I can see Seabs more than Hammer. If CC backstops another Cup win - he should get consideration. How many 3-time Cup winning goalies are not in the HOF?
- EbonyRaptor

come on guys, let's not be ridiculous here. CC and Seabrook are great players but they aren't headed for the HHOF. How many 3-time cup winning goalies are not in the HHOF? probably about as many goalies who have never won a Vezina trophy, or the number of defensemen who haven't won a Norris trophy who are in the HHOF. It's hard to think of Seabs and Hammer as HHOF candidates when they aren't even the best at their position on the team (or in Hammer's case, not even the 2nd best). Not too many second line d-men in the hall.

He may. Could be wrong but something tells me Seabs is another guy who takes a little less to stay. Unlike Saad he's been making really good money for the last several years.
- HawkintheD

I agree if history is a window towards the future Seabrook signs for a reasonable contract I can see him signing between $6 and $7 mil

Then why was Seabs -3 with only 31 points in the reg season last year

It was his worst year since 20006-2007.
- KingB

and the season gets you to the playoff, but it really doesn't mean shoot...it is difficult to pull a hawk defender out of the mix and grade his season separated from the rotations in and out in net, on dee and forward where things seemed awry for much of the season.

So I ask you KingB, when you watched each and every game regular and post season, you saw that Seabrook was at his worst, and struggled and had his worst season?

Because what I saw was an elite player in all phases.


The problem with the perception of defenders is when you start your basis with point totals and not all-around play...

It would be like me saying Seabrook is only getting better- SEVEN of his NINETEEN playoff goals were scored THIS post season almost 37%

If Neon Dion gets 7M a year, Seabrook is worth every bit of that. Guys like Leddy and Petry make 5.5M. They have proven far less in the league than Seabrook.
- TTtime

That would be my comp. I hope $7m is the number. Was confident after Boychuk's deal. Not sure though after Saad. These agents see the $$$....

Then why was Seabs -3 with only 31 points in the reg season last year

It was his worst year since 20006-2007.
- KingB

Did Saad's regular season come anywhere near warranting $6m per year?

come on guys, let's not be ridiculous here. CC and Seabrook are great players but they aren't headed for the HHOF. How many 3-time cup winning goalies are not in the HHOF? probably about as many goalies who have never won a Vezina trophy, or the number of defensemen who haven't won a Norris trophy who are in the HHOF. It's hard to think of Seabs and Hammer as HHOF candidates when they aren't even the best at their position on the team (or in Hammer's case, not even the 2nd best). Not too many second line d-men in the hall.
- Dremy

Rod Langway, Scott Stevens, Rob Blake are in the HOF. Is Seabrook any less accomplished or less of an impact player than those 3?

and the season gets you to the playoff, but it really doesn't mean shoot...it is difficult to pull a hawk defender out of the mix and grade his season separated from the rotations in and out in net, on dee and forward where things seemed awry for much of the season.

So I ask you KingB, when you watched each and every game regular and post season, you saw that Seabrook was at his worst, and struggled and had his worst season?

Because what I saw was an elite player in all phases.

The problem with the perception of defenders is

It would be like me saying Seabrook is only getting better- SEVEN of his NINETEEN playoff goals were scored THIS post season almost 37%
- wiz1901

Seabs had a great playoff but he had a poor regular season by any standard, any stat and as a season ticket holder sitting in the 3rd row, I saw too many indifferent performance by Seabs during the regular season.

Your elite player in all phases was 127th in points per 60 minutes, and there were over 100 Dmen with better +/- readings.

In what phase or stat can you present where Seabs was 'elite'?

Seabs did have good iFenwick and iCorsi, though. But Rundblad had better iFenwick and iCorsi scores per 60 minutes than Seabs.

Rod Langway, Scott Stevens, Rob Blake are in the HOF. Is Seabrook any less accomplished or less of an impact player than those 3?
- RickJ

Well, yeah. Those players were the faces of their franchises, which Seabrook isn't.

