Correct, nobody knows if he did anything. But everybody should know that he should be smarter than to get himself in that situation.
- BlazinMike

This.
1000%

Correct, nobody knows if he did anything. But everybody should know that he should be smarter than to get himself in that situation.
- BlazinMike

That , my friend, is the crux of the matter.

Too true Mike. Just sucks that in our lifetimes they haven't been able to identify a guy you'd say has generational talent once. McMahon was ok but not really what I'm talking about.
- HawkintheD

poop, I'm too young to have even seen McMahon level QB play for the Bears. The high water mark for my lifetime of Bears quarterback viewing is Erick Kramer.

Too true Mike. Just sucks that in our lifetimes they haven't been able to identify a guy you'd say has generational talent once. McMahon was ok but not really what I'm talking about.
- HawkintheD

Walter Payton wasn't a generational talent? That's disconcerting.

But Hawk, unless you have a direct line to Hamburg police you don't really know if he did anything, including being set up for a payoff, right?
- Maggie

Maybe. Just kidding. Of course I don't and if he is innocent as in he was setup then he should be exonerated and yes I could easily make a case for him staying on the team.

That's one side of the argument. Even if no charge or guilt is found, I'm pissed that he has put himself in a position where he now finds himself yet again in another unenviable situation.

People need to stop putting themsleves into this situation too. At 26 I was a complete idiot too now only a bit less so. I also wasn't pulling down $10.5 mil or the face of an O6 franchise. You can disagree but when he is getting paid what he is, you need to be a hell of a lot smarter.

Correct, nobody knows if he did anything. But everybody should know that he should be smarter than to get himself in that situation.
- BlazinMike

I can't believe I'm typing this, but I'm actually going to disagree with you here.

Obviously putting aside what happened between Kane and the alleged victim in that room (we do not know what happened), Kane's actions that night seem (at least to me) to be fairly responsible.

He went to a bar with friends. I'm not sure how much he drunk there, but I don't recall seeing any reports that he was overly intoxicated (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this).

He invites a young woman back to his house, but also invites another woman and a friend of his.

And then he gets driven home by a pre-arranged driver - an off-duty cop (is this guy just a driver, or is he also play some sort of bodyguard role? I don't know).

Up to that point, are his actions really all that reprehensible?

Walter Payton wasn't a generational talent? That's disconcerting.
- TTtime

I thought he was a RB not a QB...no?

He and Barry are the best in my book. Never saw Sayers. OJ was pretty amazing too.

Emmitt was good but you and I could have run through the holes his O-lines were creating.

poop, I'm too young to have even seen McMahon level QB play for the Bears. The high water mark for my lifetime of Bears quarterback viewing is Erick Kramer.
- BlazinMike

Means you missed the Bobby Douglass era too? What an arm that guy had. Sadly, couldn't hit Kate Smith in the ass with a handful of rice.

I thought he was a RB not a QB...no?

He and Barry are the best in my book. Never saw Sayers. OJ was pretty amazing too.

Emmitt was good but you and I could have run through the holes his O-lines were creating.
- HawkintheD

You didn't qualify it. Sayers was better than all of them.

How about top 4 no less
- Maggie

Top 10 is a completely subjective list. One persons #1 is another persons #5.

Forget all the current crap, eliminate the off ice issues and look at Kanes career on the ice, his age, his abilities, etc. Then ask yourself who in the league would you consider fair value if trading him? Crosby, Stamkos, Doughty, Tavares, Hedman, Seguin, Karlsson, Tarasenko, Giroux? I'm sure there are others people can come up with. This list is just guys around the same age, and doesn't even include any goalies, doesnt include guys like Ovechkin and Malkin who are a few years older.

My point is you can rank a bunch of guys in a "tier" near the top, say as many as 20 guys who you would consider in a trade straight up for Kane, or at least make an argument thereof.

If you were to ask who the best player in the league is you would get arguments for Crosby, Toews, Price, Ovechkin and a few others, each being chosen for slightly different criteria but all with validity in their choice.

I can't believe I'm typing this, but I'm actually going to disagree with you here.

Obviously putting aside what happened between Kane and the alleged victim in that room (we do not know what happened), Kane's actions that night seem (at least to me) to be fairly responsible.

He went to a bar with friends. I'm not sure how much he drunk there, but I don't recall seeing any reports that he was overly intoxicated (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this).

He invites a young woman back to his house, but also invites another woman and a friend of his.

And then he gets driven home by a pre-arranged driver - an off-duty cop (is this guy just a driver, or is he also play some sort of bodyguard role? I don't know).

Up to that point, are his actions really all that reprehensible?
- Atomic Wedgie

I hear ya. He's got (had?) a girlfriend though, so he shouldn't have been taking another girl home with him anyway. I know its not the same as a wife, but still.

Meh, whatever happens, happens. Theres nothing being said here that hasn't been said 5 million times (and counting) already.

I can't believe I'm typing this, but I'm actually going to disagree with you here.

