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mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Aug 25 @ 5:54 PM ET
Not sure how valid a source this is but ...

http://sportsmockery.com/...not-be-charged-with-rape/

- TommyHawk



Sports mockery is like "The Onion"
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Aug 25 @ 5:55 PM ET
http://sportsmockery.com/...not-be-charged-with-rape/


StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Aug 25 @ 5:55 PM ET
Because of having so many really good young players come up all at once...There's been very little development of useful players in Rockford.

The good ones come up right away....Only players I can think of that spent a good deal of time in Rockford and became productive players here are Crawford-Bickell and Ben Smith.
Hammer was there for not long enough to credit "Rockford development" same with TT.

- Al


...or elsewhere: none of the skaters who spent substantial time in Screw City have made an impact anywhere - maybe Pirri as a sniper (20+ goals with only 2 assists?), Hayes a bit useful in Miami....
ArlingtonRob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 230 years was a good run, IL
Joined: 01.20.2012

Aug 25 @ 5:57 PM ET
If the Hawks deal him anytime soon, they won't get value for value. But they might do so to get the headache behind them. Assuming the legal things gets "cleared up."

I will just tell you this, Patrick Kane is persona non-grata at 1901 W. Madison Street, with the people whose opinions matter most.

Where this goes from here has to do with a) the outcome of the legal issue and b) whatever he can do to salvage trust.

Trust is the issue. The organization cannot have $10.5 million a year locked up in a guy who can get arrested (and suspended) at any time, is a risk to himself and others, and is continually surrounded by bonehead enablers who perpetuate the problem.

I know some are trying as hard as they can to blame the victim in this case or just write it off as Kane is just a "partier."

They are missing a very significant point, I think because they choose not to see it.

- John Jaeckel


JJ...this was my guess for how the front office reacted to the "news".

And now for the expected push back...3, 2, 1....
ArlingtonRob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 230 years was a good run, IL
Joined: 01.20.2012

Aug 25 @ 5:58 PM ET
Sports mockery is like "The Onion"
- mrpaulish


Sorta...

...but the Onion is hilarious, while Sportsmockery is an embarrassment to humanity.
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Aug 25 @ 6:00 PM ET
Not sure how valid a source this is but ...

http://sportsmockery.com/...not-be-charged-with-rape/

- TommyHawk


While I attribute no credibility to the source or its sources, the premise is consistent with the events - or lack thereof - since the incident though. I highly doubt a person believed to be a rapist would be uncharged three weeks after the event.

DA's reputation is one of deliberate action. He won't take a case he can't win to court. So he needs time to spin the "why" he won't bring charges. In a recent press conference he was quick to float the opinion that investigations can also exonerate suspects....

Again, lets just wait and see, hope for the best, and hope that the front office acts appropriately.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Aug 25 @ 6:01 PM ET
Sorta...

...but the Onion is hilarious, while Sportsmockery is an embarrassment to humanity.

- ArlingtonRob



And has also had "insider" information throughout this process. KANE IS GOING NOWHERE!!!!
ArlingtonRob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 230 years was a good run, IL
Joined: 01.20.2012

Aug 25 @ 6:03 PM ET
He's in town early.

HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Aug 25 @ 6:07 PM ET
Sure you could, you are a Hawks fan, if you can make it through 3OT playoff games and go to work the next day, you can hang...........

- vabeachbear




Good point. I did bail on the 3 OT game where Seabrook scored a minute into the third OT. Had an early morning. Made it through 2 OT's, had nothing to drink and still felt like one of the Walking Dead.
ArlingtonRob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 230 years was a good run, IL
Joined: 01.20.2012

Aug 25 @ 6:08 PM ET
Brace yourself Chicago...

...from Panarin's twitter feed he likes motorcycles and firearms. Le'ts hope he doesn't mix his hobbies with alcohol.
Marlowe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wild Wild West, IL
Joined: 06.29.2014

Aug 25 @ 6:09 PM ET
While I attribute no credibility to the source or its sources, the premise is consistent with the events - or lack thereof - since the incident though. I highly doubt a person believed to be a rapist would be uncharged three weeks after the event.

DA's reputation is one of deliberate action. He won't take a case he can't win to court. So he needs time to spin the "why" he won't bring charges. In a recent press conference he was quick to float the opinion that investigations can also exonerate suspects....

Again, lets just wait and see, hope for the best, and hope that the front office acts appropriately.

- Return of the Roar


We shall see. Sports Mockery is far from a good / reliable source but as my best friend's dad used to say "even a blind squirrel can sometimes find a nut"' Ted was wise.
Marlowe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wild Wild West, IL
Joined: 06.29.2014

Aug 25 @ 6:12 PM ET


Good point. I did bail on the 3 OT game where Seabrook scored a minute into the third OT. Had an early morning. Made it through 2 OT's, had nothing to drink and still felt like one of the Walking Dead.

