Here's your original statement:


No/almost no news at all?
- Atomic Wedgie

You're right - I misspoke - didn't say what I meant.

I stand behind my main point.

I appreciate the dig Marlowe. I'm a B1G graduate and very far from a blind squirrel. SportsMockery, however credible or not they may be, have been ahead of the story from the beginning. I am very happy with this "report" and all the name calling and insulting of my intelligence cannot bring me down this afternoon. Patrick Kane is going to be a Blackhawk and he is also very likely not a rapist! That is all that matters to me!!
- EnzoD

Hey Enzo the dig was totally 100% directed at sports mockery and not at you at all. Apologies if I wasn't clear here. Meant the site - every now and then even folks who don't seem to vette any of there sources can hit on something.

Hey Enaz the dig was totally 100% directed at sports mockery and not at you at all. Apologies if I wasn't clear here. Meant the site - every now and then even folks who don't seem to vette any of there sources can hit on something.
- Marlowe

Or not:

✶ Sports Mockery ✶ (@sportsmockery)
8/25/15, 11:26 AM
Sexual assault, civil case, etc. still in play. Our sources indicate rape is not going to be charged tho. Again, we are working to verify.

Scott Levin (@ScottLevinWGRZ)
8/25/15, 6:06 PM
Source tells me the D.A.s office in Buffalo Continues to interview witnesses tied to the #patrickkane investigation even as of today. @WGRZ

Scott Levin (@ScottLevinWGRZ)
8/25/15, 6:06 PM
Source tells me the D.A.s office in Buffalo Continues to interview witnesses tied to the #patrickkane investigation even as of today. @WGRZ
- walleyeb1

Hence the mockery of the Mockery...

Or not:

✶ Sports Mockery ✶ (@sportsmockery)
8/25/15, 11:26 AM
Sexual assault, civil case, etc. still in play. Our sources indicate rape is not going to be charged tho. Again, we are working to verify.
- walleyeb1

Something tells me their effort at "verifying" won't match the effort put into speculation.

Rumor mongering is much more entertaining...and more effective as clickbait.

Eric Stall if we deal with carolina?
- Panarin27

That's the idea.

I like Paul Maurice - think he's a good coach and his (implied) endorsement is good to hear. But, he's still a bottom-6 guy and he would seem redundant with Anisimov who I think will probably end up being the Hawks 3C when TT is stronger and better able to handle 2C. I'd rather get Buf and a very good prospect d-man like Morrissey.
- EbonyRaptor

I am sure that can be arranged.

Something tells me they're effort at "verifying" won't match the effort put into speculation.

Rumor mongering is much more entertaining...and more effective as clickbait.
- ArlingtonRob

Scott Levin
✔
@ScottLevinWGRZ

A source with knowledge of the #patrickkane investigation repeats... NO settlement talks have taken place. Period. @WGRZ
6:57 PM - 24 Aug 2015

Easy for either of us to speculate because it ain't happening, but I'd put money on him not wanting any part of him. Leddy's salary puts him in the top four and he just doesn't have the defensive game that Q needs for the team to be successful.
- paulr

Right now he would be a godsend...

The article says: Kane will be cleared because of lack of evidence indicating a rape occurred. The alleged victim has been informed and is hysterical crying.

Investigators called the alleged victims lawyers last night , said not enough evidence to charge Kane “at this time” they will continue to investigate to see if any other leads or witnesses come forward.

I doubt the DA's office will "clear" Kane, especially looking at the second paragraph comment about "at this time" and "continue to investigate".

Again the article says: Kane and an investigator from the District Attorney’s Office recently met (report doesn’t say it was recent, but it reads as such). It would presumably be to inform Kane that there’s a lack of evidence. However, none of this has been verified.

I doubt the DA investigator would reference a lack of evidence in a conversation with a subject of the investigation.

I suspect Kane will not be charged, but also not "cleared" - the unfortunate result of most (from what I've read) rape allegations in these here United States - we will never know the truth - and Wirtz/McD/Bowman will have to make decisions with only vague and unsettled facts.
- StLBravesFan

But it was confirmed by incarcerated Bob's twitter account!

Agree with Marlowe here - even if it is SportsMockery...

Also agree with your suspicion on no charges. The time lapse is now reaching a point that seems to indicate a lack of definitive evidence.

Blind squirrels Rob! Blind. Squirrels. And nuts.
- Marlowe

Hey M,

Can the accuser still file a civil action if charges are not filed?

