault charge that comes of this. That Nfl guy punching that woman in the face made sure of that.
- kaptaan

I think that may have been some early hyperbole in reporting, Kaptaan. If there were those signs of violence (unambiguous), he'd likely already be in custody. There's also been no indication that he knew her prior to that night. Not a blind Kane apologist, but I'd be surprised at this point to see charges with what I've seen of this.

Akim Aliu
- John Jaeckel

Poll - Which former Knight's name should replace Pat Kane's?
Tuesday, August 25, 2015

29%
456 votes
Darryl Sittler

7%
111 votes
Nazem Kadri

7%
111 votes
Bo Horvat

11%
170 votes
Max Domi

40%
617 votes
Brendan Shanahan

6%
84 votes
Steve Mason

The holier than thou crowd have spoken, Get the Drunk Rapist out of town. The sooner the better. Can't tarnish McD's classy brand. Funny how most whine about all these Kane transgressions... The cabbie insident was a joke, did he put the guy in the hospital or just slap him up side the head a few times like a young idiot.. Was it him or was it his cousin. A drunk weekend in Wisconsin. Any charges from the police that weekend... NO. And it didn't stop them from signing him to a giant long term deal. Now this charge! Is it true? We don't know. Did she say NO in the middle of the act, we don't know. But it's to much drama so get rid of him. Screw Kane, he ruined our summer! He's been a little punk for years... No waiting to see if Parerin or Dano can somehow take his place. Trade him now..... NOOOOO, don't make rash decisions ... You have to back him until there is an indictment, if there even is one. Then you saints can throw him to the wolves....because for all we know he went home with a woman who whispered in his ear all night F*ck me silly, until he bit her shoulder and then she might have said stop... Did he, we don't know!!!
- moots

I stand somewhere between you and the holier than thou crowd you speak of. I hope this somehow works out where Kane remains a Hawk for the next 8 years and then re-signs a deal so he retires a Hawk and he and Toews can ride off into the sunset together after their #19 and #88 are raised to the rafters.

But my hopes and wishes don't count, really, and neither do the opinions of anyone else commenting on this. The only opinions that count (if the criminal investigation is dropped) are those of Rocky and the Hawks organizational leadership. So when I put my own thoughts aside and try to see things from their POV, I come to the conclusion that there is a real possibility they want to get rid of Kane for several reasons, not the least of which if they don't want to gamble an $84M investment in a guy they don't think they can continue to trust.

You took some creative licence with the statement I made about his rep and turned it into "ruined forever and ever". What I said was his rep is in shambles - as in currently, today, for the time being. Which it is with many hockey fans, his bosses with the team, some sponsors and for all we know his friends, family and maybe even his lawyer and a bunch of teammates.

That doesn't mean the rep can't be repaired - especially if you believe that past performance is not indicative of future results. But right now he is bad news and another accident waiting to happen. Is he willing, able and ready to change his lifestyle and deal with his issues? Don't know, but if he won't I'll predict his hockey career will hit a large iceberg sooner than later with permanent damage done to it and the hockey team. And that's the crystal ball that Stanbo, McD and Rocky have to look into and make a bet on whether it will happen or not.
- RickJ

Well ruined may be a little strong but actually I don't think it's silly at all. Regardless of the outcome he'll always have a cloud over his head. That's why the DA made the statement he did:

The district attorney said the reason he won't comment on any criminal cases before charges are brought is that because ethically he can't.

"That person has serious problems now with their reputation and what happens if-and again I'm not referring to any particular investigation, I'm referring to reasons of my policy of not talking to the media-what happens if that investigation, after I've announced that this person is under investigation, what happens if that investigation clears somebody? The point is that person cannot get their reputation back," Sedita said

But it was confirmed by incarcerated Bob's twitter account!

Agree with Marlowe here - even if it is SportsMockery...

Also agree with your suspicion on no charges. The time lapse is now reaching a point that seems to indicate a lack of definitive evidence.
- tredbrta

At least according to this author (a law professor), the "time lapse" so far isn't really an indication of anything. According to this guy, it can be months or even a year for charges in a rape case to be filed.

http://www.si.com/nhl/201...e-rape-case-investigation

It's a pretty good article on the legal aspect of this, even if I don't think he has a great grasp of hockey.

If the Hawks deal him anytime soon, they won't get value for value. But they might do so to get the headache behind them. Assuming the legal things gets "cleared up."