- HawkintheD

I was at that game with my sister. We are diehards. So were about 80-90% of the rest of the crowd. That said we were snoozing during intermissions.
Marlowe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wild Wild West, IL
Joined: 06.29.2014

Aug 25 @ 6:14 PM ET
If you're relying on Sportsmockery for your hard news...

...prepare for disappointment.

- ArlingtonRob

Blind squirrels Rob! Blind. Squirrels. And nuts.
DMChi2010
Joined: 06.03.2014

Aug 25 @ 6:15 PM ET
What he's DONE (or NOT done) will get figured out, or swept under the rug.

The issue IS . . . what will he do next summer, or on a road trip this Spring, or . . . t

The stakes are way too high, the track record and contributing factors are always there and not changing despite warnings and promises to change.

The team can't just ignore it and assume it'll go away of its own. It has been an issue for at least 6 years and there are no meaningful indications it's going to change. Yet.

- John Jaeckel


JJ - do you know if one of the scenarios with Kane is somehow putting him in rehab for the year and letting him play for 2016-17? Would the Hawks do this and market it as "helping Kane being a better person?" Is there precedence for such a move in the NHL in terms of cap relief via LTIR?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Aug 25 @ 6:18 PM ET
Brace yourself Chicago...

...from Panarin's twitter feed he likes motorcycles and firearms. Le'ts hope he doesn't mix his hobbies with alcohol.

- ArlingtonRob

Some pro contracts have riders written into them prohibiting various activities such as riding motorcycles.
MexicoHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.25.2012

Aug 25 @ 6:20 PM ET
Thanks Mexico. Any idea when Hawks might make other deals with camp less than 3 weeks away?
- ikeane



They have deals in place that they could move on tomorrow, but they don't really solve their Cap problems and they can't do a thing anyways until such time that they know what is going to happen with Kane. Right now the Hawks have to make room for Kruger and another DMan. That means that Bickell and more than likely Versteeg have to go...or do they? What I was told two days ago is that the Hawks are confident that a suspended Kane (either by the team or the league) won't count against the Cap. If a decision by the authorities within the next 3 weeks emerges that they will not press charges against Kane, and that he has reached a settlement with the woman in question, then the situation will come to a head. The Hawks will have to do something with him, such as activate him...but to do that they would have to be under the Cap. So what is MOST likely to occur is that the Hawks will suspend Kane until such time that he is "free" TO BE TRADED. Reasonably, the Hawks could expect to save between $3 and $4 million in dealing Kane and could thus use some of the perceived Cap space to fill out the roster.

The sad fact is, the Hawks in their current predicament are "better off" suspending and then trading Kane than they are to dress him (which I don't think the NHL would allow anyways). Plus, any deals that traded away Bickell and Versteeg as the only roster principals, would only create enough room to sign Kruger to a frugal one year deal and likely not enough space for a 7th DMan! Its only by getting "creative" and moving a Core player that the Hawks create the necessary room to finish their roster and have breathing room.

Bowman already has had a rough summer, the Kane mess has turned it into a nightmare...but its something that Bowman has the opportunity to redirect into a positive by moving Kane. Again, this is not what I personally would have wanted, but it does address a massive problem for the Hawks now and moving forward.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Aug 25 @ 6:24 PM ET
Seems like you are just a quick to jump to conclusions based on rumors.......just like anyone hanging him before anything concrete. Just the opposite assumption.
- carcus


read my previous posts. All said that judgement should be reserved until charges, or the lack thereof, are made...read back then comment on my input to the discussion. That group of people came her for one purpose, to attack anyone who defended 88 and to cause a ruckus with Hawk fans. Also, every post, whether explicitly stated or implied, painted Kane as a rapist. There have STILL been no charges and now this "article" stating he will likely not be charged.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Aug 25 @ 6:24 PM ET
Patrick Kane approached the London Knights to work out with them and they asked him not to show up. if he's not charged I sure hope how quickly people will distance themselves from him teaches him something.
Dannyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.25.2010

Aug 25 @ 6:25 PM ET
They have deals in place that they could move on tomorrow, but they don't really solve their Cap problems and they can't do a thing anyways until such time that they know what is going to happen with Kane. Right now the Hawks have to make room for Kruger and another DMan. That means that Bickell and more than likely Versteeg have to go...or do they? What I was told two days ago is that the Hawks are confident that a suspended Kane (either by the team or the league) won't count against the Cap. If a decision by the authorities within the next 3 weeks emerges that they will not press charges against Kane, and that he has reached a settlement with the woman in question, then the situation will come to a head. The Hawks will have to do something with him, such as activate him...but to do that they would have to be under the Cap. So what is MOST likely to occur is that the Hawks will suspend Kane until such time that he is "free" TO BE TRADED. Reasonably, the Hawks could expect to save between $3 and $4 million in dealing Kane and could thus use some of the perceived Cap space to fill out the roster.

