Kane should stay in Chicago, HB hawk fans deserve him I am sure everyone is chuckling as the Hawks disintegrate.
- flyerdude17

NBC isn't - Hawks are the face of the league - at least in the U.S. - right now - the big TV draw.

And Kane was a big part of that.

And if NBC is unhappy, Bettman and the other owners are unhappy.

NBC isn't - Hawks are the face of the league - at least in the U.S. - right now - the big TV draw.

And Kane was a big part of that.

And if NBC is unhappy, Bettman and the other owners are unhappy.
- StLBravesFan

No question the Hawks are the face of the league and are on national tv this season a what record 22-23 times. The Hawks and their starpower are a cashcow. Players people want to see play. Losing Kane is huge and a black mark not only on the Hawks but on the league right now.


Meantime we wait for training camp to draw near and the other shoe to drop.

Crawford last year
.924 / 227

Pav
.920 / 228

Yes i got the season series wrong, my bad, i guess i remember winning the first 3 and blocked out the last 2. Trust me, i know Chicago is way better than the Jets but the gap in these two goalies is not worth the Jets giving up an A+ prospect to get him or take his contarct when you have Hellybuck and Comrie.

yes Crawford has two rings, my point was so does Chris Osgood!! they are very similar goalies who are fortunate to have played on great teams.

Crawford last year
.924 / 227

Pav
.920 / 228

Yes i got the season series wrong, my bad, i guess i remember winning the first 3 and blocked out the last 2. Trust me, i know Chicago is way better than the Jets but the gap in these two goalies is not worth the Jets giving up an A+ prospect to get him or take his contarct when you have Hellybuck and Comrie.

yes Crawford has two rings, my point was so does Chris Osgood!! they are very similar goalies who are fortunate to have played on great teams.
- Ross77

Chicago was something like 33-0-0 (including play-offs) when leading after 2 periods.

During the regular season, the gave up the least number of goals (64) in the 3rd period and OT in the league - Winnipeg gave up 79.

Certainly, the Chicago defense had a lot to do with that - but so did Crawford. Usually, it's not really how many, but when goals are allowed that makes the difference: when the game is on the line, Chicago and its goalies came thru.

I can tell you unequivocally that she DOES NOT want this to go to trial.

If you ever sat in on one of these cases, or worked for an attorney finding information and witnesses against an accuser, you would know what I am talking about.

Women who choose to go to trial in rape cases are shocked at the witnesses that come forward from her past. It leaves them crying and ashamed in front of their families and friends. A defense attorney with the successful background like Kane's would tear this woman apart - and I am sure the attorney her family retained is telling her the exact same thing.
- dahawks8819

I'm sure it's an extremely painful experience, but there are some women willing to go through it. Sometimes it's equally important to find Justice.

Besides that, times have changed you'd have to be living under a rock not to know that. The rape shield laws have dramatically changed the nature of these case. Yes, it's still a dramatically painful experience, but not like it use to be.


What Are Rape Shield Laws?

Rape shield laws limit or prohibit the use of evidence of a victim's past sexual history to undermine that victim's credibility. The purpose of rape shield laws is to protect victims from the emotional distress of being cross-examined about their sexual history on the witness stand. Courts have stated that a victim's sexual history has little relevance and the humiliation and fear of being questioned about past sexual conduct will prevent victims of rape to come forward and pursue charges.

What Evidence Will Be Excluded?
Generally, rape shield laws will exclude any evidence that does not pertain directly to the sexual assault case at hand. This evidence can include:

Evidence regarding the victim's reputation: For example, rape shield laws will prevent a witness from testifying that the victim had a reputation for morally loose conduct.
Evidence of past sexual behavior not related to the rape accusation at hand: For example, the number of a victim's sexual partners usually cannot be brought in as evidence under the rape shield law.

I can tell you unequivocally that she DOES NOT want this to go to trial.

If you ever sat in on one of these cases, or worked for an attorney finding information and witnesses against an accuser, you would know what I am talking about.

Women who choose to go to trial in rape cases are shocked at the witnesses that come forward from her past. It leaves them crying and ashamed in front of their families and friends. A defense attorney with the successful background like Kane's would tear this woman apart - and I am sure the attorney her family retained is telling her the exact same thing.
- dahawks8819

Kane, the Blackhawks organization, and the NHL wouldn't want that scenario either. Having a star player's attorney shame an accuser is not good PR. It just adds to Kane's bad reputation. And, the prosecutor would likely go through a similar exercise against Kane. Does Kane / Blackhawks / NHL really want his past bad behavior recalled in every detail in open court? Not likely.