Well, yeah. Those players were the faces of their franchises, which Seabrook isn't.
- Dremy

Geraldine Heaney is in the HOF. I'd like to see Seabs make it because I think he is as good as her.

dupe

come on guys, let's not be ridiculous here. CC and Seabrook are great players but they aren't headed for the HHOF. How many 3-time cup winning goalies are not in the HHOF? probably about as many goalies who have never won a Vezina trophy, or the number of defensemen who haven't won a Norris trophy who are in the HHOF. It's hard to think of Seabs and Hammer as HHOF candidates when they aren't even the best at their position on the team (or in Hammer's case, not even the 2nd best). Not too many second line d-men in the hall.
- Dremy

No 3 time winning Cup Goalie on the Hawks. Yes Seabs should be in consideration for the HHOF if he keeps up what he has done for the next few years. Hammer may be but too early to say. Needs several more years at the level he has been at.

and the season gets you to the playoff, but it really doesn't mean shoot...it is difficult to pull a hawk defender out of the mix and grade his season separated from the rotations in and out in net, on dee and forward where things seemed awry for much of the season.

So I ask you KingB, when you watched each and every game regular and post season, you saw that Seabrook was at his worst, and struggled and had his worst season?

Because what I saw was an elite player in all phases.


The problem with the perception of defenders is when you start your basis with point totals and not all-around play...

It would be like me saying Seabrook is only getting better- SEVEN of his NINETEEN playoff goals were scored THIS post season almost 37%
- wiz1901

Gee, don't you regularly bless us with your opinions and reports on prospects despite the fact that it is difficult to pull a player out of the mix and grade his season separated from the rotations in and out in net, on dee and forward where things seemed awry for much of the season.

Had Kane not been injured and on LTIR until the play-offs began, they would not have been able to do the TDL deals and they would not have had Vermette etc. on the roster for the play-offs - BECAUSE OF THE CAP.

Because of Kane's injury, they were able to "get around (the cap) in a clever...way" (certainly not dishonest).

Completely fits your definition of "circumvent".

Both are allowed - BOTH ARE LEGIT because they are allowed.
- StLBravesFan

How is it "clever" when a superstar player breaks his clavicle before the run to the playoffs begins?????
You're starting to grasp at things now.

I think we all need some more sciencebuzz.

good and american beer don't go in the same sentence
- SaskHawkFan

Is this supposed to be a joke?

Just stay away from anything brewed in Golden, CO
- ArlingtonRob

Most factual statement in 1700+ posts of this thread.

It's simple Seabrook's numbers were off for the same reason Keith's numbers were off. They weren't playing together for a good part of the season.

Don Cherry got all excited one night and said he was the best Dman in the league.

Not replaceable IMO. Bowman knows that.
- RickJ

Maybe not the best, but he's better than he gets credit for living in Keith's shadow. He's more worthy of Norris consideration than the fraud that won it this year.

Luv this Sports Mockery Headline....

http://sportsmockery.com/...-no-one-has-goddamn-clue/

I think we all need some more sciencebuzz.
- carcus

Please dear god, no.

I think we all need some more sciencebuzz.
- carcus

E=MC sharp....

Seabs had a great playoff but he had a poor regular season by any standard, any stat and as a season ticket holder sitting in the 3rd row, I saw too many indifferent performance by Seabs during the regular season.

Your elite player in all phases was 127th in points per 60 minutes, and there were over 100 Dmen with better +/- readings.

In what phase or stat can you present where Seabs was 'elite'?

Seabs did have good iFenwick and iCorsi, though. But Rundblad had better iFenwick and iCorsi scores per 60 minutes than Seabs.
- KingB

Seabrook played with a few different partners...and for the most part he was the bag holder so to speak...this was true in 5 on 5 situations in the post season but he still played well. I think he had had a strong first couple of months and tailed off but he still is the best passer, has the best point shot, plays the most physical and has a ton of blocks....Seabrook checks a lot of boxes.

Winning 14 of 17 playoff series in 6 years with significant player turnover won't be surpassed anytime soon in the cap era.

That ain't luck, gotta have the talent to accomplish that.
- RickJ

And...a GM who probably knows what he is doing.

Seabs had a great playoff but he had a poor regular season by any standard, any stat and as a season ticket holder sitting in the 3rd row, I saw too many indifferent performance by Seabs during the regular season.

Your elite player in all phases was 127th in points per 60 minutes, and there were over 100 Dmen with better +/- readings.

In what phase or stat can you present where Seabs was 'elite'?

Seabs did have good iFenwick and iCorsi, though. But Rundblad had better iFenwick and iCorsi scores per 60 minutes than Seabs.
- KingB

So if are you implying that Runblad is better than Seabs.....

So if are you implying that Runblad is better than Seabs.....
- southernhawk

Apparently so... Didn't realize Rundblad was a superior defender.

I think KingB's credibility just vanished.