gotcha. don't see it happening, but gotcha.

What do you think a reasonable asking price could be when they're on expiring contracts? assuming salary is retained and not an obstacle for a team acquiring the twins?

Maybe....a 1st
high end prospect (perhaps a Dman)
2nd line (Top 6) expendable winger
and a 2nd rounder.

Would be an expensive purchase, but as a buyer you would have the assurance that they play together and would more than likely find some chemistry with any number of wingers (unlike signing 2 random players from diff teams and hoping for the best).
- dbot

So, if this was their final year, and you were trying to trade with Nsh something like
1st
2nd
Colin Wilson
Josi/Jones (whomever they chose)

gotcha. don't see it happening, but gotcha.

What do you think a reasonable asking price could be when they're on expiring contracts? assuming salary is retained and not an obstacle for a team acquiring the twins?

Maybe....a 1st
high end prospect (perhaps a Dman)
2nd line (Top 6) expendable winger
and a 2nd rounder.

Would be an expensive purchase, but as a buyer you would have the assurance that they play together and would more than likely find some chemistry with any number of wingers (unlike signing 2 random players from diff teams and hoping for the best).
- dbot

If I was them as much as I like the city , the team , and the fans , I still want to win. The only thing they haven't done is win the cup. They hav made it there, they have won scoring championships , and even a best player of the league award. There is only one thing left to do.that won't happen here with them.

They would need to find the perfect storm. A team that is close , a team that wants them both , a team that can afford both. IMO Nashville is that team and were in the running to get Kessel so why not 2 years plus from the Twins?

So, if this was their final year, and you were trying to trade with Nsh something like
1st
2nd
Colin Wilson
Josi/Jones (whomever they chose)
- dbot

for two 37 yr olds

I mean trading this year so Nash would get 3 years of offense not just one. They would give up more now
- VANTEL

The Sedins are far and away my favourite players, but I would do that deal in a second and then wish Nashville luck.

I don't like posting in other team threads but I mean, this post is really dumb. You think you are the only one watching games that understands and sees in-game coaching adjustments or something?

Yes Hartley out coached Desjardins but WD was also a rookie coach. Look at Therrien in the lockout year 1st round. Got his ass handed to him by Walrus, learned from it and is a much better playoff coach for it. The guy was in his first PO series with a team that no one really expected to be ranked that highly going into the
POs. how can you not want to give him another kick at that can before messing with things behind the bench?!

Oh, and if you're going to place yourself on a pedestal like that, you might want to get your info right. Cooper, Carlyle and Sutter are NOT quick to make in-game adjustments if they make any at all. Just because they have good teams that can turn it on, does not mean the strategy itself changed.
- kev1586

Can't say that I disagree. WD got out coached, it was plain to see. But if you don't want to give a guy the chance to learn, then don't hire a rookie coach.

for two 37 yr olds
- A_SteamingLombardi

You forgot to mention that they're Swedish twins. That instantly ups their value a couple of toonies.

for two 37 yr olds
- A_SteamingLombardi

If they are both still in the top 25, maybe even top 50 if they slip a lot... , does age mean anything? A team wants them for the 2nd line and 2nd pp., they know what they are getting.

Any comparables when trading for a two player package? How about just players of their pedigree on expiring contracts? What did the Lightning get for St.Louis? double it? take less because it is a package deal? take more because these 2 players have the chemistry together and should be able to produce better together on a line than if it was just one of them? they are going to get their points.

But I can't see them being moved.

If they are both still in the top 25, maybe even top 50 if they slip a lot... , does age mean anything? A team wants them for the 2nd line and 2nd pp., they know what they are getting.

Any comparables when trading for a two player package? How about just players of their pedigree on expiring contracts? What did the Lightning get for St.Louis? double it? take less because it is a package deal? take more because these 2 players have the chemistry together and should be able to produce better together on a line than if it was just one of them? they are going to get their points.

But I can't see them being moved.
- hillbillydeluxe

Anyway you look at it they are rentals, you could never get that package in their final year.

Anyway you look at it they are rentals, you could never get that package in their final year.
- A_SteamingLombardi

At the TDL, you hear both arguments for a return. Paying for them because they are seldom available and on expiring contracts- club may have cap issues the following year if they still had a year or two on their contracts.

Paying them for that short time and to leave after...

We always see overpayments for rentals at every tdl.

I am more in agreement with your line of thinking though, if I was gm, I wouldn't want to overpay for rentals, doesn't sound practical. But they still do.

Anyway you look at it they are rentals, you could never get that package in their final year.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I agree . Rentals will get a lot less. If they are going to move 14 mil in salary then the time is this TDL . I believe the were both top 10 in scoring last year. That is where you would get the high return.

My GF came by this morning at 7:30, I was still sleeping. She comes in and tells me she's dropping off a bunch of stuff to do a big batch of baking this weekend. She leaves and I get up and start my day, I moved her stuff and discovered her 4 bags of chocolate chips. I've been doing my best Fosco impersonation all day, I haven't smeared melted chocolate into a leather couch, but she's going to need a couple more bags, by the weekend she'll need 4 more bags.

At the TDL, you hear both arguments for a return. Paying for them because they are seldom available and on expiring contracts- club may have cap issues the following year if they still had a year or two on their contracts.

Paying them for that short time and to leave after...

We always see overpayments for rentals at every tdl.

