Campbell came before the move to contention. Go take a look at the top prospect lists in hockey back in 11 and 12 and see where those players are now - particularly the "top" goalie prospects. Go back even further if you'd like.

Chevy has the luxury of quality and quantity of prospects. If you think he plans on developing even half of those prospects you are naive. Not only doesn't he have the time. He doesn't have enough contract slots. He will parlay some of those prospects and/or future picks into NHL help. It is just a matter of when.
- tredbrta

Really? Campbell wasn't signed after Toews and Kane had great rookie seasons and the Hawks had a pulse for the first time since about 1995?

So the Jets should parlay a top-ten pick like Ehlers into what? Brian Bickell? As the vig on a Pavelec/Crawford swap? Or the Canes should trade Hanifin, a player that many say is #1-overall-caliber just to get out from under Skinner's contract?

DA’s office, Hamburg cops meet with Kane as rape investigation progresses

http://mobile.buffalonews...ation-progresses-20150824
- walleyeb1

And so it continues...

apparently the meeting took place at Kane's lawyer's office with him (his lawyer present)...

So wll spoken about the loss of our liberty and the clowns running our government and the media willing to go along with these power mongers. Back to Hockey, I also believe that Kaner has played his last game in Chicago. Alcohol addiction, is very hard to conquer. I think the Hawks organization have been burned by Kaner's drinking episodes once to often...a trade is their only prudent option. Let's hope the incident is settled out of court and Patrick takes hold of his young life and starts out fresh with a new team. It is " now or never " for Kane to admit his vices and commit to serious life changes. I will be praying for him.
- spanky

I think Kane's problem is not drinking but his influence of friends who he hangs with. Going forward he will need to part ways with his posse.

I think Kane's problem is not drinking but his influence of friends who he hangs with. Going forward he will need to part ways with his posse.
- roenick

I'm thinking you're right on.

I think Kane's problem is not drinking but his influence of friends who he hangs with. Going forward he will need to part ways with his posse.
- roenick

He should be spending a lot more time with Toews, Aubrey Marcus, Keith, and some of the other Onnit athletes.

Might it depend on the outcome of the case?

An extended jail sentence for sexual assault might contravene whatever "morals clause" the SPC had; while an exoneration or no charges being laid would make it difficult.
- ght120

You guys are all looking at it from a joe Fan prospective, innocent or not, THE HAWK BRASS AND JOHN MCDONOUGH HAVE SEEN ENOUGH regarding his off ice stuff. They will make a decision based on what is for the good of the organization as a whole for the long term. The fans "wing & a prayer" for Patrick Kane might not work this time.
I"m getting that feeling he's a goner shortly after this is resolved.
Just saw the news& understand I am a lay person when it comes to the law,but it is my understanding that if the cases was unfounded they would find no need to bring him into talk to him.that was not the cases here ,his rear end is probably a little tighter tonite.

I think Kane's problem is not drinking but his influence of friends who he hangs with. Going forward he will need to part ways with his posse.
- roenick

He might get that chance

You guys are all looking at it from a joe Fan prospective, innocent or not, THE HAWK BRASS AND JOHN MCDONOUGH HAVE SEEN ENOUGH regarding his off ice stuff. They will make a decision based on what is for the good of the organization as a whole for the long term. The fans "wing & a prayer" for Patrick Kane might not work this time.
I"m getting that feeling he's a goner shortly after this is resolved.
Just saw the news& understand I am a lay person when it comes to the law,but it is my understanding that if the cases was unfounded they would find no need to bring him into talk to him.that was not the cases here ,his rear end is probably a little tighter tonite.
- wonthecup10

Don't read anything into him meeting with the cops / prosecutor either way. They are going to do a thorough investigation and that means talking to both parties and all witnesses. And the cops and the DA work together a lot and I'd imagine given the incredibly high profile of this investigation they will be working very closely together.

Really? Campbell wasn't signed after Toews and Kane had great rookie seasons and the Hawks had a pulse for the first time since about 1995?

So the Jets should parlay a top-ten pick like Ehlers into what? Brian Bickell? As the vig on a Pavelec/Crawford swap? Or the Canes should trade Hanifin, a player that many say is #1-overall-caliber just to get out from under Skinner's contract?
- Snowblind

Relax. You haven't made your point and you never will because you can't. Saw the same know it all responses when Leddy was rumored going to NYI at the 14 draft.