I will just tell you this, Patrick Kane is persona non-grata at 1901 W. Madison Street, with the people whose opinions matter most.

Where this goes from here has to do with a) the outcome of the legal issue and b) whatever he can do to salvage trust.

Trust is the issue. The organization cannot have $10.5 million a year locked up in a guy who can get arrested (and suspended) at any time, is a risk to himself and others, and is continually surrounded by bonehead enablers who perpetuate the problem.

I know some are trying as hard as they can to blame the victim in this case or just write it off as Kane is just a "partier."

They are missing a very significant point, I think because they choose not to see it.
- John Jaeckel

There could be a huge difference in perception now and what could come out of all of this. No one here knows this, yet.

The "partier" issue as for now, is that he puts himself in difficult-to-manage situations.

No one can be missing a point until we know all the facts.

The holier than thou crowd have spoken, Get the Drunk Rapist out of town. The sooner the better. Can't tarnish McD's classy brand. Funny how most whine about all these Kane transgressions... The cabbie insident was a joke, did he put the guy in the hospital or just slap him up side the head a few times like a young idiot.. Was it him or was it his cousin. A drunk weekend in Wisconsin. Any charges from the police that weekend... NO. And it didn't stop them from signing him to a giant long term deal. Now this charge! Is it true? We don't know. Did she say NO in the middle of the act, we don't know. But it's to much drama so get rid of him. Screw Kane, he ruined our summer! He's been a little punk for years... No waiting to see if Parerin or Dano can somehow take his place. Trade him now..... NOOOOO, don't make rash decisions ... You have to back him until there is an indictment, if there even is one. Then you saints can throw him to the wolves....because for all we know he went home with a woman who whispered in his ear all night (frank) me silly, until he bit her shoulder and then she might have said stop... Did he, we don't know!!!
- moots

Kids - all just kid stuff - what are you going to do.

What a load of crap.

You need to stop right there. And think about what you wrote, which is the premise for all that follows.

THERE IS NO WAY for the team to predict whether he will commit crimes, hurt someone, hurt himself, hurt the team's image, damage sponsor relationships.

What they can predict, based on now 6 years of behavior, is that unless he does something meaningful to change it (meaningful, as in changing his habits and taking steps to ensure those changes remain in place), there WILL be more events. You can''t have the face of your franchise getting into a criminal situation/passed out drunk on a bar stool with photos going out live to Twitter, every summer.

Not just "I'll party less." they tried that now, what, three times?
- John Jaeckel

Three Stanley Cup Championships you mean? You know what? At this point I almost hope they trade Kane for a package of mediocre to average players and "futures" and this is the last Cup of the Toews-Kane-Keith era. THEN, the MORALITY POLICE and HockeyBuzz.com Saints will be happy! We dont have a party boy on the team anymore! HOORAYY!!! oh yeah, we also dont have the most dynamic playmaker (outside of Crosby) in the NHL...so now we are just another "good" Western Conference Team. It truly is laughable how ready you are to toss Kane aside like he was Dave Bolland or Brian Campbell. This is Patrick F-ing Kane. Two months ago they were already planning the statue in front of the UC....I could give two poops if he is a nice guy or draws a wang on someone's jersey when he's drunk. As long as he didnt rape this woman, I pray to the hockey gods he is in a Blackhawk's jersey for many years to come. I understand JJ wants to create a "buzz" but the rest of you are just sad. Get off your high horses and support the player that was INSTRUMENTAL in a Blackhawks' Dynasty.

Some one said it earlier, The Spin Doctors may be at work trying to clean up this mess if he is cleared. If he gets to stay ,I bet the Hawks put his ass out to dry by making him apologize to the fans in person, not thru a letter , apologize to mr. Wirtz and his team mates, seek professional help and volunteer to speak out in support of helping rape and sexual assault victims, plus the little SOB better stay in the house for awhile come nite time, cut the apron strings from mommy and daddy,. Actually , what should have happened to him early on in his drinking career to give him a dose of humility is, when he stepped out of line someone in one of these bars should have beat his ass to a pulp out in the parking lot instead of kissing his ass and condoning his behavior which most fans do with these athletes when the see them out in the bars.Kane may just survive all of this but not before he goes thru the ringers of public humiliation!
- wonthecup10

In the case of charges and a conviction this may happen. If not, they will probably require he be active in some other type of charities. Involvement in rape and sexual assault victim causes would be seen as an admission of guilt on some levels. If this ends in settlement only he should stay away from the subject altogether.