Not sure of the regulations for trades in your different states, but if an electrician in Cali gets done DUI & has a record, can't he still get another job in Cali (that's if his previous employer fired him)? He doesn't get banned from the whole USA??

This is what I'm saying for hockey players. You get fired by the Kings for DUI (depending on how good a player you are that probably won't happen if you have a reasonable cap hit ), you still should be able to play with SJ?
- Aussiepenguin

This isn't a good comparison at all. The differences in situation between a skilled laborer and an NHL player are too different to really say "yes" or "no." There is no real accurate comparison for pro sports because athletes only have the opportunity to make the max income in one league per country tops. European soccer is somewhat difference since there are so many high dollar value leagues across the continent, but still if you are talking country for country it's one league at the top of the food chain.

My point is Kane and other pro athletes need to be particularly careful about what they do and the situations they get in. If they get suspended or banned from the league there is not much else they can do but go play overseas for a fraction of the $. They agreed to that through the players association though, so it's not like it was "unfair." In exchange they receive the right to make millions of dollars assuming they keep their noses clean. Some guys get it, others (like Kane) don't. In any event, I'm 100% with JJ and firmly believe on excellent information that Kane has played his last game in a Hawks sweater.

I'm sure it's an extremely painful experience, but there are some women willing to go through it. Sometimes it's equally important to find Justice.

Besides that, times have changed you'd have to be living under a rock not to know that. The rape shield laws have dramatically changed the nature of these case. Yes, it's still a dramatically painful experience, but not like it use to be.


What Are Rape Shield Laws?

Rape shield laws limit or prohibit the use of evidence of a victim's past sexual history to undermine that victim's credibility. The purpose of rape shield laws is to protect victims from the emotional distress of being cross-examined about their sexual history on the witness stand. Courts have stated that a victim's sexual history has little relevance and the humiliation and fear of being questioned about past sexual conduct will prevent victims of rape to come forward and pursue charges.

What Evidence Will Be Excluded?
Generally, rape shield laws will exclude any evidence that does not pertain directly to the sexual assault case at hand. This evidence can include:

Evidence regarding the victim's reputation: For example, rape shield laws will prevent a witness from testifying that the victim had a reputation for morally loose conduct.
Evidence of past sexual behavior not related to the rape accusation at hand: For example, the number of a victim's sexual partners usually cannot be brought in as evidence under the rape shield law.
- walleyeb1

Rape shield laws provide a measure of protection but a lot of evidence can still get in depending on the state, Judge, DA and nature of the case. I would guess her lawyer is providing specific advice on what to expect.

I wonder what, if any evidence on Kane's past deeds might be considered relevant and introduced if there is a trial - allegedly choking a girl who rebuffed his advances. If there are other things that the Hawks know about but we're never made public this must be making them very nervous.

Rape shield laws provide a measure of protection but a lot of evidence can still get in depending on the state, Judge, DA and nature of the case. I would guess her lawyer is providing specific advice on what to expect.

I wonder what, if any evidence on Kane's past deeds might be considered relevant and introduced if there is a trial - allegedly choking a girl who rebuffed his advances. If there are other things that the Hawks know about but we're never made public this must be making them very nervous.
- Canada Cup

Rules of evidence generally prevent past acts of a defendant from being admissible - with limited exceptions for certain specific purposes. You can't use past history to generally show he's a bad guy for example.

Rape shield laws provide a measure of protection but a lot of evidence can still get in depending on the state, Judge, DA and nature of the case. I would guess her lawyer is providing specific advice on what to expect.

I wonder what, if any evidence on Kane's past deeds might be considered relevant and introduced if there is a trial - allegedly choking a girl who rebuffed his advances. If there are other things that the Hawks know about but we're never made public this must be making them very nervous.
- Canada Cup

We won't know till the trial, if ever, will we?

Rules of evidence generally prevent past acts of a defendant from being admissible - with limited exceptions for certain specific purposes. You can't use past history to generally show he's a bad guy for example.
- Marlowe

In Canada, similar act hearings are needed to demonstrate relevance and they need to be pretty specific. Not sure how things work there

We won't know till the trial, if ever, will we?
- paulr

No!