Hanifin is obviously close to untouchable. No need to project a single poster's suggestion of Hanifin as general opinion. Saad and Dano were probably pretty close to untouchable at the end of the season. The fact is anything is possible and you have no idea where Chevy's head is so stop pretending you do.

"Vig"? Lock up getting internet now? Man, know it all NYers!

Bickell/Skinner mentioned as a straight up trade once anywhere? Link to it. Most would assume it would take some other assets with Bickell. The Hawks have enough to get it done.

Also, Campbell was signed before the Hawks were even remotely in contention. He was as much of a PR move as a step into contention. His signing was a statement that they had turned a corner and management admitted as much at the time.

Don't read anything into him meeting with the cops / prosecutor either way. They are going to do a thorough investigation and that means talking to both parties and all witnesses. And the cops and the DA work together a lot and I'd imagine given the incredibly high profile of this investigation they will be working very closely together.
- Marlowe

Kane would have been well within his right to refuse to even speak to them. What it means that he did? Who knows.

You guys are all looking at it from a joe Fan prospective, innocent or not, THE HAWK BRASS AND JOHN MCDONOUGH HAVE SEEN ENOUGH regarding his off ice stuff. They will make a decision based on what is for the good of the organization as a whole for the long term. The fans "wing & a prayer" for Patrick Kane might not work this time.
I"m getting that feeling he's a goner shortly after this is resolved.
Just saw the news& understand I am a lay person when it comes to the law,but it is my understanding that if the cases was unfounded they would find no need to bring him into talk to him.that was not the cases here ,his rear end is probably a little tighter tonite.
- wonthecup10

He's only a goner if they indict him, its not going to happen. Some say I'm in denial, some say he had issues in 2012 and if they didn't trade him then, they are not going to trade him now. Kane allegedly has a drinking problem who just cost himself several million dollars. Alcoholics unfortunately have to learn things the hard way several times. I see an AA meeting in his future

All I know is what I read on the Internet with regard to Kane. I see the words "alcoholic" and "alcohol addiction" associated with him. I'm not sure that's accurate. It could be, but I really don't know anything about the frequency of his use. What is known is that when he has gotten into trouble - and it's a pattern with him - he's always been drinking. That's a problem.

And, from a psychotherapeutic perspective, his drinking is as much a "solution" for him as it is a problem. What I mean is that there is something that drives him to drink and then get in trouble. He needs to deal with the underlying issue or issues. Maybe the daily individual and group therapy offered at a rehab center would provide the support he needs for that.

But, on the road to recovery, there are often set backs. The Blackhawks don't want to deal with another "event" of Kane being in the news after drinking.

You guys are all looking at it from a joe Fan prospective, innocent or not, THE HAWK BRASS AND JOHN MCDONOUGH HAVE SEEN ENOUGH regarding his off ice stuff. They will make a decision based on what is for the good of the organization as a whole for the long term. The fans "wing & a prayer" for Patrick Kane might not work this time.
I"m getting that feeling he's a goner shortly after this is resolved.
Just saw the news& understand I am a lay person when it comes to the law,but it is my understanding that if the cases was unfounded they would find no need to bring him into talk to him.that was not the cases here ,his rear end is probably a little tighter tonite.
- wonthecup10

Do you not realize people like you are what are pushing the brass to make their decision? If he isn't guilty, f you, and sorry because JJ is my favorite Hawks writer, but f him too for painting the portrait black. If he is innocent, if, which I hope to god he is, he did nothing wrong. Someone took advantage of him and his past. You all are deciding he is guilty with no proof. Deciding he once again did something wrong, when there are guaranteed cases of extortion. If he is being extorted and it has gone this far, wouldn't you think the criminal would prey on a man with a background. This is all hypothetical because like I have said before, if he is guilty f him. Let him rot, but his past also makes him an easy target. Say he did do what he should have, went home before he was blacked out, didn't rape the girl. He did nothing wrong and you guys paint the picture. The picture the brass sees and decides on. You know nothing as I know nothing and anyone jumping to conclusions or to Kanes future are despicable. If he is innocent, wait for it, if he is guilty, wait for it. He didnt do anything wrong if he is innocent, except for his past. And JJ, I respect you a lot as a hawks writer. I really mean no disrespect, I have had one of my best friends growing up wrongly accused and reserve judgment until it deserves to be made. As much as I believe everyone else should. He shouldn't be cast away if he is right. Only if he is wrong.

