Yup, but we need to find money for Vasy same year to. If hes really ready to take over number 1 in 2 years then he atleast gets 4 million.

But I agree, pay them both. Hedman may be our Keith, but Stammer is our Toews. You need both to win cups. If I had to choose, i must say that Stamkos production is easier to replace. Would suck to see him in another jersey though.
- Cloud

I agree with this, Chicago has two guys in Toews and Kane making big money with a few others right behind. To me it is Kucherov, how much do you give him and for how long? If Koekkoek can develop and stay healthy an DeAngelo develops the expense on the back gets pushed out to later years with hopefully an increase in salary cap each year if the league stays strong. CBA ends in 2023 so we have time.

stamkos 8 years 80 million. hedman 6 years 40 million. done.

- boltsfan48

For Hedman maybe the 6 years is good but that is really a lowball figure even for today. For six years it will be much closer to 60M instead of 40M.

Look at other top D cap hits for this year: Subban 9M, Weber 7.85M, Suter 7.5M, Letang 7.25M, Campbell 7.1M, Doughty 7M, Phaneuf 7M, Chara 6.9M... And many of these have been signed a few year ago. Yet you think that 2 years from now Hedman will cost you 6.6M per year. He will be UFA so the it is going to take a LOT more to sign him.

Yes.

8 X 12
8 X 9

I believe those are realistic asks from both players
That's a whole lotta cake

8 X 12
8 X 9

I believe those are realistic asks from both players
That's a whole lotta cake
- MTL1

That is a lot, does Stamkos take less because of the no state income tax in Florida? Can Yzerman talk Stamkos into a $10m per year deal using Kane/Toews as the baseline but also knowing Florida does not have a 3% income tax rate? Same could be asked of Hedman, if Tampa can put a winning team on the ice on a regular basis can they get Hedman for $7.5 - $8m knowing it ends up being more than the current examples due to taxes.

Hedman over Stamkos no doubt for me. We should have the money to resign Stamkos and Hedman while giving the Triplets a raise ( I wonder how much they will want), with the Coburn and Bishopcontracts coming off along with trading Filpulla and Hopefully Callahan (fingers crossed). I do think that Killorn could end up being one of our first cap casualties, but Adam Erne should be able to replace him .

8 X 12
8 X 9

I believe those are realistic asks from both players
That's a whole lotta cake
- MTL1

I doubt you see much longer than 6 years, any longer and you get into guarantees before the CBA expires after the 21-22 season which could pose more of a problem starting with Hedman in two years than Stammer now where an extension of 6 brings it until that time. Max Cap figure if it goes the full 5% will be 78.25 in two years. So maybe a reasonable 76 or so to figure forward but we thought this two years ago by now too. Keep the two as the core and move assets when needed, they're all not going to be here in two years.

8 X 12
8 X 9

I believe those are realistic asks from both players
That's a whole lotta cake
- MTL1

8x10
8x8

I think Cally gets alot of hate. He had a really good regular season with 54 points and he brings alot to the table more then points. Sure he was a disaster in the postseason but lets not throw him under the bus yet. And lets see how well Killorn plays next season to.

The term of Callys contract is a bit to long, but 5.8 sure is market value for a gritty leader that puts up 50 points.

That is a lot, does Stamkos take less because of the no state income tax in Florida? Can Yzerman talk Stamkos into a $10m per year deal using Kane/Toews as the baseline but also knowing Florida does not have a 3% income tax rate? Same could be asked of Hedman, if Tampa can put a winning team on the ice on a regular basis can they get Hedman for $7.5 - $8m knowing it ends up being more than the current examples due to taxes.
- Kucherovski

kane and toews have also won chicago multiple cups..
so with the no income tax rate and no cups does steven stamkos deserve less than kane/toews? or does his 60 goal potential rise above all of this

to be honest, i don't care what they're asking for. i say give it to them both. they're both worth it, sign the triplets to something cap friendly right NOW and then keep drafting well and the bottom 6 will work all the time.

..btw .. you should've said "stu me"

kane and toews have also won chicago multiple cups..
so with the no income tax rate and no cups does steven stamkos deserve less than kane/toews? or does his 60 goal potential rise above all of this
- RileyB77

That's a good question and probably difficult to answer. Not easy to get a pure goal scorer like Stammer in the league plus in this community he is the guy. I think on paper Stamkos probably deserves less, $9.5m - $10m per year but he also ends up with at least the same in his tiny bank account. It is hard to put a value on the face of the franchise, the team has seen a lot of loved players leave, it would be great to have a guy play his entire career in the uniform.

Stamkos is worth 11-12 million per on the open market... Hedman 6 years 40 million???? lol he's getting Subban money... try 9-10 per.... Tampa is the best team in the East.. Pittsburgh, Iles, Montreal and Washington could be 2... but a distant 2... Window is this season and next to win a cup!