Obviously putting aside what happened between Kane and the alleged victim in that room (we do not know what happened), Kane's actions that night seem (at least to me) to be fairly responsible.

He went to a bar with friends. I'm not sure how much he drunk there, but I don't recall seeing any reports that he was overly intoxicated (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this).

He invites a young woman back to his house, but also invites another woman and a friend of his.

And then he gets driven home by a pre-arranged driver - an off-duty cop (is this guy just a driver, or is he also play some sort of bodyguard role? I don't know).

Up to that point, are his actions really all that reprehensible?
- Atomic Wedgie

Nope, but he's being accused of what he did after got in the house and the driver left

You didn't qualify it. Sayers was better than all of them.
- TTtime

Sayers better than Walter?

I can't believe I'm typing this, but I'm actually going to disagree with you here.

Obviously putting aside what happened between Kane and the alleged victim in that room (we do not know what happened), Kane's actions that night seem (at least to me) to be fairly responsible.

He went to a bar with friends. I'm not sure how much he drunk there, but I don't recall seeing any reports that he was overly intoxicated (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this).

He invites a young woman back to his house, but also invites another woman and a friend of his.

And then he gets driven home by a pre-arranged driver - an off-duty cop (is this guy just a driver, or is he also play some sort of bodyguard role? I don't know).

Up to that point, are his actions really all that reprehensible?
- Atomic Wedgie

That's not what he said though. Do all of his actions pass the red faced test in terms of actually being smart?

None of it seems horribly egregious but maybe drinking (how much?), staying out til 3am, and bringing home women you've just met when you supposedly have a serious GF don't all pass the test.

Plus the driver dropped them oof and left. At least he was smart enough to have someone drive him home. With all the money these guys get paid I am continuosuly confounded by how many still end up with a DUI.

You didn't qualify it. Sayers was better than all of them.
- TTtime

Says you. He may have been too but durability was not on his side.

C'mon Mex, I love Buff, but who's going to make up the goals and assists of Kane's
- Maggie

Plug TT in at 2RW (which may be his best position anyway) for a full season, and a fair amount of it (at least) gets made up.

Plug TT in at 2RW for a full season, a a fair amount of it (at least) gets made up.
- John Jaeckel

I guess will see!

Plug TT in at 2RW for a full season, a a fair amount of it (at least) gets made up.
- John Jaeckel

That's what everyone hopes. But theres no way to know for sure if that happens or not yet.

TT kicked ass in the playoffs kinda, but its a small sample size, and he's not a proven commodity yet.

Plug TT in at 2RW (which may be his best position anyway) for a full season, and a fair amount of it (at least) gets made up.
- John Jaeckel

I predict 150 hits in response to this statement.

Sayers better than Walter?
- BlazinMike

As a pure running back Sayers was better than Walter. Walter was a better blocker and obviously more durable, but Sayers was magical, very few guys have ever run like Sayers. He made the HOF on a career that lasted less than 5 seasons. That should tell you something.

That's what everyone hopes. But theres no way to know for sure if that happens or not yet.

TT kicked ass in the playoffs kinda, but its a small sample size, and he's not a proven commodity yet.
- BlazinMike

Not yet, but what he did in the playoffs leaves me wanting to see more...same with some of the highlight reel stuff I saw on Dano and even though it was KHL, Panarin.

I still do not understand how IF he is innocent, Kane did anything at all wrong. IF Kane is innocent, all he did was have a few drinks, bring a chick back to his house, with an off-duty cop as his escort. Do not understand all the vitriol, IF he is innocent. (Which it pretty much sounds like he is.)

All of his past "embarrassments" are all just part and parcel of someone who enjoys the nightlife. NONE of that is out of line among the beer-drinking bar-hopping lifestyle. Seen it all a hundred times and done much of it myself. (sometimes ashamedly so)

I predict 150 hits in response to this statement.
- RickJ

4 and counting...

I guess will see!
- Maggie

We might.

For me and some others, (and I think most of all the Hawks) the Kane issue is bigger than this latest incident in New York. Someone nailed it earlier—he keeps putting himself in these situations.

What few people know however, but the Hawks do, are all the details and backstory on the previous situations.

And the circumstances and people who help get Kane in these situations.

Something will need to dramatically, meaningfully change or even an "exoneration," if that's fully possible at this point, won't matter.

In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, getting "out" of this might not be as good for Kane as a person and as an asset to an NHL team in the long run as finally having to face some consequences for his actions.

I still do not understand how IF he is innocent, Kane did anything at all wrong. IF Kane is innocent, all he did was have a few drinks, bring a chick back to his house, with an off-duty cop as his escort. Do not understand all the vitriol, IF he is innocent. (Which it pretty much sounds like he is.)

All of his past "embarrassments" are all just part and parcel of someone who enjoys the nightlife. NONE of that is out of line among the beer-drinking bar-hopping lifestyle. Seen it all a hundred times and done much of it myself. (sometimes ashamedly so)
- mcmasterkev

With cash settlements?