Brace yourself Chicago...

...from Panarin's twitter feed he likes motorcycles and firearms. Le'ts hope he doesn't mix his hobbies with alcohol.
- ArlingtonRob

Or Mix with Patrick Kane... I mean... too soom?

Yeah I just read that his junior team won't be naming one of their training squads after him... That's what a black cloud will do to a person's reputation.

If the woman has bite marks, scratches, and the marks of what looks like a struggle, which I've read here that she does... Public opinion and women's rights and social consciousness being what it is won't really allow Kane to remain in Chicago.

If he knew her from before that night, the circumstantial evidence would seem to be against him. Being known to get blackout drunk, and Hyde like is all pointing in the wrong direction.

There's no way that this situation makes things easier for Stan like someone wrote earlier.

Best case right now I think is that the hawks get maybe 60 cents on the dollar for Kane, though no one would trade for him until this whole thing is settled. The price will go to zero if there's even a misdemenour assault charge that comes of this. That Nfl guy punching that woman in the face made sure of that.
- kaptaan

The guy was at the top of the league in scoring before his injury last year. Do you really believe that GMs will take a "hands off" approach to him if this ends with no charges?

The only way that happens is if the management committee of the Hawks decides brand is more important than hockey and telegraphs to the league that Kane has to go. They should not show their hand if they have an ounce of competence. If this ends without charges let Kane come back and play - hope he tears it up on the ice - and unload him after the season or at the TDL (if he can play by then). The risk would be if he actually does have an addiction issue and it impacts his play. If he plays like he did in the POs GMs will have short memories.

At least according to this author (a law professor), the "time lapse" so far isn't really an indication of anything. According to this guy, it can be months or even a year for charges in a rape case to be filed.

http://www.si.com/nhl/201...e-rape-case-investigation

It's a pretty good article on the legal aspect of this, even if I don't think he has a great grasp of hockey.
- Atomic Wedgie

Thanks for the link.

Right now, if he is traded, getting cap space back is the main goal for the team.
- powerenforcer

Seriously? If that is their goal than this team is reverting back to Dollar Bill/Pulford style management and this window has closed. Might as well hold a white flag trade for the other core as well and start from scratch.

That should only be their goal if this ends in some form of charges and conviction.... and the cap space would come in the form of a contract termination. If that happens they better be out aggressively pursuing free agents with the space too.

Three Stanley Cup Championships you mean? You know what? At this point I almost hope they trade Kane for a package of mediocre to average players and "futures" and this is the last Cup of the Toews-Kane-Keith era. THEN, the MORALITY POLICE and HockeyBuzz.com Saints will be happy! We dont have a party boy on the team anymore! HOORAYY!!! oh yeah, we also dont have the most dynamic playmaker (outside of Crosby) in the NHL...so now we are just another "good" Western Conference Team. It truly is laughable how ready you are to toss Kane aside like he was Dave Bolland or Brian Campbell. This is Patrick F-ing Kane. Two months ago they were already planning the statue in front of the UC....I could give two poops if he is a nice guy or draws a wang on someone's jersey when he's drunk. As long as he didnt rape this woman, I pray to the hockey gods he is in a Blackhawk's jersey for many years to come. I understand JJ wants to create a "buzz" but the rest of your are just sad. Get off your high horses and support the player that was INSTRUMENTAL in a Blackhawks' Dynasty.
- EnzoD

This!

I'm not really religious but these are all interesting things to hope and pray for.

Your statement says it all really. Bolland and Campbell were off loaded due to the Cap not becasue they were repeatedly shaming themselves and the team in the press...if Kane does in fact end up being traded. If it was Dezy, Shaw or Krugs and this was the latest apparent transgression in a formidable line of them would you care as much? Just curious.

I think what's sad is you hoping to stick it to anyone who's thoughts vary from yours like what any of us say here really matters.

The Hawks will make their decision independent of what any of us think. In the meantime, I'll support the guys who apparently get it...like 2, 4, 7, 11, 16, 19, 33, 50, 57, 65, 86...ok 5 too.

Seriously? If that is their goal than this team is reverting back to Dollar Bill/Pulford style management and this window has closed. Might as well hold a white flag trade for the other core as well and start from scratch.