This isn't a good comparison at all. The differences in situation between a skilled laborer and an NHL player are too different to really say "yes" or "no." There is no real accurate comparison for pro sports because athletes only have the opportunity to make the max income in one league per country tops. European soccer is somewhat difference since there are so many high dollar value leagues across the continent, but still if you are talking country for country it's one league at the top of the food chain.

My point is Kane and other pro athletes need to be particularly careful about what they do and the situations they get in. If they get suspended or banned from the league there is not much else they can do but go play overseas for a fraction of the $. They agreed to that through the players association though, so it's not like it was "unfair." In exchange they receive the right to make millions of dollars assuming they keep their noses clean. Some guys get it, others (like Kane) don't. In any event, I'm 100% with JJ and firmly believe on excellent information that Kane has played his last game in a Hawks sweater.
- UCSB616

To further the point Hockey is "sports entertainment" and if a player does something to ruin the reputation of the franchise or league they will get banned. Why because they loose dollars. (people protest and stop watching)

The plumber gets fired and goes to another job and does work for people and they have no idea he was convicted or don't care.

One example is the Dixie Chicks bad mouthing the country they did not commit a crime but they ruined there reputation with country music fans and lost money.

So will Kane never play Hockey again? The question is will he ever make the amount of money he signed for again. He could end up in a Moscow men's league playing for vodka.

Chicago was something like 33-0-0 (including play-offs) when leading after 2 periods.

During the regular season, the gave up the least number of goals (64) in the 3rd period and OT in the league - Winnipeg gave up 79.

Certainly, the Chicago defense had a lot to do with that - but so did Crawford. Usually, it's not really how many, but when goals are allowed that makes the difference: when the game is on the line, Chicago and its goalies came thru.
- StLBravesFan

Chicago defense last year in the playoffs didn't have as much to do with Crawford's very good performance as in the other Cup runs. Hawks gave up a ton of quality shots throughout the playoffs until the last two games.

Chicago defense last year in the playoffs didn't have as much to do with Crawford's very good performance as in the other Cup runs. Hawks gave up a ton of quality shots throughout the playoffs until the last two games.
- Al

I wouldn't exactly say a ton...but more than in prior playoff seasons where they were successful...Again, I think Crawford was very good, I just don't think he ''carried'' the team to the Cup like some think(not you Al).

And I thought it was a nice bounce back considering he wasn't all that good the year before when LA knocked them out in the WCF...And hats off to the Waite brothers, they seem to know how to get the best out of goalies

Very true he did inherit it but Stan being here set off a chain of events that would change this franchise forever, his dad Scotty coming over here and Savard getting fired 4 games into the season and the outstanding Coach Q taking over.

Picking Hjalmarrson over Niemi, Keith to his lifetime contract. Trading Campbell when he was untradeable, Saad in the 2nd round, TT late in the first round, 2 more cups, if you look at Pittsbirgh you could say they were a mirror image of us but made the wrong decisions which cost them, look at Boston and LA they're falling and falling fast but yet here we sit with what I think was a brilliant move getting AA and Dano, even Daley, Panarin. This GM has done so much with his hands tied but gets minimal credit. Tallon gets so much credit yet he almost destroyed this team and successive Cup runs with the restricted offer sheet mega blunder

Is he the best gm, I don't know he's not the worst gm, all I know is based on his moves and not buying into other people's opinions of who the core players are he's holding up 3 Stanley Cup Rings and last I checked that's the most in a salary cap era so I guess that would make him the best gm
- BetweenTheDots

Good post but to be clear there was no debate the Hawks were going to match the offer sheet for Hammer....Wilson knew the same but he wanted to squeeze the Hawks and take a chance.

It netted Wilson Niemi, but that was by choice of the Hawks as they could have signed him for exactly the same amount as the Sharks paid.

As far as Campbell...He had to go and the Panthers were $30 million below the cap floor so the biggest obstacle was getting Campbell to okay the deal. But players usually go when not wanted and Campbell was a whipping boy here.

I agree fully with Keith deal and signing Rozsival and acquiring Oduya...But Bowman benefits from a great support staff and Q probably has his hands on the steering wheel more than any head coach. He is far from the bottom rung for GM's but not at the top yet.

The comparison falls short with the Penguins....They were never as deep as the 2010 Hawks, or either of the other 2 Cup teams. Plus their Duncan Keith-Kris Letang has been injured a lot...as have the the big guns Crosby and Malkin.