If you have to choose, Hedman 8 days a week for me. He is an absolute beast. Forwards are more easy to replace than a #1 D - and yes, that means even Stamkos.

Had Tampa won the cup, Hedman would have had the extra trophy IMO.

It starts with Hedman. Stamkos is already at $7.5M cap hit so his next deal will only increase by a max of $4M per. Hedman on the other hand is only at a $4M cap hit and his next deal will bump by a minimum of $4M per. We can absorb the Stamkos bump without much roster turnover, however once Hedman's hit is when the difficult decisions will need to be made. Both contracts will have a part in the cap situation but Hedman's will be the one that puts us in decision-making mode.

Jeez don't tell me Goodell got to you too Mike….and start with Stammer if (god forbid) the Bolts find themselves to be sellers in Hedman's contract year someone spends the farm on top D-men over a number one center (who will have the biggest contract on the planet by then).
- eganator

Hedman won't be moved. Others will go to make room for Hedman

For Hedman maybe the 6 years is good but that is really a lowball figure even for today. For six years it will be much closer to 60M instead of 40M.

Look at other top D cap hits for this year: Subban 9M, Weber 7.85M, Suter 7.5M, Letang 7.25M, Campbell 7.1M, Doughty 7M, Phaneuf 7M, Chara 6.9M... And many of these have been signed a few year ago. Yet you think that 2 years from now Hedman will cost you 6.6M per year. He will be UFA so the it is going to take a LOT more to sign him.
- wardancr

Definitely. Hedman will get minimum $7M per

I think Cally gets alot of hate. He had a really good regular season with 54 points and he brings alot to the table more then points. Sure he was a disaster in the postseason but lets not throw him under the bus yet. And lets see how well Killorn plays next season to.

The term of Callys contract is a bit to long, but 5.8 sure is market value for a gritty leader that puts up 50 points.
- Cloud

No doubt. He had a great season. I think the concern stems from the following question, though: Will he continue to be a 50+ point, capable top-six forward as the contract moves along?

No doubt. He had a great season. I think the concern stems from the following question, though: Will he continue to be a 50+ point, capable top-six forward as the contract moves along?
- Michael_Stuart

Good question and maybe not BUT how do you put a value on his leadership? He is a great example for some of those younger guys who do not have the skill like Stamkos and Drouin. He plays the game hard for his teammates, now what that is worth is easily debateable.

No doubt. He had a great season. I think the concern stems from the following question, though: Will he continue to be a 50+ point, capable top-six forward as the contract moves along?
- Michael_Stuart

Being on the top six I think so. I believe having him with Stamkos and Drouin is the best option for him AND the team.

I'd trade stamkos or Hedman to the flyers. We like new shiney objects and will mortgage our future both in roster players and cap space for such an object.

I'd trade stamkos or Hedman to the flyers. We like new shiney objects and will mortgage our future both in roster players and cap space for such an object.
- jmdodgeser4

That may be, but I doubt either will be leaving ANYTIME soon. I don't believe our cap situation is as bad as it looks. Filppula will most likely be moved to accommodate Stamkos' new contract (as well as Killorn ),Coburn runs out the end of upcoming season, then Carle (retaining 2m of his hit) and Bishop runs out in 2. By end of next season, we will shed 12.05 (not including Ohlund or Gagner) in Killorn and Filppula to cover Stamkos and Kucherov, along with various lower end guys. The season after that (provided Carle goes for what I believe) another 9.45 will be off the books for Palat, Johnson and Hedman.

Defense wins championships, can't ignore that.

I think a future Norris winner should be signed before a number 1 center but when you're talking about the Stamkos and crosbys of the league you can't over look that.

Stamkos should be signed before headman but that is a tough question to ask.

They (#1C/Dman)are both extremely hard finds
Key words are "should".

I hope TB works it out for both

Starts with Stamkos. His contract is coming up first so they can set a precedent with Hedman and keep it on a "team friendly" deal.

Instead of 9 or 10. He may go with 7 - 7.5!

Good question and maybe not BUT how do you put a value on his leadership? He is a great example for some of those younger guys who do not have the skill like Stamkos and Drouin. He plays the game hard for his teammates, now what that is worth is easily debateable.
- Kucherovski

Leadership isn't worth $5.8MM per season against the cap. You give out 'leadership' contracts to guy like Morrow, as bad as he was. A long-term deal with a big cap hit shouldn't be handed out for anything but on-ice results.

Leadership isn't worth $5.8MM per season against the cap. You give out 'leadership' contracts to guy like Morrow, as bad as he was. A long-term deal with a big cap hit shouldn't be handed out for anything but on-ice results.
- Michael_Stuart

On ice results as in points? Morrow may be a leader in the room but Callahan leads on the ice, points or not. He goes hard into the corners, takes a beating in front of the net, stands up for his teammates, back checks, blocks shots. The points, 50, 60, 40 are great too. Callahan would have got that same amount, if not more, on the open market so I think his on ice leadership has great value.