But what I am hearing consistently is that there is a very real possibility Kane has played his last game in a Hawk sweater, or if he does play in Chicago this season, it will not be for long.
So if nothing changes in the next 3 weeks is Kane on the ice when Camp Opens?
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But what I am hearing consistently is that there is a very real possibility Kane has played his last game in a Hawk sweater, or if he does play in Chicago this season, it will not be for long.
So if nothing changes in the next 3 weeks is Kane on the ice when Camp Opens? - Colbyboy
Highly unlikely.
Scott Levin (@ScottLevinWGRZ)
8/24/15, 6:57 PM
A source with knowledge of the #patrickkane investigation repeats... NO settlement talks have taken place. Period. @WGRZ
But what I am hearing consistently is that there is a very real possibility Kane has played his last game in a Hawk sweater, or if he does play in Chicago this season, it will not be for long.
So if nothing changes in the next 3 weeks is Kane on the ice when Camp Opens? - Colbyboy
I'd expect that the NHL will treat this as they treated Voynov and Kane won't be allowed to play until it's resolved one way or the other.
As easily seen from my writing, I am a little drunk tonight. I mean no disrespect to anyone. I am just sick of hearing trade Kane even if he is innocent. Listen to that last sentence and tell me how it makes sense for a player that has brought us this much joy as sports fans. If he is innocent - LuckyStrikeW
Lucky, ease up there, big fella.
I am not saying they should trade Kane. There is a scenario out there where he stays and it's great for him and the team.
I AM saying I believe they may have to make a business decision that some fans just won't accept.
I think Kane's problem is not drinking but his influence of friends who he hangs with. Going forward he will need to part ways with his posse. - roenick
In the 90's I was in charge of a 3 man crew. Young man was assigned to my crew, 5 to 6 times a year we'd have to go on the road for 5 to 10 days. Never seen anything like it as soon as he would taste alcohol he wouldn't stop drinking and act like a complete idiot, I felt like a baby sitter. In that time he's lost a couple of teeth, got into a couple of fights and was arrested. I myself would enjoy a couple of drinks maybe a game of pool or darts but after the 3rd time out with him and the same reckless behavior we stopped going out for drinks. Others would hear these rumors of him so they would ask to have him for a road trip and they'd pull me aside and say we thought you were exaggerating, he's out of control. When I hear of Kane I always think of this kid I had on my crew
Scott Levin (@ScottLevinWGRZ)
8/24/15, 6:57 PM
A source with knowledge of the #patrickkane investigation repeats... NO settlement talks have taken place. Period. @WGRZ - walleyeb1
I wonder if any talks will happen until the results of the police investigation are known, they should be available soon, no?
Wow, you must have been fun to chill with in your 20's. Midnight huh? Ok grandpa, as most of us would say. Nobody had millions to gain off of my friend like they do with Kane. He would be the perfect target because of his background.. Like I said. I reserve judgement, but I hate you guys trading him already with no proof. For what we know, in your twenties, would you have gone home from a bar with a 21ish year old cheerleader. Go f yourself if you said no. - LuckyStrikeW
If I had that kind of scratch I'd be pretty paranoid about randoms at the bar. I'd also argue that, around 10 weeks from training camp, the off season programme should be kicking into tune up gear so the window for late nights and questionable decision making has closed.
All for going out and getting tooled up when the occasion calls for it but if the season starts in October then the beginning of August \ end of July is when its time to go back to being a professional athlete so customers like us can be entertained as much as possible by the on ice product.
If paid like best player in the league
Then ought to behave as such
Else there is a problem
Not that difficult to be an adult. Should not be that difficult for a 26 year old with all the help, resources, and money in the world to get priorities straight. Guilty or not this is a preposterous situation to be in.
