Scuderi can probably be moved close to the deadline, but the return will be minimal.

Edit: poop, he's got ANOTHER year after this one? Yeah, I'd go buy out.
- jmatchett383

Yes he has another year. Plus he has a limited NMC.

What no uppercut?

I'm not defending Scuds but from a business prospective I see why he wasn't bought out. You would hope that there is enough experience to go around but remember next seasons D is very raw, hopefully Scuds will be sitting eating potato salad & only used if one of our young guys is overwhelmed. Otherwise (frank) him (frank) the overwhelmed sissies & throw them to the wolves to sink or swim!
- Aussiepenguin

Let me put it this way:

You run a business that has 10 people total. One of them is an IT person who makes $100K per year, and you've contracted him to be your IT guy for 2 more years, but his performance has slipped.

You can hire another guy that is better for half of his salary, but you'd have to pay the existing guy 30% of his salary to buy him out. You're saving money and improving your performance. But according to you, that is a bad business decision. I disagree.

Pretty sure he just signed an RFA deal 2 years 1 way
- dbell646

He goes down via waivers. He plays with the big boys this year. Or I'm full of poop - again!

Pretty sure he just signed an RFA deal 2 years 1 way
- dbell646

Whoops, my bad.

Okay, so you have 8 guys on 1-way deals. Even more reason.

Why is Sid + Geno vs Toews + Kane being debated?

Sid and Geno are the better players hands down.

Even then, winning the Cup is a TEAM award.

I see the argument for Bowman vs Shero, but 19/88 over 87/71? C'mon, give me a break. The off season must be having some weird effects here.

Let me put it this way:

You run a business that has 10 people total. One of them is an IT person who makes $100K per year, and you've contracted him to be your IT guy for 2 more years, but his performance has slipped.

You can hire another guy that is better for half of his salary, but you'd have to pay the existing guy 30% of his salary to buy him out. You're saving money and improving your performance. But according to you, that is a bad business decision. I disagree.
- jmatchett383

If that other guy catches some unlucky breaks & cannot work for me (he's a Pens fan also), I then have to replace him & pay someone else - not sure over there but over here I pay sick leave, superannuation, holidays & when number 1 guy comes back a few weeks notice when I don't need him any more (more money for nothing & no chicks for free) - or we keep the old fella get him to do some toilet shifts so I don't pay a cleaner & sub him in when needed - poop I don't drink coffee but (frank) it he can make some anyway.

Whoops, my bad.

Okay, so you have 8 guys on 1-way deals. Even more reason.
- jmatchett383

1 will be in a trade when it happens is my thinking.

If that other guy catches some unlucky breaks & cannot work for me (he's a Pens fan also), I then have to replace him & pay someone else - not sure over there but over here I pay sick leave, superannuation, holidays & when number 1 guy comes back a few weeks notice when I don't need him any more (more money for nothing & no chicks for free) - or we keep the old fella get him to do some toilet shifts so I don't pay a cleaner & sub him in when needed - poop I don't drink coffee but (frank) it he can make some anyway.
- Aussiepenguin

So you'd be cool paying a guy $100K for 2 years so he can clean your toilets and make you coffee as opposed to paying him $20K for 2 years to not work for you....you see how I have a hard time agreeing with you?

1 will be in a trade when it happens is my thinking.
- Aussiepenguin

Okay. Still 7.

So you'd be cool paying a guy $100K for 2 years so he can clean your toilets and make you coffee as opposed to paying him $20K for 2 years to not work for you....you see how I have a hard time agreeing with you?
- jmatchett383

I understand your argument but also see side B. From what I heard listening to the games Scuds isn't as bad as everyone here says he is. He is a known commodity & next seasons D is not. I love this little phrase;

Better to have & not need, than need & not have.

I think we will be seeing a fair bit of Mr Scuderi on the ice next season & when he doesn't perform you can be the first to point that out to me. Hopefully he can/will be traded so he can play & we move forward.

You just can't make a blanket statement without looking at the details.

What happened to Sid 3 years ago? He got blasted in the face by Orpik right before the end of the season. He was playing incredible hockey before that. Orpik then breaks his jaw like a potato chip and he clearly...CLEARLY....was not the same player when he returned. Drinking your meals for weeks will do that to you. He was obviously timid too. Chara punching your freshly healed jaw won't help either.

Two years ago, Sid played the most minutes of any forward in the league. I'm fairly certain he played the most minutes of any forward in the Olympics. There was also the rumored "wrist injury". Both him and Kunitz came back and looked like sh*t. Oh and Gibbons was his RW. Maybe the worst player he's ever had to carry.

Last year... He carried the team the best he could. They were just too broken.

It's easy to pick them apart by looking at the results. But not looking at the the circumstances is ridiculous. Call them excuses....whatever. Doesn't change the fact that him and the team have had zero luck with injury and the supporting cast has been largely garbage.
- madmike71

Yes, and despite all of this, still have produced more in the playoffs than Toews and Kane over the last 5 years.

I understand your argument but also see side B. From what I heard listening to the games Scuds isn't as bad as everyone here says he is. He is a known commodity & next seasons D is not. I love this little phrase;

Better to have & not need, than need & not have.