As easily seen from my writing, I am a little drunk tonight. I mean no disrespect to anyone. I am just sick of hearing trade Kane even if he is innocent. Listen to that last sentence and tell me how it makes sense for a player that has brought us this much joy as sports fans. If he is innocent

I'm sorry but I just don't think so.....

Ur asking for 3 #1 picks plus add $10.4m..... and try to sign JT in a couple of years....??? Ummm no, might want to try again....
- Ur Not Me

Ok, so you want to play the draft position game. I can do that, too. So, you want to trade the number 1 overall pick, who's 26 and in his prime for...Okposo and Strait?

Winning teams need multiple stars, so thinking Tavares is the only guy who's gonna get paid on a winner, is a bit hopeful, my friend.

A month ago, most NYI fans would want their team to jump at the idea of acquiring 88, but because of the allegations you think a bargain basement price is coming? It's Patrick Fricken Kane. Game changer all day long.

Why would a team trade Calder Trophy winning defenseman for a guy making ten times as much money? The Panthers would never trade Ekblad for Kane even if he didn't have legal problems because this is a salary-cap league.
- Snowblind

Really, this is a salary cap league? I thought it was a winning championships-type league?

Hawks - 3 Cups in 6 years with interesting cap situations or...

Teams with lots of cap space and ZERO cups?

I'll take the parades, please.

Do you not realize people like you are what are pushing the brass to make their decision? If he isn't guilty, f you, and sorry because JJ is my favorite Hawks writer, but f him too for painting the portrait black. If he is innocent, if, which I hope to god he is, he did nothing wrong. Someone took advantage of him and his past. You all are deciding he is guilty with no proof. Deciding he once again did something wrong, when there are guaranteed cases of extortion. If he is being extorted and it has gone this far, wouldn't you think the criminal would prey on a man with a background. This is all hypothetical because like I have said before, if he is guilty f him. Let him rot, but his past also makes him an easy target. Say he did do what he should have, went home before he was blacked out, didn't rape the girl. He did nothing wrong and you guys paint the picture. The picture the brass sees and decides on. You know nothing as I know nothing and anyone jumping to conclusions or to Kanes future are despicable. If he is innocent, wait for it, if he is guilty, wait for it. He didnt do anything wrong if he is innocent, except for his past. And JJ, I respect you a lot as a hawks writer. I really mean no disrespect, I have had one of my best friends growing up wrongly accused and reserve judgment until it deserves to be made. As much as I believe everyone else should. He shouldn't be cast away if he is right. Only if he is wrong.
- LuckyStrikeW

Sorry about your friend. I doubt he's being paid $10.5mil to play hockey and steer clear of potential hand grenades off the ice.

Kane is and people can keep saying what was he supposed to do, but the fact is when someone makes that kind of invetment in you, I think it's incumbent upon you to err on the side of caution. So yes...go home by midnight minus the girl. No judgement but in the immortal words of Ben Stern, "Don't be stupid ya moron"

That's directed at Kaner just so there's no confusion.

Do you not realize people like you are what are pushing the brass to make their decision? If he isn't guilty
- LuckyStrikeW

You can pretty much stop your statement at this point though. Kane is guilty. Kane is guilty of putting himself into situations which make himself, and thus the team, look bad; while all his team mates are able to avoid doing so. Kane is guilty of backing the team into a corner, where regardless of the outcome of the current investigation, if he were to get say a DUI in a couple years, the reaction would be "Well all the signs were there, but Blackhawks didn't do what it took to correct his behavior because he was good at hockey" and the black-eye to the organization would last decades. Kane is guilty of making promises to avoid off-ice issues then failing to do so, thus de-valuing anything he could promise now.

Kane may or may not be guilty of a felony. But Blackhawks already know he is guilty of certain things, and what I get from JJ's blogs is that what he is guilty of might be enough for the organization to move on.


We all hated the Red Wings when they were good. But there was a begrudging respect from many of us, their rivals; that stemmed mainly from how classy certain players were. Lidstrom. Yzerman. Blackhawks already have that mother (expletive) Toews, who is on the path towards retiring as one of the NHL's classiest players. (As a Blues fan, I hope it's tomorrow to go play baseball or something. Pretty please?) What JJ's blog suggests is that for Blackhawks, it's not enough to win; they want to do so in a way that oozes class, and they view Kane as an impediment to that. I don't think that's something that should be looked down upon by Blackhawk's fans so quickly.