Do you not realize people like you are what are pushing the brass to make their decision? If he isn't guilty, f you, and sorry because JJ is my favorite Hawks writer, but f him too for painting the portrait black. If he is innocent, if, which I hope to god he is, he did nothing wrong. Someone took advantage of him and his past. You all are deciding he is guilty with no proof. Deciding he once again did something wrong, when there are guaranteed cases of extortion. If he is being extorted and it has gone this far, wouldn't you think the criminal would prey on a man with a background. This is all hypothetical because like I have said before, if he is guilty f him. Let him rot, but his past also makes him an easy target. Say he did do what he should have, went home before he was blacked out, didn't rape the girl. He did nothing wrong and you guys paint the picture. The picture the brass sees and decides on. You know nothing as I know nothing and anyone jumping to conclusions or to Kanes future are despicable. If he is innocent, wait for it, if he is guilty, wait for it. He didnt do anything wrong if he is innocent, except for his past. And JJ, I respect you a lot as a hawks writer. I really mean no disrespect, I have had one of my best friends growing up wrongly accused and reserve judgment until it deserves to be made. As much as I believe everyone else should. He shouldn't be cast away if he is right. Only if he is wrong. - LuckyStrikeW
There's a bigger picture here than innocence versus guilt. Not such a sharp line. Athletes are targets in some ways, based on their money, their celebrity, their youth and inexperience. All athletes, and especially stars, need to conduct themselves with a certain level of care, skepticism. That's the price they pay for their huge salaries. Is that fair...who cares...we could argue either side, but fair doesnt matter, it is simply reality. Athletes like Kane are taught to use a condom and to take the condom with them when they leave. crazy world.
Even if Kane is 100% innocent of rape or anything close to rape, he is 100% guilty of not following the special rules that athletes like him are required to follow. The mere fact that he is in this pickle is an indictment of his acceptance of the responsibility and his ability to manage his image. The Blackhawks have made a $70+ million salary investment in his hockey ability. But their investment in him as the face (w Toews) of the franchise is worth more than that. Chevy and other advertisers have made huge investments in him. With those investments (and the cash in his pocket) come the responsibility for Kane to manage his image, avoid situations like this.
Through multiple examples, he has shown that investing in his image is a risky investment for the Hawks and advertisers. Forget about pure hockey. Pure hockey, he was worth a $70m contract last year, and is still worth $70m today. Open your mind to the rest. If you were running Chevy's advertising, would you continue to invest in Kane's image, continue to take that risk? If you're the Blackhawks, do you continue to promote Kane as the face of your franchise?
That's the "business decision" to which JJ and Mex are alluding. You and I are only interested in Kane as a hockey talent. I'd hate to lose the fun I have watching him. But to the Hawks, his hockey ability is only a part of the overall picture. And it is a FACT that he's personally responsible for making himself a risky investment for the Hawks going forward.
If I had that kind of scratch I'd be pretty paranoid about randoms at the bar. - fattybeef
These kids get a lot of orientation and "guidance". They are warned about randoms at the bar many times.
My nephew played a few games for the Guelph Storm and even he was warned about puck bunnies out to take advantage of him. I can only imagine how much these guys get warned when they are actually multi-millionaires.
Sorry about your friend. I doubt he's being paid $10.5mil to play hockey and steer clear of potential hand grenades off the ice.
Kane is and people can keep saying what was he supposed to do, but the fact is when someone makes that kind of invetment in you, I think it's incumbent upon you to err on the side of caution. So yes...go home by midnight minus the girl. No judgement but in the immortal words of Ben Stern, "Don't be stupid ya moron"
That's directed at Kaner just so there's no confusion. - HawkintheD
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Aug 25 @ 10:25 AM ET
Lucky, ease up there, big fella.
I am not saying they should trade Kane. There is a scenario out there where he stays and it's great for him and the team.