Bowman has been better than average but the 3 Cups don't make him the best GM in the NHL today.

If the Saad deal works out and if other things unwind this summer and Bowman makes a deal or two more and puts the Hawks in a position for a Cup run...
Then his status in my book rises considerably.

Pavelic AND a top prospect for $6 million man Crawford...? Jet's have the #1 goalie prospect in the league in Connor Hellebuyck and #4 in Eric Comrie. They do not need goalies, and certainly not one making $6 million. Even if he is a cup winner. If you are going to put up rumours, which does make for a good read, please run it through the smell test first. This one stinks!

He was Assistant GM in charge of the cap.

The credit for building the core goes to Mike Smith, Rick Dudley and Marshall Johnston and later Dale Tallon. Period.
- John Jaeckel

Surley but we win NO CUPS without Hossa.

And Hossa was all Bowman.

Tallon wanted to keep Havlat .


So Bowman should get tons of projectability credit because Hossa was seen by some as a Buffalo Bills type player pre Blackhawks.

Just wait till he trades Kane and the Hawks win another one wih Dano and AA on the roser. Will Bowman get some love then ?

Bowman has been better than average but the 3 Cups don't make him the best GM in the NHL today.
- Al

And who cares anyway? When the team has been best three times in six years. That´s all that matters. But still Stan has done a good job. There is no perfect GM anywhere.

How this Kane saga ends will be intresting to see. If Hawks loose him way or another then they would lost from wings Kane, Saad and Sharp replaced by Dano, Panarin and who? That will force Hawks to take few steps back..

If I'm not mistaken camp opens with physicals and conditioning tests.

What's your point? Bicks is fine...and he'll pass any test given to him.
- ArlingtonRob

Hope so.

Kane, the Blackhawks organization, and the NHL wouldn't want that scenario either. Having a star player's attorney shame an accuser is not good PR. It just adds to Kane's bad reputation. And, the prosecutor would likely go through a similar exercise against Kane. Does Kane / Blackhawks / NHL really want his past bad behavior recalled in every detail in open court? Not likely.
- matt_ahrens

You are mistaken on this point. In America, the accused does not have to take the stand. The accuser, however, does. And it's during the cross examination by the defense when the accuser's credibility is torn apart.

Pavelic AND a top prospect for $6 million man Crawford...? Jet's have the #1 goalie prospect in the league in Connor Hellebuyck and #4 in Eric Comrie. They do not need goalies, and certainly not one making $6 million. Even if he is a cup winner. If you are going to put up rumours, which does make for a good read, please run it through the smell test first. This one stinks!
- Justenvogt

thank you!!! completely agree

If a Kane move gets OEL or a defender of similar potential that can theoretically "carry the load" in 3 years when Keith is 35 then that would be a neat deal.

How threatening has Detroit been with out Lidstrom? Granted other players have aged but him being gone is what took away that bit of an edge to close out a 7 game series against a team like Tampa Bay. At least in my opinion.

But if they can get a piece to theoretically replace him then you're extending the window on Toews and reloading with another solid base for the Panarin's, TT's or Dano's if they turn out.

Buff is a dynamic player but hes on the wrong side of 30 as well. Helps them win today but if they are going to do this I think they use a Kane mega deal to prepare for the eventual decline of Keith and Seabrook so there is a base to build on for the next group.

Pavelic AND a top prospect for $6 million man Crawford...? Jet's have the #1 goalie prospect in the league in Connor Hellebuyck and #4 in Eric Comrie. They do not need goalies, and certainly not one making $6 million. Even if he is a cup winner. If you are going to put up rumours, which does make for a good read, please run it through the smell test first. This one stinks!
- Justenvogt

What does a #1 goalie PROSPECT do for winning the Stanley Cup this year or next?? These bottom-dweller's fans are so obsessed with "prospects" that it almost seems like they woudl rather have the #1 Farm System over winning actual hockey games in the NHL....

thank you!!! completely agree
- Ross77

Yeah, no need for Corey Crawford in WPG...the Jets have a boatload of goalies that know how to win in the toughest of circumstances, say game one of the Stanley Cup finals on the road. Oh, to be a Jets fan...

I guess the fact that Andersen massively outplayed the Jet goalies in round one of the playoffs, and then Crawford outplayed Andersen in the WC Final means nothing. I guess you know more than both Bowman and Cheveldayoff put together...congrats on all your intellect.