I will be truthful. Most fans on here that made a projected lineup card had McCann and Cassels ahead of Bonino. We are talking about a guy that didn't have a future with this team after next year. I think Sutter has a better in front of the net game than Bones and hits more.
- VANTEL

Not this year, right? Hell, even for next year that's a stretch unless both develop really rapidly.

Pens fan said this.
- Nucker101

Yeah but they also think that they are getting Kesler in this trade. I bet halfway through the year they ask if we want Bonino back.

Not this year, right? Hell, even for next year that's a stretch unless both develop really rapidly.
- Nucker101

Cassels is very much a possibility this year. His competition is Vey

Not this year, right? Hell, even for next year that's a stretch unless both develop really rapidly.
- Nucker101

I think better said would be we had posters proposing lineups and the discussion was around us having 3 third lines

and talk of Bo being second line centre.

I think Booner is right, this just solidifies it for Horvat.

I will be truthful. Most fans on here that made a projected lineup card had McCann and Cassels ahead of Bonino. We are talking about a guy that didn't have a future with this team after next year. I think Sutter has a better in front of the net game than Bones and hits more.
- VANTEL

Most fans think Bo is better then both of those guys. Bo didn't outscore bonino. So how would those two guys be ahead of Bonino. Bonino for one more year at that cap hit scores 40 plus points would get you a first at the TDL.

Yeah but they also think that they are getting Kesler in this trade. I bet halfway through the year they ask if we want Bonino back.
- VANTEL

Doubtful, he's a similar talent to Sutter and much cheaper. Allowed them to sign Fehr and they also moved up in the draft. Their issue has always been lack of quality draft picks and a weak bottom 6, this trade helped both.

In the end, I'm confident that I will look less foolish then those who are defending every one of his moves or keep saying "it's not that bad"(you definitely don't fall into that category).
- Nucker101

It's just the chicken little attitude that gets annoying. As I said earlier I think we overpaid a little in the trade, but I also think Sutter slots in better to the role that's expected of him ( or Bonino if he was still here ).

The incessant criticism of a GM's moves 14 months into his tenure without actually taking a look at or acknowledging his long range plan is a little too much.

I'm gonna bet you cried when Linden got traded if you're even old enough to remember. Pretty much the entire city was outraged yet it turned into one of the better deals in franchise history.

Let it play out.

Cassels is very much a possibility this year. His competition is Vey
- VANTEL

I think you're underestimating WD's love for vets. If everyone stays healthy in camp,you'll end up disappointed with the opening night lineup. I said the same at the TDL this year when people thought we might sell and at the draft when people expected or hoped for Hamhuis or Vrbata gone.

Most fans think Bo is better then both of those guys. Bo didn't outscore bonino. So how would those two guys be ahead of Bonino. Bonino for one more year at that cap hit scores 40 plus points would get you a first at the TDL.
- manvanfan

Bonino will not score 40 PTs this year. He will be third line on the pens. He wouldn't score 40 here also on our 3 rd line

It's just the chicken little attitude that gets annoying. As I said earlier I think we overpaid a little in the trade, but I also think Sutter slots in better to the role that's expected of him ( or Bonino if he was still here ).

The incessant criticism of a GM's moves 14 months into his tenure without actually taking a look at or acknowledging his long range plan is a little too much.

I'm gonna bet you cried when Linden got traded if you're even old enough to remember. Pretty much the entire city was outraged yet it turned into one of the better deals in franchise history.

Let it play out.
- golfingsince

Pretty much. He actually reminds me of Shawn Matthias.
- Nucker101

That's what i was thinking as well.
Bit of head scratcher that we let Matthias walk and the flipped this package for a close replica....

I think you're underestimating WD's love for vets. If everyone stays healthy in camp,you'll end up disappointed with the opening night lineup. I said the same at the TDL this year when people thought we might sell and at the draft when people expected or hoped for Hamhuis or Vrbata gone.
- Nucker101

Vey is not a vet.

Who do you have as our 4 th line centre?

It's just the chicken little attitude that gets annoying. As I said earlier I think we overpaid a little in the trade, but I also think Sutter slots in better to the role that's expected of him ( or Bonino if he was still here ).

The incessant criticism of a GM's moves 14 months into his tenure without actually taking a look at or acknowledging his long range plan is a little too much.

I'm gonna bet you cried when Linden got traded if you're even old enough to remember. Pretty much the entire city was outraged yet it turned into one of the better deals in franchise history.

Let it play out.
- golfingsince

I'm well aware that I'm annoying.

I feel like with 90% of Benning's moves I keep hearing "well he overpaid a little...." That doesn't sound like a good GM to me.

That's what i was thinking as well.
Bit of head scratcher that we let Matthias walk and the flipped this package for a close replica....
- dbot

Yup.

Vey is not a vet.

Who do you have as our 4 th line centre?
- VANTEL

WD coached him though and he has more experience than the rookies so WD will make it so that it's his job to lose. I'd argue that Torts was more of a coach who didn't worry about pissing player's off and just tried to win(it was his actual system and style of play that he was too stubborn with).

WD has a more free-flowing system of play but he does his best to not ruffle any feathers in the locker room and is super loyal.

Vey is not a vet.

Who do you have as our 4 th line centre?
- VANTEL

Gaunce

Gaunce
- dbot

do you pronounce it 'ginch' or 'gaunch'?

Gaunce
- dbot

Gaunce is not as gritty as Cassels, not as fast, not as gifted.

Vey is not a vet.

Who do you have as our 4 th line centre?
- VANTEL

Who do I want or who do I think will be the 4LC?

Bonino will not score 40 PTs this year. He will be third line on the pens. He wouldn't score 40 here also on our 3 rd line
- VANTEL

Lol Jordan staal scored 20 goals for Pitt 4 seasons. In three years with carolina he has 31. Bonino has 39 points last season with basically no one. He will break 40 easily in Pitt.

Gaunce is not as gritty as Cassels, not as fast, not as gifted.
- VANTEL

agreed, i predict CAssels will pass G eventually, just not this season.
I say Cassels needs more seasoning. Grit can come from the wingers.
What we really need is someone strong the f/o dot.

I'm well aware that I'm annoying.

I feel like with 90% of Benning's moves I keep hearing "well he overpaid a little...." That doesn't sound like a good GM to me.
- Nucker101

You still don't know what the end game will be. Maybe he'll flip Prust for a nice pick at the deadline, maybe Sutter will be moved as well or re-signed to a reasonable deal.

You just need to relax a little.

WD coached him though and he has more experience than the rookies so WD will make it so that it's his job to lose. I'd argue that Torts was more of a coach who didn't worry about pissing player's off and just tried to win(it was his actual system and style of play that he was too stubborn with).

WD has a more free-flowing system of play but he does his best to not ruffle any feathers in the locker room and is super loyal.
- Nucker101

So you have it as Veys job to lose?


Like I said earlier this summer , if Vey is your number 4 centre , and I am Cole Cassels , I skate right over to Vey and say drop me, we are going to fight.

Who do I want or who do I think will be the 4LC?
- Nucker101

Both

Who do I want or who do I think will be the 4LC?
- Nucker101

I think I understand why now. Sutter will take mainly defensive zone faceoffs. Vey will take only offensive ones. Lose of richardson, need a legit PK center. Net front presence on the 2nd pp. He replaces Mathias 20 goals.