Take it with a grain of salt...while this guy correctly has called a couple crazy trades for Buffalo before they happened, he has posted that Kane will be charged with a misdemeanor in a plea deal within a week.

Take it with a grain of salt...while this guy correctly has called a couple crazy trades for Buffalo before they happened, he has posted that Kane will be charged with a misdemeanor in a plea deal within a week.
- stashu

A misdemeanor can carry jail time can it not?

A misdemeanor can carry jail time can it not?
- paulr

Absolutely yes.

EDIT: see Voynov, Slava - who is serving 90 days on his misdemeanor charge.
http://lakingsinsider.com...ice-probation-for-voynov/

A misdemeanor can carry jail time can it not?
- paulr

In a lot of cases it can and I would imagine for sexual assault, but not my forte.

Edit - thanks Marlowe!

Take it with a grain of salt...while this guy correctly has called a couple crazy trades for Buffalo before they happened, he has posted that Kane will be charged with a misdemeanor in a plea deal within a week.
- stashu

If this is true , which happens in a lot of theses cases the plea is usally Misdemeanor battery.

That would mean the rape kits came back negative
The victim and witnesses statements dont add up to rape.

Plus statistically thisnis the most likely outcome if charges would be pressed at all.

I still think Kane is a Hawk for life. No matter what. See Ben R from the Pittsburgh Steelers.

The Blackhawks will be absolutley loaded at Forward this season.

A misdemeanor can carry jail time can it not?
- paulr

Sure.

But no one would accept a plea that included jail time.

The purpose of thenplea is to get to the likeliest conclusion in the fastest way possible.

Take it with a grain of salt...while this guy correctly has called a couple crazy trades for Buffalo before they happened, he has posted that Kane will be charged with a misdemeanor in a plea deal within a week.
- stashu

What guy are you talking about that posted this?

If this is true , which happens in a lot of theses cases the plea is usally Misdemeanor battery.

That would mean the rape kits came back negative
The victim and witnesses statements dont add up to rape.

Plus statistically thisnis the most likely outcome if charges would be pressed at all.

I still think Kane is a Hawk for life. No matter what. See Ben R from the Pittsburgh Steelers.

The Blackhawks will be absolutley loaded at Forward this season.
- mrpaulish

So the rape kit comes back negative, and the witnesses/victims statements don't add up. Then why is there a plea at all? Shouldn't it just go away?

I have to weigh in here.

First, in my opinion, had the Hawks taken Turris or JVR first overall in 2007, no, there would have been no Cup in 2010. Or very unlikely. However, who's to say who the Hawks might have taken with higher draft positions in 2008, 2009 and 2010, and what their impact might gave been on the club. You just can't say.

I believe with Toews, Hossa, Keith, Seabroiok, Byfuglien, Hjalmarsson, Ladd this team likely would have wopn at least one Cup in the last six years—because also bear in mind, KEEPING Kane has COST the Hawks players.

Second, keeping Kane might not be the best thing for the Hawks, as I keep saying here—you don't know what they would get back for him.

Third, blaming McDonough and marketing/branding is missing the larger point. Kane is now toxic. IFTHEY AT THIS POINT IGNORE YET ANOTHER SIGN OF A RECURRENT PROBLEM WITH KANE, AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS, THE WHOLE TEAM WILL SUFFER.

The Hawks sold the building out for a pretty ling time BEFORE they won the 2010 Cup.

I think the team has to protect itself legally and financially. As does the league. As do sponsors (especially).

And a lot of fans don't want to cheer for a guy who is a complete jerk behind closed doors and a fraud publicly. Is he that? I can't prove it one way or the other except the amount of stories out there, and the alleged REAL story behind some of them, suggest it is at least an open question.

I think ALL Hawk fans want to win Cups. There is no law that says Patrick Kane must be on your team to win one.
- John Jaeckel

But IMO only common sense says that with Kane, no cups!

What he did to Kane is the exact opposite of what other teams do. He attacked Kane instead of backing off allowing Kane to work his stickhandling magic. Kane had no clue how to deal with that. Every time Kane had the puck Hedman was in his face. Now that the NHL has seen this it will be interesting to see if anyone else tries it and if they can be as successful stopping Kane. However if Kane ever figures out to to ellude this coverage it could mean the player covering him could be way out of position.
- paulr

I made a comment like this a long time ago when the rape allegations first broke. In the post-Cup interviews on the ice, Kane talked about how special Hedman was and how they (the Hawks) would have to adjust. Nevertheless, other defensemen will try it and either have it work or get burned. Eluding this type of coverage means "breakaway central" for Kane any time a defenseman attacks him like Hedman. Assuming he plays, he needs to figure out how to elude the coverage, as he does not do the whole "fighting along the boards" thing too well.

If this is true , which happens in a lot of theses cases the plea is usally Misdemeanor battery.

That would mean the rape kits came back negative
The victim and witnesses statements dont add up to rape.

Plus statistically thisnis the most likely outcome if charges would be pressed at all.

I still think Kane is a Hawk for life. No matter what. See Ben R from the Pittsburgh Steelers.

The Blackhawks will be absolutley loaded at Forward this season.
- mrpaulish

The Pittsburgh Steelers are NOT owned by Rocky Wirtz nor run by John McDonough.

Neither are the Los Angeles Kings, nor the Chicago Bulls (see the new accusations against Derrick Rose).

Wirtz and McDonough will do what they think is best for the Hawks.

A misdemeanor can carry jail time can it not?
- paulr

In NY sex offences misdemeanours carry up to one year sentence for Class A and up to three months for Class B.

