He is also the best pure passer in the NHL and often to forwards who don't receive passes that well.
- RickJ

Saw a bit of that in Teuvo this year too where he was hitting a guy with an almost perfect pass and the recipient was either not ready or completey unaware.

Ham handed but yes, a play on words. Was just joking.
- HawkintheD

Puns, plays on words, and double entendres are always welcome in my world.

- DarthKane

that to...and duck

Saw a bit of that in Teuvo this year too where he was hitting a guy with an almost perfect pass and the recipient was either not ready or completey unaware.
- HawkintheD

Exactly, we dont really NEED Patrick Kane... We have Teuvo who had a total of 9 points in 34 Regular Season games! Hawks will go on winning cups with Teuvo and Dano and Panarin instead of Kane, Sharp, Saad!! Kane is overrated anyway.....


....wake up people. Hawks move Kane for anything less than a Superstar and their window just closed. We just moved our next best Winger in 22 yr old ManChild Brandon Saad...you expect to ship out 3 of your top 6 Wingers and still be a real Cup-Contender...

He is also the best pure passer in the NHL and often to forwards who don't receive passes that well.
- RickJ

Best perimeter player in the game and can stick handle in tight quarters like no other.

Exactly, we dont really NEED Patrick Kane... We have Teuvo who had a total of 9 points in 34 Regular Season games! Hawks will go on winning cups with Teuvo and Dano and Panarin instead of Kane, Sharp, Saad!! Kane is overrated anyway.....


....wake up people. Hawks move Kane for anything less than a Superstar and their window just closed. We just moved our next best Winger in 22 yr old ManChild Brandon Saad...you expect to ship out 3 of your top 6 Wingers and still be a real Cup-Contender...
- EnzoD

This sounds logical but I stopped buying into yours when you said you'd root against your team to show people up on a chat board who I'm guessing you've never met.

Actually I stopped buying into it before then. Where did I ever say we don't really need Patrick Kane? Nice inference btw.

This sounds logical but I stopped buying into yours when you said you'd root against your team to show people up on a chat board who I'm guessing you've never met.

Actually I stopped buying into it before then. Where did I ever say we don't really need Patrick Kane? Nice inference btw.
- HawkintheD

We've seen it before, throw out a narrative and stick by it through hell or high water even at the expense of not enjoying your favorite team win the cup, but then again that's kind of like whistling in the graveyard isn't it?

Signed on my computer this morning and one of the headlines on my homepage read "Documents in Kane investigation include porn, allege threats", and I was like ohhhh crap.... until I clicked on and read the story and realized it was in reference to Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane.

Talk about breathing a sigh of relief!

We've seen it before, throw out a narrative and stick by it through hell or high water even at the expense of not enjoying your favorite team win the cup, but then again that's kind of like whistling in the graveyard isn't it?
- paulr

That's exactly what it's like. Thank Gawd the Hawks Kept Leddy last year instead of Oduya or they never would have...wait that doesn't sound right.

This sounds logical but I stopped buying into yours when you said you'd root against your team to show people up on a chat board who I'm guessing you've never met.

Actually I stopped buying into it before then. Where did I ever say we don't really need Patrick Kane? Nice inference btw.
- HawkintheD

Anyone who believe that they can trade Patrick Kane and win another cup is crazy. Hossa is 36 and you just scrapped your entire Top 6. Re-read the post, I said I "almost" wish they traded Kane. I am, obviously, adamently opposed to trading Kane without any criminal charges. Questioning my fandom or allegiance to this team is a moot point. I comment on a Hawk's blog daily... I just find it shocking that my stance on this is such a "hot button" position. It is even more shocking how willing some of you are to simply "cut the cord" bc of a months of bad PR....how quickly people forget everything that Kane has done for this franchise and will continue to do for this franchise. Also, as Al said, pointing to ice on performance, last season was his best yet. IDK how you trade him while, according to the law, he has done nothing wrong.

We've seen it before, throw out a narrative and stick by it through hell or high water even at the expense of not enjoying your favorite team win the cup, but then again that's kind of like whistling in the graveyard isn't it?
- paulr

And your narrative is offer minimal actual input to the debate and ALWAYS comment or attack other posters input. That is your "narrative" paulr.

Not sure what you mean by this.

I don't think there's been any admission, or even suggestion, of Kane having an alcohol abuse problem for which he would enter the NHL's program.

Am I missing something here?
- Atomic Wedgie

There is an assumption that - because a common factor in each incident is alcohol - Kane may have an issue. I'm not there yet but I wouldn't be surprised if that is part of a post incident process to rehab his image. IMO it would be something more like counseling over rehab but that may depend on other factors like unreported incidents the club may know of but we do not. Again, just my opinion.

And your narrative is offer minimal actual input to the debate and ALWAYS comment or attack other posters input. That is your "narrative" paulr.
- EnzoD

I don't have a narrative Enzo.

