They did not have to give up Stroman, Sanchez, Osuna or Norris to get Donaldson or Tuli .. thats great
- senstroll

Stroman and Osuna were not on the table.
Hoffman will be better than Norris IMO....he's the one guy I didnt want to move.
glad we got rid of Reyes, his defense was declining...but we didnt save any money, didnt address a quality relief pitcher (hawkings is ok) and we coughed up some prospects.

But TT brings more power and an upgrade at short.

Yeah I am not following where people are seeing a problem with this trade. It's a great trade.

Like they said on the radio this morning. AA, just dropped the mic on the league and walked out of the room.

between this, and the Donaldson trade, I think they should keep AA regardless of where they finish this year.
- Aetherial

Its a big trade out of nowhere.
But he needs to address pitching in the off season.

Yeah I am not following where people are seeing a problem with this trade. It's a great trade.

Like they said on the radio this morning. AA, just dropped the mic on the league and walked out of the room.

between this, and the Donaldson trade, I think they should keep AA regardless of where they finish this year.
- Aetherial

I agree

http://www.fangraphs.com/...-and-upgrading-strengths/

While I’m sure there will be plenty of people arguing that the Blue Jays should have taken the path of least resistance and upgraded the pitching staff instead, the reality in baseball is that a run is a run is a run. You win games by outscoring your opponents, and you don’t get any less credit for winning 7-5 than you do 5-3. Troy Tulowitzki will help the Blue Jays score more runs, so while he’s not going to help the team’s run prevention improve that much, those runs he creates will still count in the final tally.

When people argue against upgrading strengths, they’re really arguing for the presence of diminishing returns, but in baseball, the evidence actually supports the idea that adding a good hitter to an already good line-up actually returns a higher level of value, not a lower one.

Based on reports AA is trying to get a SP, the offer for carasco is big..but still wasnt enough.. He is just not willing to trade 2/3 top prospects for a 10-15 game rental

Whatever mark it will be, will be a bad one. Look at the Devils right now Do you really want to become THEM
- holeinone

What? 3 time Stanley Cup winners and twice runners up in the last 20 years?

Erm, yup. I'd like to become them

Stroman and Osuna were not on the table.
Hoffman will be better than Norris IMO....he's the one guy I didnt want to move.
glad we got rid of Reyes, his defense was declining...but we didnt save any money, didnt address a quality relief pitcher (hawkings is ok) and we coughed up some prospects.

But TT brings more power and an upgrade at short.
- Fakepartofme

what are you basing that off of?
What makes you like Hoffman so much?

excellent...I am glad
Its nice to enjoy other sports

Like some here who like Baseball
- senstroll

No problems with that, but please go and discuss these in Garth's thread then haha

Its a big trade out of nowhere.
But he needs to address pitching in the off season.
- Fakepartofme

$34M off the books, this offense is loaded, should be much easier now to sign a big arm or two to join Stroman, Hutch, Sanchez and Norris.

what are you basing that off of?
What makes you like Hoffman so much?
- senstroll

Probably how fast he's went through the organization. But if I recall Dustin McGowan did the exact same thing, before blowing up his arm. I think Harris made this trade easier to do. Plus four more top 60 picks this season.

Reyes reminds me of JVR


Leafs losing 8- 1, JVR big smile on his face


Jays getting crushed, Reyes acts like hes (frank)ing winning the game


cant stand player like that, like nothing matters and everything is a joke all the time
- poohcrumbs

Now we are going to pick on JVR, geez give me a break - is there lots of video of this on YouTube, maybe I am missing something? Just seems like many devalue the players like crazy on this team. First its Kessel, then Dion and now we are going to go after JVR the guy with the great contract who is still young and has upside on our first line.

Now we are going to pick on JVR, geez give me a break - is there lots of video of this on YouTube, maybe I am missing something? Just seems like many devalue the players like crazy on this team. First its Kessel, then Dion and now we are going to go after JVR the guy with the great contract who is still young and has upside on our first line.
- BKups

I don't quite get the comparison either......

Now we are going to pick on JVR, geez give me a break - is there lots of video of this on YouTube, maybe I am missing something? Just seems like many devalue the players like crazy on this team. First its Kessel, then Dion and now we are going to go after JVR the guy with the great contract who is still young and has upside on our first line.
- BKups

He needs to (frank)ing turn it up a notch, had a great start last year and then went flatter than piss on a plate

And stop that (frank)ing fancy poop too

Probably how fast he's went through the organization. But if I recall Dustin McGowan did the exact same thing, before blowing up his arm. I think Harris made this trade easier to do. Plus four more top 60 picks this season.
- mykokes

they should get another 1st from Beurle
Baseball prospects are such unknowns..we only hear about the few that work out and not the hundreds that dont

The trade on it's own is fine. It's a great deal on the surface.