I am more in agreement with your line of thinking though, if I was gm, I wouldn't want to overpay for rentals, doesn't sound practical. But they still do.
- hillbillydeluxe

If it was their last year then it's a ridiculous price to pay, but if it's for a couple of years than... maybe?

I agree . Rentals will get a lot less. If they are going to move 14 mil in salary then the time is this TDL . I believe the were both top 10 in scoring last year. That is where you would get the high return.
- VANTEL

If it was their last year then it's a ridiculous price to pay, but if it's for a couple of years than... maybe?
- CubanBuffet

If it's for a couple of years we will be eating salary.

If it's for a couple of years we will be eating salary.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Is that a problem?

Is that a problem?
- CubanBuffet

Not in my opinion

If it's for a couple of years we will be eating salary.
- A_SteamingLombardi

If you were getting 3 good pieces back and 10 mil in cap space it would still be Ok

Not in my opinion
- A_SteamingLombardi

Me either. We get some assets back to speed up the re-whatever-we're-calling-it-today, Nashville gets the Sedins for a few years at a reduced salary and the Sedins get a couple of legitimate shots at the cup. It's the elusive win/win/win.

Then you don't truly understand the game and the role of a playoff coach. Not many people actually see strategy changes made by coaches. Some do however. It's literally a chess match.
Sometimes I wish I had the opportunity to take tape and show people what happened. Hartley exploited our defensive weaknesses. And WD had no answer till game 5. Too late. Hartley immediately adjust back and wins the series.

Both teams were determined to win. To say the canucks weren't is simply retarded. You seriously think an ENTIRE team just choked. That's bullpoop.

I wish some of you could see the deeper aspects of the game and understand differences in coaches. Tweaker win playoff series by exploiting other teams weaknesses and tendencies, non tweak coaches do not but instead have good regular seasons.
JQ us a tweaker, and john cooper, babcock., carlyle, sutter, julien, laviolette. .......AV is not, nor is budreau.
- SMBDragon

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean a don't understand the role of a coach...you did exact same argument a week or 2 ago. And were promptly told by many posters who were high level athletes that you over-estimate the role the coach plays.

Yes the coach prepares the team to play a particular system after analyzing the other teams playing style, everyone is pumped and jacked to the point they have to contain their nerves, except the more experienced players who have been there before.

Vrbata got pasted in game 1(gun shy afterwards) and never became the true threat of the sniper the canucks needed. Bonino was injured, Sedins were shut down, Beiksa was aloof and did an unbelievable job...no an outstanding job of completing awesome passes to the flames players. Lack was mediocre at best, Miller was injured and played like it. Horvat was a stud, the only bright spot on a under achieving team that over achieved in the regular season.

Yes yes yes the coach has a role in the way players are prepared, but the players playing style determine the outcome of the game.

I found your reply quite condescending, if your such a phenom at understanding coaching philosophies you must have been one of my instructors, of the 3 national coaching certificates I have achieved. (they were in soccer but the philosophies are similar)

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean a don't understand the role of a coach...you did exact same argument a week or 2 ago. And were promptly told by many posters who were high level athletes that you over-estimate the role the coach plays.

Yes the coach prepares the team to play a particular system after analyzing the other teams playing style, everyone is pumped and jacked to the point they have to contain their nerves, except the more experienced players who have been there before.

Vrbata got pasted in game 1(gun shy afterwards) and never became the true threat of the sniper the canucks needed. Bonino was injured, Sedins were shut down, Beiksa was aloof and did an unbelievable job...no an outstanding job of completing awesome passes to the flames players. Lack was mediocre at best, Miller was injured and played like it. Horvat was a stud, the only bright spot on a under achieving team that over achieved in the regular season.

Yes yes yes the coach has a role in the way players are prepared, but the players playing style determine the outcome of the game.

I found your reply quite condescending, if your such a phenom at understanding coaching philosophies you must have been one of my instructors, of the 3 national coaching certificates I have achieved. (they were in soccer but the philosophies are similar)
- Makita

I like to use Phil Jackson as an example. No one has ever accused him of being a great teacher of the game or a master strategist but he was able to manage and control massive egos.

for two 37 yr olds
- A_SteamingLombardi

this scenario was if they accepted a trade this year (putting them at 34/45)

this scenario was if they accepted a trade this year (putting them at 34/45)
- dbot

Your post said final year so I thought it was the final year of their contract.

I like to use Phil Jackson as an example. No one has ever accused him of being a great teacher of the game or a master strategist but he was able to manage and control massive egos.
- bloatedmosquito

That team had some massive egos for sure, and it was impressive how he kept them all in check.

There are many variables to playing (and winning) any sport, and everyone is entitled to their beliefs...but to say that the coaching is the reason for this teams playoff failure, is asinine at best.

Again many variables...a rookie coach being out coached by an seasoned veteran coach, is only one variable...Beiksa was 3 all on his own.

Your post said final year so I thought it was the final year of their contract.
- A_SteamingLombardi

right. my back to the future, time travel and alt universe scenario's are confusing me.
What are they worth today if traded?
what are they going to be worth at end of their contract (@ 37 years old)?

right. my back to the future, time travel and alt universe scenario's are confusing me.
What are they worth today if traded?
what are they going to be worth at end of their contract (@ 37 years old)?
- dbot

If we eat 1/2 the salary we might get that package.