Besides, watch you (expletive)'s trade Kane then go out and sign (expletive)ing Stamkos and be better anyways. Sigh.

Do you not realize people like you are what are pushing the brass to make their decision? If he isn't guilty, f you, and sorry because JJ is my favorite Hawks writer, but f him too for painting the portrait black. If he is innocent, if, which I hope to god he is, he did nothing wrong. Someone took advantage of him and his past. You all are deciding he is guilty with no proof. Deciding he once again did something wrong, when there are guaranteed cases of extortion. If he is being extorted and it has gone this far, wouldn't you think the criminal would prey on a man with a background. This is all hypothetical because like I have said before, if he is guilty f him. Let him rot, but his past also makes him an easy target. Say he did do what he should have, went home before he was blacked out, didn't rape the girl. He did nothing wrong and you guys paint the picture. The picture the brass sees and decides on. You know nothing as I know nothing and anyone jumping to conclusions or to Kanes future are despicable. If he is innocent, wait for it, if he is guilty, wait for it. He didnt do anything wrong if he is innocent, except for his past. And JJ, I respect you a lot as a hawks writer. I really mean no disrespect, I have had one of my best friends growing up wrongly accused and reserve judgment until it deserves to be made. As much as I believe everyone else should. He shouldn't be cast away if he is right. Only if he is wrong.
- LuckyStrikeW

Very well said
I personally hope he's innocent for selfish reasons because he is the most exciting player to watch in the NHL and I want him on my favorite team

Sorry about your friend. I doubt he's being paid $10.5mil to play hockey and steer clear of potential hand grenades off the ice.

Kane is and people can keep saying what was he supposed to do, but the fact is when someone makes that kind of invetment in you, I think it's incumbent upon you to err on the side of caution. So yes...go home by midnight minus the girl. No judgement but in the immortal words of Ben Stern, "Don't be stupid ya moron"

That's directed at Kaner just so there's no confusion.
- HawkintheD

Wow, you must have been fun to chill with in your 20's. Midnight huh? Ok grandpa, as most of us would say. Nobody had millions to gain off of my friend like they do with Kane. He would be the perfect target because of his background.. Like I said. I reserve judgement, but I hate you guys trading him already with no proof. For what we know, in your twenties, would you have gone home from a bar with a 21ish year old cheerleader. Go f yourself if you said no.

You can pretty much stop your statement at this point though. Kane is guilty. Kane is guilty of putting himself into situations which make himself, and thus the team, look bad; while all his team mates are able to avoid doing so. Kane is guilty of backing the team into a corner, where regardless of the outcome of the current investigation, if he were to get say a DUI in a couple years, the reaction would be "Well all the signs were there, but Blackhawks didn't do what it took to correct his behavior because he was good at hockey" and the black-eye to the organization would last decades. Kane is guilty of making promises to avoid off-ice issues then failing to do so, thus de-valuing anything he could promise now.

Kane may or may not be guilty of a felony. But Blackhawks already know he is guilty of certain things, and what I get from JJ's blogs is that what he is guilty of might be enough for the organization to move on.


We all hated the Red Wings when they were good. But there was a begrudging respect from many of us, their rivals; that stemmed mainly from how classy certain players were. Lidstrom. Yzerman. Blackhawks already have that mother (expletive) Toews, who is on the path towards retiring as one of the NHL's classiest players. (As a Blues fan, I hope it's tomorrow to go play baseball or something. Pretty please?) What JJ's blog suggests is that for Blackhawks, it's not enough to win; they want to do so in a way that oozes class, and they view Kane as an impediment to that. I don't think that's something that should be looked down upon by Blackhawk's fans so quickly.

Besides, watch you (expletive)'s trade Kane then go out and sign (expletive)ing Stamkos and be better anyways. Sigh.
- Antilles

I don't have to read past your first couple sentences to say no. Good luck, given millions of dollars at his age, not taking home a gorgeous cheerleader from a bar. I've tried it and failed miserably, I'm sure you have too. He did what he could.

This isn't a good comparison at all. The differences in situation between a skilled laborer and an NHL player are too different to really say "yes" or "no." There is no real accurate comparison for pro sports because athletes only have the opportunity to make the max income in one league per country tops. European soccer is somewhat difference since there are so many high dollar value leagues across the continent, but still if you are talking country for country it's one league at the top of the food chain.