Appreciate what you have to say in general. While I don't disagree with the folks on this board (JJ, Mex, 66, Al etc - it's a long list) who know more (and have forgotten more than I will ever know) about hockey and have access to sources of information I don't have, I understand that trading Kane and otherwise planning for his absence (rehab, suspension or conviction) is ongoing and should be, I believe that the planning includes the pulse of the casual fan. So I don't think that Kane absolutely will be traded if the legal mess is resolved in his favor. I also don't think that he absolutely stays either, but I think that there is a thumb on the scale that says keep him (assuming the legal issues go away quietly). I get that he will need to take real steps to regain the trust of the FO at its highest levels too.
- Marlowe

Well put and there is so much uncertainty but there is no doubt the best thing is to not fix what isn't broken. Although in this case there is so much that will weigh into the decision as to ultimately keep Kane or at some point seek to trade him.

The outcome for the immediate future unless this all blows away within the next two weeks or so is...
Kane won't be with the team for awhile but if ever traded it won't happen until next summer at the earliest.

Moving his salary will likely mean taking back a few NHL players and that will require making space available on the roster. If a Kane trade happens Bowman will have to retool the roster, so this will be a very interesting season.

Take it with a grain of salt...while this guy correctly has called a couple crazy trades for Buffalo before they happened, he has posted that Kane will be charged with a misdemeanor in a plea deal within a week.
- stashu

The first shoe is about to drop. Surprise!

Sure.

But no one would accept a plea that included jail time.

The purpose of thenplea is to get to the likeliest conclusion in the fastest way possible.
- mrpaulish

...and pave the way to a payout, thus further eliminating the civil side later.

Well put and there is so much uncertainty but there is no doubt the best thing is to not fix what isn't broken. Although in this case there is so much that will weigh into the decision as to ultimately keep Kane or at some point seek to trade him.

The outcome for the immediate future unless this all blows away within the next two weeks or so is...
Kane won't be with the team for awhile but if ever traded it won't happen until next summer at the earliest.

Moving his salary will likely mean taking back a few NHL players and that will require making space available on the roster. If a Kane trade happens Bowman will have to retool the roster, so this will be a very interesting season.
- Al

Thanks Al! Very much agree with the above. For example - IMO the acquisition of Anisimov as well as the longer term extension was to compliment Kane until TT grows into an NHL center (or as JJ might say establishes himself on the wing).

[Aside - miss your regular work with Boomer on Sirius/XM radio and can't wait until we're all back discussing actual hockey and not the law (my full time job that I strive to avoid in my spare time)]

But what happens to incarcerated bob then?
- stljam

They used Bob to "confirm" the two anonymous sources the other day.

Almost as good as Seinfeld for laughs.

Thanks Al! Very much agree with the above. For example - IMO the acquisition of Anisimov as well as the longer term extension was to compliment Kane until TT grows into an NHL center (or as JJ might say establishes himself on the wing).


- Marlowe[Aside - miss your regular work with Boomer on Sirius/Adam radio and can't wait until we're all back discussing hockey's and not (my full time job that I strive to avoid in my spare time) the law]

I believe that was part of the thinking as well.

Minus the Kane stuff, will still be lots of new faces this year...should be interesting. The team got a lot younger overnight even with the loss of Saad.

Uh-oh. Does Wonthecup10 know about this?

Time will tell on the other stuff. Sure has been a more intersting off season than any of us bargained for.
- HawkintheD

Lucic will probably have a monster year, get signed for big $$$, and then drop off the map. I agree with many here he would not fit on the Hawks.

OTOH, if Lombardi can't sign Kopi and the scenario plays out with Seabs and Kane leaving I'd love to see how many cups Toews and Kopitar could win.

Take it with a grain of salt...while this guy correctly has called a couple crazy trades for Buffalo before they happened, he has posted that Kane will be charged with a misdemeanor in a plea deal within a week.
- stashu

What guy?

Link?

15 players scored a goal in the 2015 play offs. In the playoffs, the Hawks scored 69 times, only 11 of those goals were Kane's. Also, 5 of those goals ether came in loosing efforts, or blow out wins (he had 2 in the 4-1 win over Minny, one of which was an empty net goal). He didn't lead the team in GWGs, he was tied with both Vermette and Keith. Keith, Vermette, Seabs, and Kruger also all had an overtime goal, Kane had 0. Toews also had more goals on the power play.

I'm not trying to discount what Kane did do, he did come in second in scoring throughout the playoffs (Johnson actually tied him in point totals, but has more goals, so I would give him the edge). But he was far from the MVP of the team. He did what he was supposed to do, but so did the 23 other guys who stepped out on the ice during the playoffs (well, except maybe the bottom 2 defensive pairing).

But the thing that makes this team dangerous is not Patrick Kane, it's the depth. When any of the 4 lines that come out can score, that's a really hard and dangerous team to play against. And if you look at the hawk teams that have won the last 3 cups, they were all very, very deep.

The only one player who I would say, with out a doubt, we don't win the cup without last year is Keith. In terms of importance, I would place all of the top 4 d-men above Kane.
- Jance

Thanks for doing the research for me. That's what I meant when I said that TT was more clutch overall.

At this point, especially with the talent at forward, I see Seabrook as a must sign, class act, clutch cargo, alternate captain, all around best hawk free agent must sign, don't let him get away Stan, dude.

Feels like reign...

Ogi, I could see you wearing that jersey around.



On a side note, I don't care how much I hate personalized jerseys of non-players, I would proudly wear a Blues one like that if we ever win.

Here's an interesting read, it's the former Erie County DA's take:

http://www.wben.com/pages...Type=4&contentId=17672216

Ogi, I could see you wearing that jersey around.



On a side note, I don't care how much I hate personalized jerseys of non-players, I would proudly wear a Blues one like that if we ever win.


- carcus

Fortunately for you that's a dilemma you'll never have to worry about.