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AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 15 @ 3:37 PM ET
The defense is shaky but if guys get hurt or play really badly Hextall will have Morin, Ghost, Hagg, Alt and Marti to call on.
- Feanor


True enough, and I won't even lie: I do like the forwards quite a bit. PP could be absolutely humming if something like that was in play
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 15 @ 3:39 PM ET
There is that -- if Umberger looks brutal this year, you'd almost have to be pulling the cord on a buyout
- AllInForFlyers

Pretty sure buying out RJ after 15-16 was the plan all along
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 15 @ 3:40 PM ET
Pretty sure buying out RJ after 15-16 was the plan all along
- BiggE


I did always think that was in their back pocket. With Voracek about to get paid, kinda hard to see how that won't be in play
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jul 15 @ 4:01 PM ET
Expansion draft rules from 2000:

26 of the 28 teams existing in the league at the time of the draft were each allowed to protect either one goaltender, five defensemen, and nine forwards or two goaltenders, three defensemen, and seven forwards. The Atlanta Thrashers and Nashville Predators had their entire rosters protected, as they were the two newest franchises in the league, only being in existence for one and two years respectively.

For teams protecting only one goaltender, there was no experience requirement for those left unprotected. For teams protecting two goaltenders, each goaltender left unprotected must have appeared in either 10 NHL games in the 1999–2000 season or 25 games in the 1998–99 season and 1999–2000 seasons combined. A goaltender had to be in net for at least 31 minutes in each game for the game to be counted against these totals.

At least one defenceman left unprotected by each team had to have appeared in at least 40 games in the 1999–2000 season or 70 games in the 1998–99 season and 1999–2000 seasons combined. At least two forwards left unprotected by each team had to have met the same requirements.

52 players were chosen in the draft, two from each participating franchise. Only one goaltender or one defenseman could be selected from each franchise. Both the Blue Jackets and the Wild were to use their first 24 selections on three goaltenders, eight defensemen, and thirteen forwards. The final two picks for each team could be any position.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 15 @ 4:08 PM ET
True enough, and I won't even lie: I do like the forwards quite a bit. PP could be absolutely humming if something like that was in play
- AllInForFlyers




I know it was Germany, but damn that guy has a cannon.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 15 @ 4:22 PM ET
What's Robidas got left? I assume it's ugly?
- AllInForFlyers


Best snoot since Lappy.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 15 @ 4:23 PM ET


Justin schultz gets 1 year 3.9 for oilers.. did he just give mdz 4 million+? Christ oilers.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 15 @ 4:25 PM ET
Expansion draft rules from 2000:

26 of the 28 teams existing in the league at the time of the draft were each allowed to protect either one goaltender, five defensemen, and nine forwards or two goaltenders, three defensemen, and seven forwards. The Atlanta Thrashers and Nashville Predators had their entire rosters protected, as they were the two newest franchises in the league, only being in existence for one and two years respectively.

For teams protecting only one goaltender, there was no experience requirement for those left unprotected. For teams protecting two goaltenders, each goaltender left unprotected must have appeared in either 10 NHL games in the 1999–2000 season or 25 games in the 1998–99 season and 1999–2000 seasons combined. A goaltender had to be in net for at least 31 minutes in each game for the game to be counted against these totals.

At least one defenceman left unprotected by each team had to have appeared in at least 40 games in the 1999–2000 season or 70 games in the 1998–99 season and 1999–2000 seasons combined. At least two forwards left unprotected by each team had to have met the same requirements.

52 players were chosen in the draft, two from each participating franchise. Only one goaltender or one defenseman could be selected from each franchise. Both the Blue Jackets and the Wild were to use their first 24 selections on three goaltenders, eight defensemen, and thirteen forwards. The final two picks for each team could be any position.

- nails


so they can have Vinny umberger amac no problem !!
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jul 15 @ 4:28 PM ET
so they can have Vinny umberger amac no problem !!

- Tfaehner


Problem is if vinny sits, he doesn't meet the 40 game qualification.
Have to play him.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 15 @ 4:29 PM ET
Justin schultz gets 1 year 3.9 for oilers.. did he just give mdz 4 million+? Christ oilers.
- Tfaehner


Pass.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 15 @ 4:35 PM ET
Pass.
- 77rams


Can't lose him for nothing. If he does get awarded those type of figures trade deadline bye bye. Take into account schultz is paid Canadian. The actual value is below what it would be for mdz.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 15 @ 4:38 PM ET
Problem is if vinny sits, he doesn't meet the 40 game qualification.
Have to play him.

- nails



Despite all of Vinny glaring opportunities and diminishing skills I still find it hard to say that umberger and journey players vv bellemare and white are significantly better players than him. He still has a lethal shot which is why I don't understand why berube never ran set ups for him to be in the slot and let them rip. Now I'm not seeing he's worth top line minutes but if used more effectively he can produce better than umberger can.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 15 @ 4:40 PM ET
Problem is if vinny sits, he doesn't meet the 40 game qualification.
Have to play him.