I AM saying I believe they may have to make a business decision that some fans just won't accept. - John Jaeckel
I agree. That business decision will be made by an assessment of his value to the organization - on ice and off ice. The Hawks are not judge and jury and their decision will not be governed by the concept of innocent until proven guilty. They are an employer and their decision will be governed by the CBA and Kane's contract. That allows them the right to terminate his contract if they feel he has breached it (subject to a right to appeal by Kane and the PA or trade him (subject to any NTC). It also provides the League the right to suspend him (again, subject to appeal).
I agree. That business decision will be made by an assessment of his value to the organization - on ice and off ice. The Hawks are not judge and jury and their decision will not be governed by the concept of innocent until proven guilty. They are an employer and their decision will be governed by the CBA and Kane's contract. That allows them the right to terminate his contract if they feel he has breached it (subject to a right to appeal by Kane and the PA or trade him (subject to any NTC). It also provides the League the right to suspend him (again, subject to appeal). - Canada Cup
No way in hell they terminate his contract. Why would they?
They won't get full hockey value in a trade, but they'll get at least 1 very good piece and probably more. They won't terminate and let him walk for nothing except cap space.
These kids get a lot of orientation and "guidance". They are warned about randoms at the bar many times.
My nephew played a few games for the Guelph Storm and even he was warned about puck bunnies out to take advantage of him. I can only imagine how much these guys get warned when they are actually multi-millionaires. - Interloper
Anything like the "Guidance" provided by Cris Carter & Warren Sapp to NFL rookies?
In the 90's I was in charge of a 3 man crew. Young man was assigned to my crew, 5 to 6 times a year we'd have to go on the road for 5 to 10 days. Never seen anything like it as soon as he would taste alcohol he wouldn't stop drinking and act like a complete idiot, I felt like a baby sitter. In that time he's lost a couple of teeth, got into a couple of fights and was arrested. I myself would enjoy a couple of drinks maybe a game of pool or darts but after the 3rd time out with him and the same reckless behavior we stopped going out for drinks. Others would hear these rumors of him so they would ask to have him for a road trip and they'd pull me aside and say we thought you were exaggerating, he's out of control. When I hear of Kane I always think of this kid I had on my crew - BetweenTheDots
I say this as someone who has dealt with alcoholics in all phases of my life and recently quite a bit in clinical settings . . . there are varying degrees. Some, like this kid, it's almost like an allergic reaction/complete physical transformation. Others more subtle, harder to notice.
Generally, the common denominators are regular drunkenness when drinking (duh), but alcoholics have a very hard to impossible time drinking without getting somewhat intoxicated. They have a hard time just stopping at 1-2. Some simply can't. Some can but it is literally a physical struggle, and generally, when they can do so, they will imbibe freely to the point of intoxication.
They will promise to cut down or quit, repeatedly, and never do it or maintain it.
Those are alcoholics. And yes, generally, over time, they will have consequences. Job loss, DUI, fights, divorces, etc.
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Aug 25 @ 10:44 AM ET
No way in hell they terminate his contract. Why would they?
They won't get full hockey value in a trade, but they'll get at least 1 very good piece and probably more. They won't terminate and let him walk for nothing except cap space. - Interloper
I'm not suggesting they would (at least not now). I just set out what their options are. But play out the worst case scenario:
He is charged and the alleged victim decides not to pursue a settlement. (League could suspend him.)
He is found guilty. (Hawks terminate.)
Kings showed that you can terminate even before any charges are laid. But in that case it was someone they wanted to dump and PA is appealing.
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Aug 25 @ 11:02 AM ET
I'm not suggesting they would (at least not now). I just set out what their options are. But play out the worst case scenario:
He is charged and the alleged victim decides not to pursue a settlement. (League could suspend him.)
He is found guilty. (Hawks terminate.)
Kings showed that you can terminate even before any charges are laid. But in that case it was someone they wanted to dump and PA is appealing. - Canada Cup
A lot of people early on in this thread were talking about termination.
I don't see where that would ever be on the table, unless Kane is sentenced to a long prison term. Even then, there is probably already cap relief for that, I would think?
