Wait until the TDL and you can probably get Dan Hamhuis for Scuderi and a 2nd.
- Nucker101

Wait until the TDL and you can probably get Dan Hamhuis for Scuderi and a 2nd.
- Nucker101

If that happens... I'll send you a case of your beer of choice to help cope.

i'm not even totally sure about this yet, but maybe if Sundqvist really is *that* ready for an NHL spot, and if Scuderi really is *that* hard to move, then maybe moving Perron is an option to free up $$$ for Franson.

Perron is a guy who is likely gone once Pouliot and Maatta get their extensions anyway. I love Perron as a player when his ribs are healthy, but maybe Franson would just be a better way to use that cap space.

Of course i would prefer the Scuderi-and-a-pick strategy to free that $$$ up. But without knowing much about Erixon and Clandening, the D depth just scares me.

i'm not even totally sure about this yet, but maybe if Sundqvist really is *that* ready for an NHL spot, and if Scuderi really is *that* hard to move, then maybe moving Perron is an option to free up $$$ for Franson.

Perron is a guy who is likely gone once Pouliot and Maatta get their extensions anyway. I love Perron as a player when his ribs are healthy, but maybe Franson would just be a better way to use that cap space.

Of course i would prefer the Scuderi-and-a-pick strategy to free that $$$ up. But without knowing much about Erixon and Clandening, the D depth just scares me.
- poopmouth

The more I think about it, the more sense it makes to me to unload Scuderi and a 2nd to sign Franson. If Pens take an injury in the top 4, or even if they want to make an upgrade at the deadline, they almost certainly are gonna need to give up more to get a capable top 4 dman rental.

i'm not even totally sure about this yet, but maybe if Sundqvist really is *that* ready for an NHL spot, and if Scuderi really is *that* hard to move, then maybe moving Perron is an option to free up $$$ for Franson.

Perron is a guy who is likely gone once Pouliot and Maatta get their extensions anyway. I love Perron as a player when his ribs are healthy, but maybe Franson would just be a better way to use that cap space.

Of course i would prefer the Scuderi-and-a-pick strategy to free that $$$ up. But without knowing much about Erixon and Clandening, the D depth just scares me.
- poopmouth

I don't know... if you move Kunitz or Dupuis... then wouldn't Perron be the logical replacement for either to keep here long term? Guess I am looking at it the other way from you.

To the person who questioned giving up a 2nd to move Scuderi... BLASPHEMY!

That 2nd we got came from a vast overpayment for Sutter, and a 3rd rounder we got for nothing... Therefore, we shouldn't have any real attachment to that 2nd rounder, and if it can get rid of Scuds, do it. I'll even throw in Bartley's left and right nuts for the trade.

Doing that means we can likely get Franson to a few year deal... since he apparently CANNOT get the big money we thought, 4 mil and 4-5 years might be all it takes coming from a contender.
- Guile

We shouldn't have any real attachment to a free draft pick that was then upgraded? It's an asset, it helps with all the picks we have sent out the door the last several years. I'm not so keen to send a second rounder away just for cap space. There is definitely a move coming via the defence.

absolutely. 2nd rounder or even a sundqvist would be totally worth moving Scuderi, but ONLY if they already know they'll be able to sign Franson for ~ Scuderi money. otherwise, it's probably worth it to just keep him as a 7th dman to cycle in and out to try to keep the dudes fresh.

Since the Pens look like they are now able to find cheap, effective veterans on the bottom two lines, it becomes much less important to have a Sundqvist waiting in the wings.

keeping the guys with high ceilings is absolutely still important. but Sundqvist's value comes more as probability of success than with ceiling of success.

it's clear that the Pens now are fully buying into the "advanced" type stats. just go all in, at this point. having Franson over Scuderi could be the final cherry on top that they need.
- poopmouth

What? No? Why in the (frank) would you trade Sundqvist to move Scuderi? Absolutely not.

Anyways, I got over my original reaction to Cullen and now I'm neutral. 800k isn't bad at all. With this new focus on analytics its foreseeable that our regime will press box whoever regardless of pay grade in favor of the better option.

