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psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jul 15 @ 2:08 PM ET
I really feel as tho they should trade him. still worried about him reverting back to his old self.
- JoeRussomanno

Del Zotto had a pretty good year last season but was awful the year before to the point that nobody wanted him. I think the trade market for him is in wait and see mode regarding this season. Another good year and I could see some teams willing to trade for him at the deadline.

If the team doesn't improve much in the standings this season, it could be a very active trade deadline for Hextall. L. Schenn, Gagne, B. Schenn, and Raffl are all at the end of their deals and Streit has only one year left. Del Zotto could be in that group too.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 15 @ 2:13 PM ET
Del Zotto had a pretty good year last season but was awful the year before to the point that nobody wanted him. I think the trade market for him is in wait and see mode regarding this season. Another good year and I could see some teams willing to trade for him at the deadline.

If the team doesn't improve much in the standings this season, it could be a very active trade deadline for Hextall. L. Schenn, Gagne, B. Schenn, and Raffl are all at the end of their deals and Streit has only one year left. Del Zotto could be in that group too.

- psuhockey


Really? I hear that, aside from 2 years ago, he's been really good. I'm sure Hextall spends 80% of his day turning down trade offers for MDZ.
psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jul 15 @ 2:17 PM ET
Really? I hear that, aside from 2 years ago, he's been really good. I'm sure Hextall spends 80% of his day turning down trade offers for MDZ.
- jmatchett383

I wouldn't say 80%. He also has to find time for L.Schenn trade calls as well.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jul 15 @ 2:18 PM ET
Really? I hear that, aside from 2 years ago, he's been really good. I'm sure Hextall spends 80% of his day turning down trade offers for MDZ.
- jmatchett383


Not likely. If MDZ proves last season was no fluke, he'll be an UFA next summer and teams can sign him for nothing. He'll price himself right out of Philly. It's very much a "wait and see" thing IMO as far as the rest of the league is concerned.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 15 @ 2:21 PM ET
Not likely. If MDZ proves last season was no fluke, he'll be an UFA next summer and teams can sign him for nothing. He'll price himself right out of Philly. It's very much a "wait and see" thing IMO as far as the rest of the league is concerned.
- mochoson


Nonsense. He's really good at playing the wing.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 15 @ 2:30 PM ET
Nonsense. He's really good at playing the wing.
- jmatchett383

okay, so that lasted one refresh
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 15 @ 2:33 PM ET
okay, so that lasted one refresh
- mayorofangrytown


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mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 15 @ 2:35 PM ET
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- jmatchett383

I posted a picture of Bruce Campbell and it defaulted to a logo of the host site.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 15 @ 2:36 PM ET
If Justin Schultz got $3.9, then that's about where MDZ's coming in at

He's not coming in at less than Luke Schenn. Just not happening
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 15 @ 2:36 PM ET
I posted a picture of Bruce Campbell and it defaulted to a logo of the host site.
- mayorofangrytown


You should have posted this:

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 15 @ 2:38 PM ET
If Justin Schultz got $3.9, then that's about where MDZ's coming in at

He's not coming in at less than Luke Schenn. Just not happening

- AllInForFlyers


I think MDZ is the better overall player, but that Schultz signing is just stupid. Very overrated.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 15 @ 2:38 PM ET
What's his old self?

He's really only had one bad season and that was the one he went from NY to Nashville.

- J35Bacher


Ha!

Don't let facts get in the way of disliking a player
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 15 @ 2:42 PM ET
I think MDZ is the better overall player, but that Schultz signing is just stupid. Very overrated.
- jmatchett383


The thing about it is $3.9 is about what a slightly-above average defender makes

We can certainly disagree about a lot of things, but it's kinda hard to look at MDZ's career and say he's worse than slightly-above average

He had a tough season, got traded, had his character questioned

I think it's fair to say that he responded like anyone would want a player to respond last year
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 15 @ 2:45 PM ET
McDonald for Lupul. Would you do it?
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 15 @ 2:48 PM ET
McDonald for Lupul. Would you do it?
- mickel25


Nope

Even though you shave years off the financial obligation, Lupul is just one of those guys who is snake-bitten -- even though it's not his fault, he almost can't stay healthy.

He has topped 60 games played twice since 2008-09, his last season with the Flyers -- but even in those years, he didn't reach 70 games

He is unlucky, to be sure, but he just can't stay healthy
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 15 @ 2:53 PM ET
Nope

Even though you shave years off the financial obligation, Lupul is just one of those guys who is snake-bitten -- even though it's not his fault, he almost can't stay healthy.

He has topped 60 games played twice since 2008-09, his last season with the Flyers -- but even in those years, he didn't reach 70 games

He is unlucky, to be sure, but he just can't stay healthy

- AllInForFlyers


The real question is. If Lupul scores 20-25 playing with Giroux and Voracek and plays in 70 games would he have more value than MacDonald assuming MacDonald plays slightly better than last year? Both are ifs. I feel Lupul has higher end talent when healthy. Not sure I would do the deal though.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 15 @ 2:56 PM ET
McDonald for Lupul. Would you do it?
- mickel25



Yes.

JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jul 15 @ 2:56 PM ET


That celebration lol
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 15 @ 2:57 PM ET
The real question is. If Lupul scores 20-25 playing with Giroux and Voracek and plays in 70 games would he have more value than MacDonald assuming MacDonald plays slightly better than last year? Both are ifs. I feel Lupul has higher end talent when healthy. Not sure I would do the deal though.
- mickel25


Hey, you know what? That's not a bad argument, and Lupul is skilled enough where that could actually happen

I also think he cares about playing hard and winning

If something like that did happen, it wouldn't necessarily be the worst thing, tbh
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 15 @ 2:58 PM ET


That celebration lol

- JFlyers00


Who is that guy? Man, he must be a lot of fun at parties
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jul 15 @ 3:01 PM ET
Who is that guy? Man, he must be a lot of fun at parties
- AllInForFlyers


Alex Tuch. His poop eating grin while he celebrates past the other team's bench may be the best part.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 15 @ 3:02 PM ET
Nope

Even though you shave years off the financial obligation, Lupul is just one of those guys who is snake-bitten -- even though it's not his fault, he almost can't stay healthy.

He has topped 60 games played twice since 2008-09, his last season with the Flyers -- but even in those years, he didn't reach 70 games

He is unlucky, to be sure, but he just can't stay healthy

- AllInForFlyers


But yeah, cutting years from that albatross contract would be worth any short term pain w/ Lups, IMO. Guy can play left too, which we definitely need.

Don't see TO accepting AMac back tho... not w/ that # loving management group
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 15 @ 3:10 PM ET


That celebration lol

- JFlyers00


Goalie had the right idea with the poke check....he just lost his stick and looked silly.

The celebration was pretty good....that had to be an intrasquad scrimmage.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jul 15 @ 3:10 PM ET
But yeah, cutting years from that albatross contract would be worth any short term pain w/ Lups, IMO. Guy can play left too, which we definitely need.

Don't see TO accepting AMac back tho... not w/ that # loving management group

- Tomahawk


Second question. Umberger for Lupul?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 15 @ 3:11 PM ET
Nope

Even though you shave years off the financial obligation, Lupul is just one of those guys who is snake-bitten -- even though it's not his fault, he almost can't stay healthy.

He has topped 60 games played twice since 2008-09, his last season with the Flyers -- but even in those years, he didn't reach 70 games

He is unlucky, to be sure, but he just can't stay healthy

- AllInForFlyers


I always liked Lupul and they say he matured when he went to TO.

I doubt they'd take Amac, though.
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