That should only be their goal if this ends in some form of charges and conviction.... and the cap space would come in the form of a contract termination. If that happens they better be out aggressively pursuing free agents with the space too.
- tredbrta

No, the reason they get cap space is so they can use it to fill holes and get other players. Bowman will not trade (if that is what the organization decides) Kane's 10.5 mil cap hit for 10.5 cap hit in other players. He will gain some players, and cap space to use for other players, most likely FA.
Think about it before you spout out.

about 21 days to camp....

still over the cap
kruger unsigned
bickell still here
craw a cap nightmare
saad gone
#88?? who the hell knows
hawks and players on media lockdown

ought to be the most intrigueing and fascinating camps in hawks history..

the dam has to break at some point

about 21 days to camp....

still over the cap
kruger unsigned
bickell still here
craw a cap nightmare
saad gone
#88?? who the hell knows
hawks and players on media lockdown

ought to be the most intrigueing and fascinating camps in hawks history..

the dam has to break at some point
- bogiedoc

Putting the "D" in BOD.

This!
- HawkintheD

I'm not really religious but these are all interesting things to hope and pray for.

Your statement says it all really. Bolland and Campbell were off loaded due to the Cap not becasue they were repeatedly shaming themselves and the team in the press...if Kane does in fact end up being traded. If it was Dezy, Shaw or Krugs and this was the latest apparent transgression in a formidable line of them would you care as much? Just curious.

I think what's sad is you hoping to stick it to anyone who's thoughts vary from yours like what any of us say here really matters.

The Hawks will make their decision independent of what any of us think. In the meantime, I'll support the guys who apparently get it...like 2, 4, 7, 11, 16, 19, 33, 50, 57, 65, 86...ok 5 too.

Bolland and Campbell were expendable complementary pieces. Patrick Kane is a franchise player and future Hall of Famer...is that too difficult for you to see all the way up there on your high horse??

about 21 days to camp....

still over the cap
kruger unsigned
bickell still here
craw a cap nightmare
saad gone
#88?? who the hell knows
hawks and players on media lockdown

ought to be the most intrigueing and fascinating camps in hawks history..

the dam has to break at some point
- bogiedoc

this was supposed to be a summer of whimsical fun and smiles!

No, the reason they get cap space is so they can use it to fill holes and get other players. Bowman will not trade (if that is what the organization decides) Kane's 10.5 mil cap hit for 10.5 cap hit in other players. He will gain some players, and cap space to use for other players, most likely FA.
Think about it before you spout out.
- powerenforcer

if he is traded, getting cap space back is the main goal

Your post read as if cap space was the main objective.

That cannot be the objective. The objective has to be salvaging a return for the #1 pick Kane was.... Cap space is good but not a primary objective here. Not under a cap system. You lose a #1 pick then you better replace it. Again, if it is about cap space only then you terminate his contract with the intent to use the cap for a Kopitar or Stamkos level free agent. Anything less is a step back.

Ideally, you move him for a package including HIGH picks and/or top prospects along with space and use the space for another elite player in free agency. If the objective becomes cap space only then we are looking at a worst case scenario.

My gut feeling is Kane will be cleared of the rape charges and a settlement will occur within 8 weeks. I also believe Kane will be traded by December. IMO, the Hawks would be taking a monumental risks to not trade him . A 8 year deal at 10.5 million a year to a player who continuously keeps having serious off ice issues, even after been warned by management multiple times , will always be a high risk commodity. Remember, Kaners Most productive year was in 2009/ 20010 season. He scoed 30 goals and 58 assists. Since that season, Patrick has not come close to equal those totals. Why not? Immaturity / lack of discipline and alcohol abuse are probably the major reasons. It is sad but this might be the only time the Hawks will be able to cut loose on his monumental cap hit and still get reasonable value for him. We must remember. If the cap continuous to stay flat for the next three years..and that seriously could happen because of the stagnant global economy, the Hawks will be living in cap hell with 2 mega contracts. It would hurt me to see him go but he has struck out in my book.
- spanky

Nah, his only off year was when he had wrist surgery and had to play center. He also led the team at the end of the year and single handedly backed them into the playoffs with Toews out with brain pain.

Patrick Kane is so freaking good at hockey that he can be a ppg player with old decrepit pieces like what Zues was and then what Richards was for most of the season. It is truly incredible how he elevates the play of the players around him and still finds ways to score.

To maintain the level of production he has away from Toews and Sharp is a tremendous accomplishment.