My point is Kane and other pro athletes need to be particularly careful about what they do and the situations they get in. If they get suspended or banned from the league there is not much else they can do but go play overseas for a fraction of the $. They agreed to that through the players association though, so it's not like it was "unfair." In exchange they receive the right to make millions of dollars assuming they keep their noses clean. Some guys get it, others (like Kane) don't. In any event, I'm 100% with JJ and firmly believe on excellent information that Kane has played his last game in a Hawks sweater.
- UCSB616

Electricians & plumbers are not skilled labourers. They are licensed & have qualified through years of study along with practical progression. But I digress, what you say is that there is only 1 league these guys can earn big $, ok, but they can still play in other leagues in North America as that is their 'profession'. The highly talented get big $, good luck to those guys, but they are still paid for their services rendered. Just because that get a criminal record (not talking Kane here as he hasn't been charged), why should that stop them from earning a living? I'm sure in some companies people found guilty of anything are fired as it goes against their code of conduct, but being fired from a company & being deregistered from your regulator are 2 massively different things. I just think it's unfair if any player pays his dues through lawful sanctions, he cannot be registered again, he should be able to continue if there is an organisation willing to take him in.

In regards to the organisation he was with when he committed the crime then I believe he must be terminated if found guilty & sanctioned by the NHL. I cannot understand how Voynov hasn't been terminated by the kings after Richards was without being arrested?? That's just asking for trouble in my opinion.

To further the point Hockey is "sports entertainment" and if a player does something to ruin the reputation of the franchise or league they will get banned. Why because they loose dollars. (people protest and stop watching)

The plumber gets fired and goes to another job and does work for people and they have no idea he was convicted or don't care.

One example is the Dixie Chicks bad mouthing the country they did not commit a crime but they ruined there reputation with country music fans and lost money.

So will Kane never play Hockey again? The question is will he ever make the amount of money he signed for again. He could end up in a Moscow men's league playing for vodka.
- DestinBlackhawk

Sports entertainment? It's an organisation that employs people (talking hockey organisations), from gear guys to the boss. All employed under whatever legislation governs their contracts. Any of those people jeopardise the organisations reputation they are all open for dismissal.

Plumbers getting arrested & legally sanctioned means they have police records. A lot of employers refer to police records before hiring, but a lot don't. The question is usually asked before employment starts - obviously high profile cases or news outlet worthy cases show the individuals & 'promote' their identity. Not sure how it works over there but that's what happens here.

How many AHL players have criminal records? How many NHL players?

I agree if Kane plays hockey after a guilty verdict his $ will be dramatically reduced. Russian Vodka is pretty good I'm led to believe (I actually have a bottle given to me by a Russian footy player that I played against - it is still unopened ).

Wow, you must have been fun to chill with in your 20's. Midnight huh? Ok grandpa, as most of us would say. Nobody had millions to gain off of my friend like they do with Kane. He would be the perfect target because of his background.. Like I said. I reserve judgement, but I hate you guys trading him already with no proof. For what we know, in your twenties, would you have gone home from a bar with a 21ish year old cheerleader. Go f yourself if you said no.
- LuckyStrikeW

I see you missed the point entirely but based on some of your other posts I won't pretend to be surprised.

If I wasn't married I'd go home with the 21ish y/o cheerleader now, though at 50, I might not make it til 3am anymore.

The point is and was, me (safe bet), you (safer bet) and others don't have millions riding on not only the game they love to play but also their public personnae (lost EA endorsement being first shoe to drop).

Even if Kane is at best completely absolved this is another fine mess that could have been avoided. I saw another guy on here say it, high priced escorts exist for a reason. Might have been a better way to keep his name out of the public eye if Kaner wanted to straighten out the crook in little Kaner.

I've said before I hope nothing happened. I don't want him gone because of guilt which hasn't been proven...there is still no charge yet. I think he should go because he's an idiot. Just my opinion but how many chances do you give this guy and how much of a distraction in the clubhouse do you think this will be to the other players who have somehow managed to stay out of the press during the 3 in 6 year run.

If you said no distraction at all well you can go...

Public schools still teach aspects of Science/Physics that Albert Einstein openly said he was WRONG about. Ever learn about Nikola Tesla or Francois Marie Voltaire in your classroom?
- MexicoHawk

Actually yes I did, starting as a HS freshman. Thanks for asking!