I think we will be seeing a fair bit of Mr Scuderi on the ice next season & when he doesn't perform you can be the first to point that out to me. Hopefully he can/will be traded so he can play & we move forward.
- Aussiepenguin

No, I get both sides. And I heard that Scuderi improved last year (which, really, was a virtual given as he had nowhere to go but up). I didn't renew my package, so I was relegated to national broadcast when my daughter allowed my wife and I to watch TV. So yes, if he is going to be an important part of your defense for the coming 2 years, even in a reduced role, and it doesn't restrict you from improving in other areas, then I can see keeping him. But I still say it saves money in the end, whether or not it's a sour pill to swallow is debatable.

No, I get both sides. And I heard that Scuderi improved last year (which, really, was a virtual given as he had nowhere to go but up). I didn't renew my package, so I was relegated to national broadcast when my daughter allowed my wife and I to watch TV. So yes, if he is going to be an important part of your defense for the coming 2 years, even in a reduced role, and it doesn't restrict you from improving in other areas, then I can see keeping him. But I still say it saves money in the end, whether or not it's a sour pill to swallow is debatable.
- jmatchett383

Scuderi is literally the worst defense of the 8 mentioned. He is a liability in every area. He gets Destroyed on the pk despite people saying he is good. He can't skate and continuously kills offensive momentum by dumping the puck into the corners time and time again.

With each passing day, do you guys see it all reasonable to take a flyer on Semin for a one year deal? If the cost is manageable, I feel there is potential for some chemistry between Malkin and Semin.

I understand your argument but also see side B. From what I heard listening to the games Scuds isn't as bad as everyone here says he is. He is a known commodity & next seasons D is not. I love this little phrase;


- Aussiepenguin

a known commodity as a bad player...

With each passing day, do you guys see it all reasonable to take a flyer on Semin for a one year deal? If the cost is manageable, I feel there is potential for some chemistry between Malkin and Semin.
- Weisenheimer

I was willing to take him on at $3.5M before Kessel. Now that we are so tight on the cap he would have to come very cheap, like $2M or less....and we still need to clear space elsewhere.

So I like the idea of taking a flyer. But I dont think its going to happen. Kunitz, even without the hands of old, plays the perfect complimentary game for one of the top 6 lines...and should be serviceable on the third line. Semin and Kunitz are both risks to a certain extent but I think we probably need a Kunitz more than a Semin...especially given Semin is a RH-RW which we have plenty of. So unless we do the impossible and get rid of Scuds...dont see it happening.

I understand your argument but also see side B. From what I heard listening to the games Scuds isn't as bad as everyone here says he is. He is a known commodity & next seasons D is not. I love this little phrase;

Better to have & not need, than need & not have.

I think we will be seeing a fair bit of Mr Scuderi on the ice next season & when he doesn't perform you can be the first to point that out to me. Hopefully he can/will be traded so he can play & we move forward.
- Aussiepenguin

Nah, Scuderi improved, but improved from atrocious to awful. He's useless in a puck moving system. Buying him out is better for the team, sorry but I agree with jmatchett's logic on this one, I'd much rather buy him out than ride his contract out.

Nah, Scuderi improved, but improved from atrocious to awful. He's useless in a puck moving system. Buying him out is better for the team, sorry but I agree with jmatchett's logic on this one, I'd much rather buy him out than ride his contract out.
- j.boyd919

I think most of us would rather take the buyout route, but you do realize the buyout window for this season has closed, right?

I think most of us would rather take the buyout route, but you do realize the buyout window for this season has closed, right?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Yes for this season, which I believe was a mistake. I'm hoping he's bought out after this season though. They'd only be on the hook for 2 seasons as opposed to 4, I think, and a lesser amount to boot.

I think most of us would rather take the buyout route, but you do realize the buyout window for this season has closed, right?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Yeah, you can't just buy a guy out any given day. Isn't there another window between preseason/opening night? Or am I imagining that?

Yeah, you can't just buy a guy out any given day. Isn't there another window between preseason/opening night? Or am I imagining that?
- jmatchett383

http://www.silversevensen...out-rules-refresher-guide

Nope, think you're just imagining that hahaha. Only other buyout chance is like a 3 day window after arbitration

http://www.silversevensens.com/2015/6/10/8737195/nhl-buyout-rules-refresher-guide

Nope, think you're just imagining that hahaha. Only other buyout chance is like a 3 day window after arbitration
- j.boyd919

That may have been what I was thinking. The Pens don't have anyone going to arbitration, do they?

You can send him down, but he's on a 1-way contract, so you're not saving any money there. Dumoulin is the only one with a shot at the roster who's on a 2-way deal (well, Maata and Pouliot both are too, technically).
- jmatchett383

Dumo just signed a one way deal

Dumo just signed a one way deal
- Dcoms

Like I said, I was wrong.

So you'd be cool paying a guy $100K for 2 years so he can clean your toilets and make you coffee as opposed to paying him $20K for 4 years to not work for you....you see how I have a hard time agreeing with you?
- jmatchett383

To be fair it would be more like the above. Not a huge difference, but still.