There is no way I am moving Sund or a 2nd rounder to dump Scuds, unless its at the trade deadline and they get a player back with term. I know its the Ducks 2nd rounder, but that has value. I think a younger team will make a push for the playoffs and might be stupid enough to actually trade a 3rd for Scuds. I think teams will get into some kind of injury trouble and actually take a look at him. His 2 mil next year is a lot easier to stomach.

I will like to keep perron. I think he just needs to get some chemistry with the team. I guess him and letang are friends and hang out so maybe he has been training with him....

I think keeping perron is crucial unless Bennett elevates his game and stays healthy and/or sund can move up and play wing on top 6

What? No? Why in the (frank) would you trade Sundqvist to move Scuderi? Absolutely not.

Anyways, I got over my original reaction to Cullen and now I'm neutral. 800k isn't bad at all. With this new focus on analytics its foreseeable that our regime will press box whoever regardless of pay grade in favor of the better option.
- Victoro311

I had to pause and think about the cap hit but then realized its basically what an AHL call up would make anyway. If Cullen suddenly hits a cliff in his play...waive him. If he is playing well and Sundqvist or Wilson put on an awesome showing while Fehr is out...then trade Cullen at the deadline for a 2nd or 3rd. Dont see any negative in this move at all.

Look at this filth we've dealt with dating back just two years..
Sutter, Glass, Zolnierczyck, Jeffrey, Adams, Sill, Vitale, Lapierre, Farnham, Megna, probably missing some more...

There is no way I am moving Sund or a 2nd rounder to dump Scuds, unless its at the trade deadline and they get a player back with term. I know its the Ducks 2nd rounder, but that has value. I think a younger team will make a push for the playoffs and might be stupid enough to actually trade a 3rd for Scuds. I think teams will get into some kind of injury trouble and actually take a look at him. His 2 mil next year is a lot easier to stomach.
- Thorny

There's no guarantee a rental acquisition at the deadline won't cost more than a 2nd. In fact, it seems very likely it'll cost at least a 2nd+ for a few months of a rental as opposed to the possibility of getting a veteran locked in with cost certainty for longer. Also, Scuderi's AAV is the issue- not his salary. That actually decreases so it might be appealing to a team looking to save money.

I had to pause and think about the cap hit but then realized its basically what an AHL call up would make anyway. If Cullen suddenly hits a cliff in his play...waive him. If he is playing well and Sundqvist or Wilson put on an awesome showing while Fehr is out...then trade Cullen at the deadline for a 2nd or 3rd. Dont see any negative in this move at all.

Look at this filth we've dealt with dating back just two years..
Sutter, Glass, Zolnierczyck, Jeffrey, Adams, Sill, Vitale, Lapierre, Farnham, Megna, probably missing some more...

- YouMeAndDupuis9

ya um I don't think Cullen will get a 2nd or 3rd.. he might be able to be an add on in a deal but I agree if he sucks just waive him

There is no way I am moving Sund or a 2nd rounder to dump Scuds, unless its at the trade deadline and they get a player back with term. I know its the Ducks 2nd rounder, but that has value. I think a younger team will make a push for the playoffs and might be stupid enough to actually trade a 3rd for Scuds. I think teams will get into some kind of injury trouble and actually take a look at him. His 2 mil next year is a lot easier to stomach.
- Thorny

I agree with what you're saying but even if people are willing to trade for Scuds at the deadline, no way he waves his clause in the middle of the season when we're dominating the Metro to go to a bubble team like Calgary

We shouldn't have any real attachment to a free draft pick that was then upgraded? It's an asset, it helps with all the picks we have sent out the door the last several years. I'm not so keen to send a second rounder away just for cap space. There is definitely a move coming via the defence.
- nelson911

We should like the pick of course... but think of moving Scuds with it the same as the Sutter for Bonino trade... We view that trade as including Fehr also...

So view Scuds and a 2nd for a low draft pick/junk prospect (whatever the return in the real trade is) and Franson.

