wow we really did miss out
- Fountain-San

Zboril = Crap
DeBrusk = 3rd round crap
Senyshyn = Bust. Daigle city.

Zboril = Crap
DeBrusk = 3rd round crap
Senyshyn = Bust. Daigle city.
- One_Eyed_Sweede

Smell that? Total dumpster fire

maybe the market isn't what we arm chair GMs speculate it is.
- Fountain-San

Well that supposed "lack" of market for Hamilton ended up giving him a 6 year $34.5M contract for a 22 year old RFA. That's a helluva lot of money to give a player that few if any other teams were interested in and begs the question why Hamilton got that much money since noone else around the league was interested in him.

you forgot that doesn't play defense too good. you can look at at his stats, offensive, all you want. kids a project in his own zone. other teams know this. this isn't a sprouting Drew Doughty we're talking about.
- Fountain-San

His new contract disagrees with your assessment. Also, given the fact reports says the Bruins offered him a similar contract would you have said the same thing had he re-signed? I mean I know I don't remember everything I read but damn if i can remember Bruins fans calling for him to be dealt

Well that supposed "lack" of market for Hamilton ended up giving him a 6 year $34.5M contract for a 22 year old RFA. That's a helluva lot of money to give a player that few if any other teams were interested in and begs the question why Hamilton got that much money since noone else around the league was interested in him.
- uf1910

ugh. i didn't say that either. the hyperbole sure does tip in the direction of one's argument.

also when carl (frank)ing soderberg gets 5 million a year for 5 years it puts the hamilton contract in perspective.

His new contract disagrees with your assessment. Also, given the fact reports says the Bruins offered him a similar contract would you have said the same thing had he re-signed? I mean I know I don't remember everything I read but damn if i can remember Bruins fans calling for him to be dealt
- uf1910

no it doesn't. and i was all for him being signed for the number he got. no one is saying he can't play. but if he was going to ask for close 7 like the rumors were suggesting, lots of Bs fans would have been happy to drive him to the airport. and since he wanted out, again, most bruins fans just gave him the finger.

you forgot that doesn't play defense too good. you can look at at his stats, offensive, all you want. kids a project in his own zone. other teams know this. this isn't a sprouting Drew Doughty we're talking about.
- Fountain-San

Top Bruins D in terms of CF% at 5v5 (w/ 300+ minutes). He keeps the puck out of his own zone more than most on the team. Sounds like fine defense.

His new contract disagrees with your assessment. Also, given the fact reports says the Bruins offered him a similar contract would you have said the same thing had he re-signed? I mean I know I don't remember everything I read but damn if i can remember Bruins fans calling for him to be dealt
- uf1910

We weren't. Some of us were saying pump the brakes on the big money and term though. Kid really isn't that good at defense. It's a big gamble if he continues to make Dennis Wideman look like Ray Bourque.

Kid clearly wanted out. The returns will prove in time if it was or was not a good deal. These kids haven't touched NHL ice yet.

Top Bruins D in terms of CF% at 5v5 (w/ 300+ minutes). He keeps the puck out of his own zone more than most on the team. Sounds like fine defense.
- Michael_Stuart

Yes the fancy stats can always help twist an argument in ones favor. I'm not going to recount every time. But he makes a lot of mistakes in his own zone and turns the puck over quite a bit.

I would still like to have Hamilton. But again, he wanted out. Not sure what Sweeney is supposed to do to appease fans of other franchises. I'm sure that was a priority for him and his staff.

ugh. i didn't say that either. the hyperbole sure does tip in the direction of one's argument.

also when carl (frank)ing soderberg gets 5 million a year for 5 years it puts the hamilton contract in perspective.
- Fountain-San

Ok you can substitute "few" and my original point still remains. That had Hamilton been offered to "more" or "all" teams around the NHL the Bruins return for him would have been greater. Sorry but all I have seen from you guys is there was a "lack" of market for a 22 year old d-man who got paid like a potential cornerstone player (and by all logic would command that type of interest around the league). I mean if you guys want to explain why other teams weren't interested in that type of player then by all means speculate away, but defending the deal as "the best you could do" with zero evidence to back that up is irrational and quite frankly ignorant to how NHL teams are built these days. Rarely if ever do young players the caliber of Hamilton become available yet you guys are insinuating that the majority of other teams out there weren't interested in a player they otherwise wouldn't be able to acquire except through the draft

ugh. i didn't say that either. the hyperbole sure does tip in the direction of one's argument.

also when carl (frank)ing soderberg gets 5 million a year for 5 years it puts the hamilton contract in perspective.
- Fountain-San

The Orpik contract last offseason.

