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psuhockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.25.2011

Jul 15 @ 10:08 AM ET
Flyers draft Dmitri Sokolov with their 1st round pick next year. He teams with Vorobyov and Provorov and leads the Flyers to the Stanley Cup, there by filling Ed Snider with unstable levels of happiness and rage and thus causing his heart to explode.

If only they could steal Zaitsev from Toronto next summer.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 15 @ 10:22 AM ET
Agree with your point that Morin showed encouraging growth on the o-side this season, but it's just really tough to compare across leagues like that.

Better to compare him to his peers in the Q:
http://www.eliteprospects...=&nation=&name=&order=PPG

- Tomahawk


Very interesting stats. I think San Jose got a steal by nabbing J Roy at #31 this year. If the Flyers had taken a forward at #7, I would have liked to take him or Juulsen at #29.

If Provy and Sanheim both go back to Junior they could be first and second on this list for 15-16.

http://www.eliteprospects...=&nation=&name=&order=PPG
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 15 @ 10:25 AM ET
Very interesting stats. I think San Jose got a steal by nabbing J Roy at #31 this year. If the Flyers had taken a forward at #7, I would have liked to take him or Juulsen at #29.

If Provy and Sanheim both go back to Junior they could be first and second on this list for 15-16.

http://www.eliteprospects...=&nation=&name=&order=PPG

- Feanor




I get all tingly inside looking at that list.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 15 @ 10:25 AM ET
Very interesting stats. I think San Jose got a steal by nabbing J Roy at #31 this year. If the Flyers had taken a forward at #7, I would have liked to take him or Juulsen at #29.

If Provy and Sanheim both go back to Junior they could be first and second on this list for 15-16.

http://www.eliteprospects...=&nation=&name=&order=PPG

- Feanor


Are both Theodore and Bowey moving up this year?
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Jul 15 @ 10:27 AM ET
Jeff Carter 01/01....6'4 218...big Vor 01/05...6'2 198
- vejim


I'm missing something I think.

(The quotes are not working again).

There is an interesting read by Malcolm Gladwell called "Outliers" that attempts to explain January babies success in professional sports and in general. I do not necessarily agree with the author, but his premise is that since junior sport is leveled by age groups the kids that are born in the beginning of the year have advantage over the kids born closer to the end of the year. So, for example, for U-12 hockey boys born in January may be bigger and more developed that boys born in December at the end of their eligibility for u-12 age group. Furthermore, the author postulates that that creates an advantage for January babies for the rest of their career.

Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 15 @ 10:37 AM ET
Are both Theodore and Bowey moving up this year?
- jmatchett383


Yup. Click on their names and you'll see they have AHL teams listed for 15-16.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 15 @ 10:52 AM ET
Yup. Click on their names and you'll see they have AHL teams listed for 15-16.
- Feanor


I've only seen Bowey play sparingly, but he seems like he may be the best player on that list. He's been very impressive so far.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jul 15 @ 11:06 AM ET
Question for Bill:

How long does Philadelphia own Vorobyov' draft rights? I know it's usually two years, and NCAA players get until they graduate, but what are the rules for KHL signed players?


I thought, for any country without a transfer agreement, it was basically forever?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 15 @ 11:12 AM ET
Question for Bill:

How long does Philadelphia own Vorobyov' draft rights? I know it's usually two years, and NCAA players get until they graduate, but what are the rules for KHL signed players?


I thought, for any country without a transfer agreement, it was basically forever?

- nastyflyergirl

Ughhh... Its already been commented on.

There is no formal transfer agreement so no real time, but 4 years looks like the best answer.

Jeez.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jul 15 @ 11:17 AM ET
Ughhh... Its already been commented on.

There is no formal transfer agreement so no real time, but 4 years looks like the best answer.

Jeez.

- jak521



Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 15 @ 11:33 AM ET
Oduya 2 yrs at 3.75

Boy what a steal amac and luke are.

Their deals look better and better the money these marginal players get in Ufa is absurd
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 15 @ 11:40 AM ET
The Hockey News ‏@TheHockeyNews 3m3 minutes ago

Johnny Oduya signs two-year, $7.5 million deal with Dallas Stars

http://www.thehockeynews....n-deal-with-dallas-stars/
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 15 @ 11:44 AM ET
Oduya 2 yrs at 3.75

Boy what a steal amac and luke are.

Their deals look better and better the money these marginal players get in Ufa is absurd

- Just5



Im sure if he were 26 and not 33, the deal would have been a bit more lucrative.
evvander11
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.03.2014

Jul 15 @ 12:04 PM ET
Agree with your point that Morin showed encouraging growth on the o-side this season, but it's just really tough to compare across leagues like that.

Better to compare him to his peers in the Q:
http://www.eliteprospects...=&nation=&name=&order=PPG

- Tomahawk


Is Jan Kostalek the D partner for Morin? Sheesh, he was +55?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 15 @ 12:04 PM ET
Dan Rosen ‏@drosennhl 2m2 minutes ago

Ducks sign Ryan Kesler to a six-year contract extension, per team announcement.


Eric StephensVerified account ‏@icemancometh

Kesler's new deal is huge. Six years, $41.25 million. ($6.875M AAV).
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 15 @ 12:11 PM ET
Is Jan Kostalek the D partner for Morin? Sheesh, he was +55?
- evvander11


Dude was arguably their best player during the Memorial Cup games.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jul 15 @ 12:19 PM ET
Dude was arguably their best player during the Memorial Cup games.
- jmatchett383

Jets have quite the prospect pool.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jul 15 @ 12:30 PM ET
Dan Rosen ‏@drosennhl 2m2 minutes ago

Ducks sign Ryan Kesler to a six-year contract extension, per team announcement.


Eric StephensVerified account ‏@icemancometh

Kesler's new deal is huge. Six years, $41.25 million. ($6.875M AAV).

- MBFlyerfan


That is one mammoth deal.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 15 @ 12:32 PM ET
Dan Rosen ‏@drosennhl 2m2 minutes ago

Ducks sign Ryan Kesler to a six-year contract extension, per team announcement.


Eric StephensVerified account ‏@icemancometh

Kesler's new deal is huge. Six years, $41.25 million. ($6.875M AAV).

- MBFlyerfan

That deal is going to look all kinds of awful in two years. Wow.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 15 @ 12:33 PM ET
That is one mammoth deal.
- mochoson



Especially for a guy who is over 30 and on the obvious downside of his career.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jul 15 @ 12:37 PM ET
Especially for a guy who is over 30 and on the obvious downside of his career.
- MBFlyerfan


4 years I could see....5 is pushing it, at least for me. 6 years? Those last two years, you're basically going all in at the gambling table; you're praying at that point this guy will still be close to the same player at that age.

He'll likely go first overall at the expansion draft
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 15 @ 12:49 PM ET
Quick, now trade AMac for Kesler. At least we'll get two years of value.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 15 @ 12:52 PM ET
Especially for a guy who is over 30 and on the obvious downside of his career.
- MBFlyerfan


But since it isn't a over 35 contract he can retire without any problem. So maybe that is why they were ok going the extra years.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 15 @ 12:56 PM ET
But since it isn't a over 35 contract he can retire without any problem. So maybe that is why they were ok going the extra years.
- J35Bacher


I don't think retirement is an issue so much as production.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 15 @ 12:57 PM ET
But since it isn't a over 35 contract he can retire without any problem. So maybe that is why they were ok going the extra years.
- J35Bacher



This is a good point and true. I have a problem with the AAV as much as the years. But hey, at least it wasn't Philly giving out that contract.
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