Scuds has to realize that he is the odd man out. My question is would you stay on a team that wants to trade you but cant.. especially if you are going to sit (hopefully) half of the games

Scuds has to realize that he is the odd man out. My question is would you stay on a team that wants to trade you but cant.. especially if you are going to sit (hopefully) half of the games
- nh4442

That all depends on if he wants to play, is he okay with moving his family, and or if he wants to try and milk a championship chance on a team that doens't want him... He will get the money traded or not, so that isn't a factor.

ya um I don't think Cullen will get a 2nd or 3rd.. he might be able to be an add on in a deal but I agree if he sucks just waive him
- nh4442

Whats the difference in a rental Cullen and a rental Winnik? You just need some team to have that need. An injured 3rd line C, trouble with faceoffs, etc and they may overpay for Cullen.

Im not saying we should trade him, mind you, given it sounds like he really wants to win a cup in his final year and that sort of motivation is as good as any young player itching for his first..

I just don't understand why we can't package scuderi+ana 2nd + maybe a B level prospect for a top 4 def. It would solve everything in one go. Is there anyone worth snagging from NJ?

I just don't understand why we can't package scuderi+ana 2nd + maybe a B level prospect for a top 4 def. It would solve everything in one go. Is there anyone worth snagging from NJ?
- Brownsoldier

So... a 2nd and a B level prosect = a top 4 def and taking on Scud's contract... that is what you proposed.

Here's my beef with you stats dudes why is this analytically savy and not just hockey savy? You claim credit for moves like this. I think there's a million people who could care less about analytics that thought this was a great signing. 800k for 1 year for a 4th line center who will likely pot as many points as our 3rd line center from last year seems like a no brainer. Add on the face off and pk abilities and it was simple

Here's my beef with you stats dudes why is this analytically savy and not just hockey savy? You claim credit for moves like this. I think there's a million people who could care less about analytics that thought this was a great signing. 800k for 1 year for a 4th line center who will likely pot as many points as our 3rd line center from last year seems like a no brainer. Add on the face off and pk abilities and it was simple
- dbell646

38 years old, and no team has really been linked to looking at him yet...

Teams "want" to get younger, bigger, faster in general... well, hes not really any of those three. Hes a good veteran, who has great advanced stats, and is possibly just a gap filler until Fehr returns.

Now why is he an advanced stat savvy move... Compare him to Craig Adams... a lot of the same things surrounding the two when they were signed here... except, BOOM, way better player, and the advanced stats back up Cullen. Don't need "grit, experience, leadership, etc" to fight for this signing.

I don't know why everyone is so down on our D, I love our d, minus scuds.. ya adding someone like franson will bolster it but I have no problem going into the season with
Letang maatta
cole Poliout
Lovejoy dumo
erixon/Scuds

that seems very balance

I just don't understand why we can't package scuderi+ana 2nd + maybe a B level prospect for a top 4 def. It would solve everything in one go. Is there anyone worth snagging from NJ?
- Brownsoldier

who the heck is going to give up a Top 4 dman for a bunch of spare parts. Unless you are getting another one back with baggage, that aint happening

I just don't understand why we can't package scuderi+ana 2nd + maybe a B level prospect for a top 4 def. It would solve everything in one go. Is there anyone worth snagging from NJ?
- Brownsoldier

First things first.... Scuds has a limited NTC. He get's to approve most teams. Something tells me he doesn't want to go the NJ. My bet is most teams (probably all) for which he'll accept a trade, will not want him.

Here's my beef with you stats dudes why is this analytically savy and not just hockey savy? You claim credit for moves like this. I think there's a million people who could care less about analytics that thought this was a great signing. 800k for 1 year for a 4th line center who will likely pot as many points as our 3rd line center from last year seems like a no brainer. Add on the face off and pk abilities and it was simple
- dbell646

I agree. I think that was a signing that GMJR would make regardless of analytics. It sounds like Cullen is a guy GMJR likes and respects and has won with in the past. Maybe with the analytics it was easier to get the assitant GMs on board but I feel this was signing made by GMJRs gut feeling.