However, how does AA or anyone think this makes the team closer to the playoffs? AA seems to think they'll just out hit everyone.

All I think is that yes AA has made moves to improve the club in the positions he's done it in. SS and 3rd Base. I don't like the fact that those positions weren't the highest on the "need" list.

If he was willing to trade Hoffman I think a pitcher could have been had. Hopefully he gets one.

Its a big trade out of nowhere.
But he needs to address pitching in the off season.
- Fakepartofme

That's nice and all but the bats in their prime only have a year left. If they aren't pushing to win then I doubt they re-sign.

Not according to my buddy The Law; Shanny is just a PR puppet according to him, with all of the assistant GMs and GMs making independent decisions...
- MaximusAurelius

I thought I read he stamps everything?

He needs to (frank)ing turn it up a notch, had a great start last year and then went flatter than piss on a plate

And stop that (frank)ing fancy poop too
- Garnie

Hmm, but didn't the entire team fall flat last year with the exception of a few?

The guy has talent and value, I don't care if he tries that fancy stuff once in a while, sure every game is a bit much but not enough bother me at this point.

what are you basing that off of?
What makes you like Hoffman so much?
- senstroll

Just from what Ive seen and read.
Ive really liked Hoffman ever since the Jays got him.
Again, just an opinion.
I havent been blown away by Norris like some fans have.

cricket
darts
petanque
billiards
etc.


- MaximusAurelius

What! No bowling!!!!!

The trade on it's own is fine. It's a great deal on the surface.

However, how does AA or anyone think this makes the team closer to the playoffs? AA seems to think they'll just out hit everyone.

All I think is that yes AA has made moves to improve the club in the positions he's done it in. SS and 3rd Base. I don't like the fact that those positions weren't the highest on the "need" list.

If he was willing to trade Hoffman I think a pitcher could have been had. Hopefully he gets one.
- Aaron_85

If you're a free agent this offseason, and you are looking for a team that provides run support, and need an example of how that run support can positively impact your record (drew hutchinson), you just may consider joining said team that is the Blue Jays. Not to mention 20M (beurle) 12M (Richardey) 2M (difference in Reyes and Tulu's salary)=34M off the books.

The trade on it's own is fine. It's a great deal on the surface.

However, how does AA or anyone think this makes the team closer to the playoffs? AA seems to think they'll just out hit everyone.

All I think is that yes AA has made moves to improve the club in the positions he's done it in. SS and 3rd Base. I don't like the fact that those positions weren't the highest on the "need" list.

If he was willing to trade Hoffman I think a pitcher could have been had. Hopefully he gets one.
- Aaron_85

Also, tolu has some injury issues.....and playing on turf wont help that out.
I hope it works out.
Hopefully this means Edwin will be traded.

That's nice and all but the bats in their prime only have a year left. If they aren't pushing to win then I doubt they re-sign.
- Aaron_85

Joey Bats and Edwin? Maybe this is about preemptively making life easier without them too. Just saying, lots of reasons.

If you're a free agent this offseason, and you are looking for a team that provides run support, and need an example of how that run support can positively impact your record (drew hutchinson), you just may consider joining said team that is the Blue Jays. Not to mention 20M (beurle) 12M (Richardey) 2M (difference in Reyes and Tulu's salary)=34M off the books.
- mykokes

Its a lot of cash...but you need 3 starters and bullpen help and cash left over to sign Bautista next year.

Joey Bats and Edwin? Maybe this is about preemptively making life easier without them too. Just saying, lots of reasons.
- mykokes

This sets up Marting, Donaldson and Tolu to be your cornerstones to replace Edwin and Bautista.

Also, tolu has some injury issues.....and playing on turf wont help that out.
I hope it works out.
Hopefully this means Edwin will be traded.
- Fakepartofme

Some? That's quite the understatement.

He's hugely famous amongst fantasy baseball players

The trade on it's own is fine. It's a great deal on the surface.

However, how does AA or anyone think this makes the team closer to the playoffs? AA seems to think they'll just out hit everyone.

All I think is that yes AA has made moves to improve the club in the positions he's done it in. SS and 3rd Base. I don't like the fact that those positions weren't the highest on the "need" list.

If he was willing to trade Hoffman I think a pitcher could have been had. Hopefully he gets one.
- Aaron_85

If you read the article I posted..an example is Houston adding Kazmir

Over the remainder of this season, the gap between the two shortstops is estimated at roughly one win, or roughly the same upgrade the Astros got by adding Scott Kazmir to their rotation, and again, that’s without considering the non-linear nature of run scoring. So, while going from Reyes to Tulowitzki might not be quite as impactful in 2015 value as landing a guy like Johnny Cueto, the upgrade is along the same lines as adding any of the next tier of pitchers.

always other things to consider