A couple of things, first, Lowry is a good skater plus he's 6'5" and 210 pounds. The young man, in his FIRST NHL SEASON (after only one year in the AHL) made a huge impression on Coach Paul Maurice, who trusted in his two way game...at 22, the young man has already demonstrated his ability to be a strong 2 way Centre, plus scored 11 goals to go with his size and speed...that's a strong acquisition in my opinion. Secondly, if the Hawks wanted to go with prospects instead, they would likely be able to add the likes of Ehlers, Morrisey or Lemeiux...this isn't chump change for Kane...and in a deal such as this the Hawks would also be creating $3.5 million in Cap space. IMO, this is a win/win situation for both teams where both are sharing an equal risk, which is an important perceived component to any trade involving Kane.
- MexicoHawk

I would hope trading Kane to a central rival for Buff (who has some baggage of his own) and Lowry (who I also like as a player) would have to include at least 1 of those 3 prospects if not 2 and 1 would have to be Morrisey. As JJ stated, this organization needs some top d prospects. If Kane gets out of this with no charges and possibly no settlement either I could see them keeping him for the season and moving him next off season. To take a weak return just to make a statement is simply rash.

Kane, if he walks from charges, will be under an intense microscope this next season. Very little chance of another incident in the near term and he will probably look to let his play on the ice overcome the image issue (if that is possible). I understand they will probably not bet on Kane long term but putting off the trade until next off season would make sense on many levels...

Hey M,

Can the accuser still file a civil action if charges are not filed?
- tredbrta

Absolutely. 100% yes. Would still need to prove the civil claim but the standard for a civil suit is a lot lower (more likely than not) than a criminal suit (beyond a reasonable doubt). Think OJ here.

28-32 is not old for dmen...More like the prime age for some.
I do agree the minutes here are heavy and that will need to change at some point.
But great dmen play heavy minutes to just about the end.
Pronger/Niedermayer were prime examples when they won the Cup in Ana.
Keith/Seabrook/Hammer are of the same quality.
- Al

which is fine but that gets you 5-6 years. toews should still be a force at 31 and with the right youth coming through really set the stage to reload and avoid fading away.

Eric Stall if we deal with carolina?
- Panarin27

oh boy

Absolutely. 100% yes. Would still need to prove the civil claim but the standard for a civil suit is a lot lower (more likely than not) than a criminal suit (beyond a reasonable doubt). Think OJ here.
- Marlowe

Thanks.

Remember the OJ suit but thought it may have required charges be filed regardless of result.

This saddens me. Good ole #16 was my favorite player when I first started following the Hawks in the mid-60's.
- EbonyRaptor

Just heard about Chico Maki...sad day for Hawk Nation...

http://www.csnchicago.com...ar-ron-chico-maki-dies-76

Eric Stall if we deal with carolina?
- Panarin27

Would love Eric staal as our #2 center or even lw since we are thin on those. And if he could be resigned cheap (5 mil or so) even better. Not sure there's a fit trade wise but that would be a great acquisition if Kane went (there would need to be more involved of course).

Thanks.

Remember the OJ suit but thought it may have required charges be filed regardless of result.
- tredbrta

Nope. Criminal and civil are two separate worlds essentially. what happens in a criminal case (charges, no charges, conviction or no conviction) doesn't preclude a civil suit. Just like you can sue someone for something that isn't criminally actionable. So even if nothing happens criminally a person accused of rape could still be sued civilly. So there are 2 hills to get over here.

My gut feeling is Kane will be cleared of the rape charges and a settlement will occur within 8 weeks. I also believe Kane will be traded by December. IMO, the Hawks would be taking a monumental risks to not trade him . A 8 year deal at 10.5 million a year to a player who continuously keeps having serious off ice issues, even after been warned by management multiple times , will always be a high risk commodity. Remember, Kaners Most productive year was in 2009/ 20010 season. He scoed 30 goals and 58 assists. Since that season, Patrick has not come close to equal those totals. Why not? Immaturity / lack of discipline and alcohol abuse are probably the major reasons. It is sad but this might be the only time the Hawks will be able to cut loose on his monumental cap hit and still get reasonable value for him. We must remember. If the cap continuous to stay flat for the next three years..and that seriously could happen because of the stagnant global economy, the Hawks will be living in cap hell with 2 mega contracts. It would hurt me to see him go but he has struck out in my book.

As easily seen from my writing, I am a little drunk tonight. I mean no disrespect to anyone. I am just sick of hearing trade Kane even if he is innocent. Listen to that last sentence and tell me how it makes sense for a player that has brought us this much joy as sports fans. If he is innocent
- LuckyStrikeW

Hey buddy, nothing to do with Kane's guilty or innocent verdict here. What some of us are trying to say is that the team president has seen enough as some whispers are seeping through the cracks , just trying to look at it from the fact that Kane could be dealt. This was the straw that broke the camels back with John McDonough is all some of us are saying/hearing.