Without Patrick Kane, the Blackhawks would have 0 cups in last 6 years instead of 3.
If he's not guilty, this trade talk is absolute ludicrous.


- eyewtkas

If they had traded him in the summer of 2012, you are certain the return would not have been enough to help them win Cups 2 and/or 3?

I don't know that, neither do you.

This seems to assume either that the Hawks would just leave Kane by the road somewhere or that the return would be Ulf Dahlen. Neither is likely the case.

You just can't make these absolute statements.

Anyone who believe that they can trade Patrick Kane and win another cup is crazy. Hossa is 36 and you just scrapped your entire Top 6. Re-read the post, I said I "almost" wish they traded Kane. I am, obviously, adamently opposed to trading Kane without any criminal charges. Questioning my fandom or allegiance to this team is a moot point. I comment on a Hawk's blog daily... I just find it shocking that my stance on this is such a "hot button" position. It is even more shocking how willing some of you are to simply "cut the cord" bc of a months of bad PR....how quickly people forget everything that Kane has done for this franchise and will continue to do for this franchise. Also, as Al said, pointing to ice on performance, last season was his best yet. IDK how you trade him while, according to the law, he has done nothing wrong.
- EnzoD

Whether you almost wished it or not the sentiment is still there.

Never anywhere have I said anything to diminish Kane's on ice accomplishments. I can't understand how my thoughts would be such a hot button for you. I'm not the one who would seem irritated here. Just making some points and you obviously don't care for them which is fine

While I can understand wanting to keep Kane and I can also understand why the Hawks would want to trade him whether he violated the law or not. If you can't I don't know what to tell you.

While I can't say with certainlty Kane will clean up his act and fly right or that he will continue to make poor decisions that don't help his cause neither can you say with certainty they won't win anything if he does happen to get traded?

Best perimeter player in the game and can stick handle in tight quarters like no other.
- Al

Agreed, a terrific and unique talent. bed player in the league? No. Top 10? Yes.

If they had traded him in the summer of 2012, you are certain the return would not have been enough to help them win Cups 2 and/or 3?

I don't know that, neither do you.

This seems to assume either that the Hawks would just leave Kane by the road somewhere or that the return would be Ulf Dahlen. Neither is likely the case.

You just can't make these absolute statements.
- John Jaeckel

I would think, unless they get a deal they can't refuse, trading Patrick Kane would be a disaster of epic proportions. I for one, would be very pissed if they did deal him unless he was criminally charged and convicted.

- BURDA13

Come on, at least show him in his prime!

Agreed, a terrific and unique talent. bed player in the league? No. Top 10? Yes.
- John Jaeckel

I would say higher than top 10 closer to top 6 but I think this club fit him better than any other situation in the NHL.

Yes, a business that was revived by their two superstars - Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane. They wouldn't be where they are right now without him, people cannot forget that part.

Do we want more cups or is three enough and now we just want to preserve the image of the business?
- eyewtkas

I do not think anyone here forgot the importance of both players sir. I wish I could answer that last question, but I cannot answer it because I cannot speak for the Hawks organization.
For the record: I understand your points and concerns sir.

Not sure what you mean by this.

I don't think there's been any admission, or even suggestion, of Kane having an alcohol abuse problem for which he would enter the NHL's program.

Am I missing something here?
- Atomic Wedgie

You must have been in a fog for about 7 years. Kaner has had multiple problems with the suds. Hanging out with his cousins and getting no meaningfully advise from his dad only made things worse. . Most people having a drinking problem have a hard time admitting that they have a problem so you are truly missing something my friend.

There are teams out there that have won the Stanley Cup without Patrick Kane on them, right? I don't want them to trade him, but they might, and if so, so be it. The return should be pretty good and I think the facts (that sometimes teams can win the Cup without Patrick Kane) indicate the Hawks will move on without him. How many iterations of the Red Wings have there been? These Blackhawks are about organizational strength, and they will move on. But I hope they can find a way to keep him.

There are teams out there that have won the Stanley Cup without Patrick Kane on them, right? I don't want them to trade him, but they might, and if so, so be it. The return should be pretty good and I think the facts (that sometimes teams can win the Cup without Patrick Kane) indicate the Hawks will move on without him. How many iterations of the Red Wings have there been? These Blackhawks are about organizational strength, and they will move on. But I hope they can find a way to keep him.
- DirkGraham

I think this is a very good and valid statement Dirk.

There are teams out there that have won the Stanley Cup without Patrick Kane on them, right? I don't want them to trade him, but they might, and if so, so be it. The return should be pretty good and I think the facts (that sometimes teams can win the Cup without Patrick Kane) indicate the Hawks will move on without him. How many iterations of the Red Wings have there been? These Blackhawks are about organizational strength, and they will move on. But I hope they can find a way to keep him.
- DirkGraham

Players don't win championships, organizations do.
- Jerry Krause