The sad fact is, the Hawks in their current predicament are "better off" suspending and then trading Kane than they are to dress him (which I don't think the NHL would allow anyways). Plus, any deals that traded away Bickell and Versteeg as the only roster principals, would only create enough room to sign Kruger to a frugal one year deal and likely not enough space for a 7th DMan! Its only by getting "creative" and moving a Core player that the Hawks create the necessary room to finish their roster and have breathing room.

Bowman already has had a rough summer, the Kane mess has turned it into a nightmare...but its something that Bowman has the opportunity to redirect into a positive by moving Kane. Again, this is not what I personally would have wanted, but it does address a massive problem for the Hawks now and moving forward.

- MexicoHawk


What kind of deals do they have in place for Bickell and/or Versteeg?

Outside of the proposed and way to early to tell Winnipeg return for Kane, what could be reasonably expected for a Kane trade if that were to happen?
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Aug 25 @ 6:26 PM ET
Blind squirrels Rob! Blind. Squirrels. And nuts.
- Marlowe



I appreciate the dig Marlowe. I'm a B1G graduate and very far from a blind squirrel. SportsMockery, however credible or not they may be, have been ahead of the story from the beginning. I am very happy with this "report" and all the name calling and insulting of my intelligence cannot bring me down this afternoon. Patrick Kane is going to be a Blackhawk and he is also very likely not a rapist! That is all that matters to me!!
EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Aug 25 @ 6:27 PM ET
I don't think so...perhaps you are undervaluing Buff and you're not aware of Lowry's size and skills as a Centre...he played the role of 3rd line Centre last season (his first) and scored 11 goals while being a + skater. This isn't a poor return at all, and is likely what the Hawks are looking at.
- MexicoHawk


I must be undervaluing Lowry because although I didn't see Winnipeg a bunch last year - I don't recall coming away thinking Lowry was anything more than a serviceable bottom-6 player. He's also on the last year of his ELC so he'll need a bump in salary the following year.

And I'd love to get Buf back but I don't think he is a stellar defender, especially now that they've tightened up Pronger-type crease clearing which Buf would be very good at.

I have no idea what kind of return Kane would bring - I'm still holding out hope that somehow he'll still be playing for the beloved - but Buf/Lowry does not "wow" me.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Aug 25 @ 6:28 PM ET
Patrick Kane approached the London Knights to work out with them and they asked him not to show up. if he's not charged I sure hope how quickly people will distance themselves from him teaches him something.
- paulr



If he doesn't "tone it down" after this episode, he never will.....
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Aug 25 @ 6:29 PM ET
I appreciate the dig Marlowe. I'm a B1G graduate and very far from a blind squirrel. SportsMockery, however credible or not they may be, have been ahead of the story from the beginning. I am very happy with this "report" and all the name calling and insulting of my intelligence cannot bring me down this afternoon. Patrick Kane is going to be a Blackhawk and he is also very likely not a rapist! That is all that matters to me!!
- EnzoD

Do you just want to see him not charged or do you want justice to prevail?
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Aug 25 @ 6:29 PM ET
And has also had "insider" information throughout this process. KANE IS GOING NOWHERE!!!!
- EnzoD


The article says: Kane will be cleared because of lack of evidence indicating a rape occurred. The alleged victim has been informed and is hysterical crying.

Investigators called the alleged victims lawyers last night , said not enough evidence to charge Kane “at this time” they will continue to investigate to see if any other leads or witnesses come forward.


I doubt the DA's office will "clear" Kane, especially looking at the second paragraph comment about "at this time" and "continue to investigate".

Again the article says: Kane and an investigator from the District Attorney’s Office recently met (report doesn’t say it was recent, but it reads as such). It would presumably be to inform Kane that there’s a lack of evidence. However, none of this has been verified.

I doubt the DA investigator would reference a lack of evidence in a conversation with a subject of the investigation.

I suspect Kane will not be charged, but also not "cleared" - the unfortunate result of most (from what I've read) rape allegations in these here United States - we will never know the truth - and Wirtz/McD/Bowman will have to make decisions with only vague and unsettled facts.
EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Aug 25 @ 6:31 PM ET
Not sure if it was shared
#16 Chico Maki passes away, a good player

- Cup-Bearer


This saddens me. Good ole #16 was my favorite player when I first started following the Hawks in the mid-60's.
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