Yes the fancy stats can always help twist an argument in ones favor. I'm not going to recount every time. But he makes a lot of mistakes in his own zone and turns the puck over quite a bit.

I would still like to have Hamilton. But again, he wanted out. Not sure what Sweeney is supposed to do to appease fans of other franchises. I'm sure that was a priority for him and his staff.
- One_Eyed_Sweede

It's not really twisting. More shot attempts went in Boston's favor when DH was on the ice than when he was off the ice. He helped the team control the puck.

Top Bruins D in terms of CF% at 5v5 (w/ 300+ minutes). He keeps the puck out of his own zone more than most on the team. Sounds like fine defense.
- Michael_Stuart

use your eyes. that wasn't his job, it was his partners job.

use your eyes. that wasn't his job, it was his partners job.
- Fountain-San

...what?

It's not really twisting. More shot attempts went in Boston's favor when DH was on the ice than when he was off the ice. He helped the team control the puck.
- Michael_Stuart

dude, keep checking your stat sheet, fine. he's weak in his own end, loses battles and plays like a guy a lot smaller than 6 foot 4. offensively he's got all the tools. defensively he's a huge project.

...what?
- Michael_Stuart

(frank) your stats and watch him play. if his stats suggest he's good in his own zone than you can probably look to his partner.

don't be a tool. you know what i meant.

no it doesn't. and i was all for him being signed for the number he got. no one is saying he can't play. but if he was going to ask for close 7 like the rumors were suggesting, lots of Bs fans would have been happy to drive him to the airport. and since he wanted out, again, most bruins fans just gave him the finger.
- Fountain-San

And I certainly understand why you guys would feel that way for a player who obviously didn't want to stay. However this is immaterial to the value of the trade which is what this discussion is centered around. Simply I'm having a hard time understanding why "most" other teams weren't interested in a 22 year old potential franchise d-man who just got paid like a potential franchise d-man.

(frank) your stats and watch him play. if his stats suggest he's good in his own zone than you can probably look to his partner.

don't be a tool. you know what i meant.
- Fountain-San

His WOWY numbers show that he made everyone he played with better. It wasn't the partner.

The Orpik contract last offseason.
- One_Eyed_Sweede

jeff petry this year. total stud.

His WOWY numbers show that he made everyone he played with better. It wasn't the partner.
- Michael_Stuart

(frank) that dude. no way.

have you sat and watched him play?

(frank) that dude. no way.

have you sat and watched him play?
- Fountain-San

Yes...

I watch quite a bit of hockey for this writing gig.

And I certainly understand why you guys would feel that way for a player who obviously didn't want to stay. However this is immaterial to the value of the trade which is what this discussion is centered around. Simply I'm having a hard time understanding why "most" other teams weren't interested in a 22 year old potential franchise d-man who just got paid like a potential franchise d-man.
- uf1910

no he didn't!!!!

but you win. this has turned into a keyboard pissing contest and it makes my head hurt.

Yes...

I watch quite a bit of hockey for this writing gig.
- Michael_Stuart

bout how many Bruins games?

what's your hockey resume?

dude, keep checking your stat sheet, fine. he's weak in his own end, loses battles and plays like a guy a lot smaller than 6 foot 4. offensively he's got all the tools. defensively he's a huge project.
- Fountain-San

Until a few years ago many of these same things were said about Hedman only substituting 6'6" instead of 6'4".

It's not really twisting. More shot attempts went in Boston's favor when DH was on the ice than when he was off the ice. He helped the team control the puck.
- Michael_Stuart

I know they don't have stats for this but he refuses to use his body. He leaves a lot assignments in front his own net. Does nothing down in the corners and loses puck battles often. That should happen to a 6 foot 4 guy as often as it does. Hamilton is young and may correct that or he may not. But at the end of a 3 year sample...Very good offensively and on the PP but, needs a lot of improvement in his own zone.

Watch Calgary this year and watch how much of his messes Giordano(I'm assuming that's the pair) will be cleaning up.