- nails

No one is going to take a useless old fart like Vinny in an expansion draft anyway. Why take him when you can get a Raffl, Read, PEB or White type. If every team is giving up two players I don't see how anyone would choose Vinny.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 15 @ 4:47 PM ET
No one is going to take a useless old fart like Vinny in an expansion draft anyway. Why take him when you can get a Raffl, Read, PEB or White type. If every team is giving up two players I don't see how anyone would choose Vinny.
- hereticpride

There will have to be store openings he can help out with, right?
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 15 @ 4:55 PM ET
Can't lose him for nothing. If he does get awarded those type of figures trade deadline bye bye. Take into account schultz is paid Canadian. The actual value is below what it would be for mdz.
- Tfaehner


I could let him walk for 4+ mil. I'd have to see a full solid season from him before I'd consider that type of salary.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 15 @ 5:00 PM ET
Despite all of Vinny glaring opportunities and diminishing skills I still find it hard to say that umberger and journey players vv bellemare and white are significantly better players than him. He still has a lethal shot which is why I don't understand why berube never ran set ups for him to be in the slot and let them rip. Now I'm not seeing he's worth top line minutes but if used more effectively he can produce better than umberger can.
- Tfaehner


The trouble is, all that Vinny has is a shot. He's bad at puck possession, he's not a good two way player, he's slow, he's not physical.

Those other guys, at least the Bellemares, VandeVeldes and Whites bring more to the table in a bottom six role. If Umbgerger is fully healthy, he probably does as well
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 15 @ 5:01 PM ET
I could let him walk for 4+ mil. I'd have to see a full solid season from him before I'd consider that type of salary.
- 77rams


Do it for one season and deal him for picks at the TDL. What does it matter this season, Flyers aren't likely to be a contender or need space for a deadline addition
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jul 15 @ 5:14 PM ET
Do it for one season and deal him for picks at the TDL. What does it matter this season, Flyers aren't likely to be a contender or need space for a deadline addition
- Jsaquella


That's a good point I was leaning the other way, but why let a possibly valuable trade chip go for nothing without truly needing the cap space. Just hope the arbitration doesn't put us over the cap ceiling.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 15 @ 5:20 PM ET
Do it for one season and deal him for picks at the TDL. What does it matter this season, Flyers aren't likely to be a contender or need space for a deadline addition
- Jsaquella


I see what you're saying and I thought about just that, but I wouldn't want to set a bad precedent for myself for the future. He just didn't perform well enough consistently to earn that kind of salary yet.

Now if Hextall could move a salary (AMac/LSchenn) or two between now and the hearing, maybe I'd reconsider it. Otherwise, I'd offer Trevor Daley numbers.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 15 @ 5:22 PM ET
so they can have Vinny umberger amac no problem !!

- Tfaehner


Vinny's got a NMC, they'll have to protect him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 15 @ 5:23 PM ET
Laughton is over valued in philly. The sentiment is not so league wide as we think it is. Deeper teams will have a lot better exposed.
- Tfaehner


What exactly is Laughton's value around the League?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 15 @ 5:25 PM ET
Jesper fast and jt miller signed for under a million per

Nice to know the Rangers 4th liners skating circles around us will make about half of what we're paying vinny to munch on gourmet popcorn in the Shelley suite
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 15 @ 5:30 PM ET
Yeah. At this time next year, it's a fair chance that Luke Schenn and Umberger are gone, which just leaves us with the horror of Wheels to deal with

And really, almost every team has one horrific contract

The Flyers just need to figure out how to make it so MacDonald plays 17-18 minutes a night and doesn't look like he should be getting scratched -- if he does that, then at least you're getting something out of him

- AllInForFlyers


MacDonald isn't a player you're just hoping to get something out of. He's a much better player that that. He should be playing around 20 minutes a night in a top 4 role
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 15 @ 5:31 PM ET
Jesper fast and jt miller signed for under a million per

Nice to know the Rangers 4th liners skating circles around us will make about half of what we're paying vinny to munch on gourmet popcorn in the Shelley suite

- Just5


It isn't gourmet.... plentiful, though, and free
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 15 @ 5:33 PM ET
I see what you're saying and I thought about just that, but I wouldn't want to set a bad precedent for myself for the future. He just didn't perform well enough consistently to earn that kind of salary yet.

Now if Hextall could move a salary (AMac/LSchenn) or two between now and the hearing, maybe I'd reconsider it. Otherwise, I'd offer Trevor Daley numbers.

- 77rams


He hasn't but, I'm not willing to let an asset go for free. I figure he's going to get at least $3mm in arbitration, if not more, so I'm OK with a 1 year deal for $4mm and unless he comes in and plays fantastic, then move him at the TDL.
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