There are a lot of knowledgable posters on this board and some of us DO have a wee bit inside info without blabbing who we got it from when it comes to this team and the National Hockey League so all we are saying is stay tuned& It is a known fact MR.MCDONOUGH IS FUMING over this. It has parylized the whole summer celebration and potential future TV commercials, celebrations and sponsors and whatever other events John and his people had planned for the fans and corporate people .

My gut feeling is Kane will be cleared of the rape charges and a settlement will occur within 8 weeks. I also believe Kane will be traded by December. IMO, the Hawks would be taking a monumental risks to not trade him . A 8 year deal at 10.5 million a year to a player who continuously keeps having serious off ice issues, even after been warned by management multiple times , will always be a high risk commodity. Remember, Kaners Most productive year was in 2009/ 20010 season. He scoed 30 goals and 58 assists. Since that season, Patrick has not come close to equal those totals. Why not? Immaturity / lack of discipline and alcohol abuse are probably the major reasons. It is sad but this might be the only time the Hawks will be able to cut loose on his monumental cap hit and still get reasonable value for him. We must remember. If the cap continuous to stay flat for the next three years..and that seriously could happen because of the stagnant global economy, the Hawks will be living in cap hell with 2 mega contracts. It would hurt me to see him go but he has struck out in my book.
- spanky

I think that is a real stretch to state "Immaturity / lack of discipline and alcohol abuse are probably the major reasons " Other than 2011/12 when he scored "only" 66 points in 82 games, all his other seasons have been very good. The main reason he hasn't hit 88 points again is because of injuries and the lockout season. He scored 55 points in 47 games in the lockout season which is a better ppg than his 88 point year. He scored 64 points in 61 games before he got his collar bone broken. And even the year in between he scored 69 points in 69 games - hardly a decline of play on the ice due to the reasons you cited. Even in his one "down" year where he scored only 66 points in 82 games - he had an injured wrist that was made worse when Q tried him at center for a bunch of games.

I'm not debating that he's immature and has an alcohol problem - but I don't believe it has affected his play on the ice one iota.

My gut feeling is Kane will be cleared of the rape charges and a settlement will occur within 8 weeks. I also believe Kane will be traded by December. IMO, the Hawks would be taking a monumental risks to not trade him . A 8 year deal at 10.5 million a year to a player who continuously keeps having serious off ice issues, even after been warned by management multiple times , will always be a high risk commodity. Remember, Kaners Most productive year was in 2009/ 20010 season. He scoed 30 goals and 58 assists. Since that season, Patrick has not come close to equal those totals. Why not? Immaturity / lack of discipline and alcohol abuse are probably the major reasons. It is sad but this might be the only time the Hawks will be able to cut loose on his monumental cap hit and still get reasonable value for him. We must remember. If the cap continuous to stay flat for the next three years..and that seriously could happen because of the stagnant global economy, the Hawks will be living in cap hell with 2 mega contracts. It would hurt me to see him go but he has struck out in my book.
- spanky

No matter what you think of Kane he would have won or come close to winning the scoring title last season if he wasn't injured.

Also, Kane consistently put up numbers with multiple centers every season and wingers.

Lastly, it is almost impossible to trade a $10.5 million cap hit mid season.

Hey buddy, nothing to do with Kane's guilty or innocent verdict here. What some of us are trying to say is that the team president has seen enough as some whispers are seeping through the cracks , just trying to look at it from the fact that Kane could be dealt. This was the straw that broke the camels back with John McDonough is all some of us are saying/hearing.

There are a lot of knowledgable posters on this board and some of us DO have a wee bit inside info without blabbing who we got it from when it comes to this team and the National Hockey League so all we are saying is stay tuned& It is a known fact MR.MCDONOUGH IS FUMING over this. It has parylized the whole summer celebration and potential future TV commercials, celebrations and sponsors and whatever other events John and his people had planned for the fans and corporate people .
- wonthecup10

If Kane is not charged (read: innocent) and McD pushes to trade him over this, I hope he will own the consequences to the on ice product. This team will be net less competitive without Kane. And if the kid ended up being kinda sorta set up in this matter, which is as possible at this point of him being indicted, think about the message this will send to the other players - the team will not have your back if something is not your fault.

Amazing how judgmental everyone is not knowing the truth. Even more amazing that supposedly intelligent business executives are really that reactionary absent the facts.