Think his point is Stan did actually prove it with the Sadd trade.

That being said, can't understand not trading anyone to get to cap in shape, but I'm being patient, 3 cups does that to me.
- vabeachbear

it will be the cap crunch trades that will show what he is made of.

Think his point is Stan did actually prove it with the Sadd trade.

That being said, can't understand not trading anyone to get to cap in shape, but I'm being patient, 3 cups does that to me.
- vabeachbear

The simplest way to do that is to trade one of Kane or Toews. Or both. The returns would huge for both and the cap issues would be solved.

Youre missing my point. If SB were to rip the heart out of a depleted hawk D then it better well be worth it. Yes its lopsided but nothing we'd get in return short of mc david would make up for it.
- fvineze

What if Crawford were added to the deal? That should help the defense IYO, no?

The rumour about Seabrook is indeed a possibility, probably the faintest possibility for Bowman and the Hawks, but possible nonetheless. As I said last week, Bowman has asked Oduya and Kruger to be patient and wait on the announcement of their deals so that he can create the space. And I also mentioned that to make it all happen Bowman may have to package up another "sexy" name like Saad.

And before many here begin to freak out about the possible loss of Seabrook, just like with Saad, Bowman will get a great deal back in return...and you can be sure of greater youth, cost certainty and real talent. If Seabrook goes, he won't go alone, one or more of the "usual suspects" will be added to create a blockbuster package.

Now, this does not mean that this will happen, but the longer it takes to move someone else, the odds of its likelihood continue to rise! What I can share with you is this, the possible returns on moving Crawford have been surprisingly "average" from the Hawk's perspective...translation...even more thinking "outside of the box" is necessary by Bowman! In other words, the longer this takes to play out, the greater likelihood of ANOTHER BLOCKBUSTER DEAL from Bowman!
- MexicoHawk

Bowman will trade Bickell and Sharp for a six pack of Schlitz before he sends Seabrook or any higher profile player anywhere.

Bowman has a cup contending team without Sharp and Bickell....

To do any more damage to the club would be like amputating your arm because you needed a root canal.

Yeah don't like bs taking hold, and as I posted I saw mex was embracing the horse manure & the first thing I thought was .. He thinks I am answering him direct.
I just don't buy the hAwks rolling the dice on any underachiever in Edmonton. Tell you what, it disrespects Seabrook and think he has oilers on U.S. list as places he wants t end his career?

Besides even if the send young coward or tw here, they are gonna have pay those kids far too much to soon, and the entire idea reeks and the idiot beat writers there floated the as did the Dallas writer a month ago.
Me angry? Yes this isn't Saad or their newest hope on dee or I can't stop anybody guy the likes stole as Utah from Edmonton...
- wiz1901

I don't think for a moment that Bowman would be considering a deal such as this. IF, and that's a big if, Seabrook is dealt, he will be packaged with another player for young, talented players with big upsides who are cost controlled. Not a #1 overall pick who will likely require a massive 2nd deal, instead of a bridge. Remember, Bowman has made this VERY CLEAR going forward...for young RFAs to remain Blackhawks they will have to accept a "middle deal", a bridge deal for 2/3 years of good money before cashing in as a franchise, core player! That is the ONLY reason Brandon Saad was traded!

The simplest way to do that is to trade one of Kane or Toews. Or both. The returns would huge for both and the cap issues would be solved.
- TTtime

I already posted Matthew McC, but...THIS!

The simplest way to do that is to trade one of Kane or Toews. Or both. The returns would huge for both and the cap issues would be solved.
- TTtime

IceHogs just signed Mark Visentin. Could be another nice goalie "value buy" - he missed all of last year with an injury, is only 22 years old. 2011 WJC Gold Medal Game implosion aside, he does have legit prospect pedigree. Should be interesting to track.

So that is what this thread is. Lovely.

I don't care what kind of unrealized, cost controlled bullpoop potential a guy has, Brent Seabrook has scored huge goals, made huge plays, stepped into the box in a huge situation and regrouped our captain. ALL his work has directly lead to 3 Cups. His character, leadership, ability to bring it when it matters most IS NOT even CLOSE to being realized if he is traded for a players(s) who has never done it before. FEW players in the current NHL have the pedigree and accomplishments as Brent Seabrook. FEW...so some AHL prospect is even more dubious.

There are TONS of teams out there with "Cost controlled Potential" and they ALL SUCK. Only the teams with proven warriors like Seabook skate the Cup.

I get it...lets just recreate the late 1990s again...lets get rid of the real character of the club, while adding Russians. That will work well.

So this is what our GM is up to? Just going down the pecking order until he finds someone that another team is "willing" to take? Shoot, just shop Kane if that's what it's all about. Cap problem solved. Probably can get some good prospects who are way cheaper than Kane and wow...maybe even scored a big goal in PeeWee Major one year.

This idea needs to go the fook away.

Please share with us what you think his value is worth?
- TTtime

You do realize he roots for a team that traded Sharp for AHL players....I can't stop laughing at that trade.

Again, if one wishes to understand what is happening in Bowman's mind right now, then you have to open your own! Stan Bowman is VERY SMART, not a dummy. However, besides smart he is also clever and even a little sly. Ergo, how do you turn a negative into a positive? Make everyone believe you are vulnerable, injured in some way and allow them to come closer and closer, "sniff" out the situation. You begin to discuss some things that are relatively harmless, before suddenly throwing out a "bombshell" of desperation to lure the opponent in and render them surprised, with a time limit. Sound familiar? As I said before, had Bowman approached Jarmo Kekäläinen at the beginning of their discussions with a plan to acquire Anisimov AND Marko Dano, it would NOT have happened. The fact that midway through their discussions that Bowman used the "rumour" of an offer sheet on Saad to suddenly and surprisingly move him, caught Jarmo off guard. Dano was asked for as responsible value for a player the stature of Brandon Saad and the CLB GM had to agree! Deal done.

Can't move Sharp for anything of value? Potential "secret" deals with Oduya and Kruger at apparent risk the longer the Hawks delay? Once again, another crisis for the Blackhawks...Bowman is weak and can be taken advantage of! If that were true, Sharp would have been traded by now for next to nothing...a lottery ticket...but that's NOT what's happened! Sometimes to get other smart people to "help you out" is to "trick" them. Again, another scenario..."Stan, what your asking for Sharpy is too much and let's face it you're not in any position to demand anything, I can't help you" ..."okay, listen about Sharp, I'm in another jam and I can now sweeten the pot for you, but you've only got a day to think about it because I have to close this one fast...Sharp and Seabrook (with a whole year to resign him) for...

Again, the last thing Stan Bowman wants is to trade Brent Seabrook...but remember, the last thing that Stan Bowman wanted a week ago was to trade Brandon Saad, a player he promised Hawk fans would re-sign here...but you have to do what you have to do to protect this team's chances at continuing winning Cups NOW! How does Quenneville and Company do that without Brent Seabrook and Brandon Saad? Replace them with younger, cheaper, cost controlled versions that have big upsides within a strong system, that's how! Now, I don't know that this is what is in the works anywhere, but it sure feels like it because there are teams out there, I can guarantee it, that would have taken deals on both Sharp and Versteeg for just picks by now if that's what Bowman wanted. So ask yourself, with potential deals for Oduya and Kruger at risk daily, why is he continuing to delay the process of trading away Cap space? Before you answer, think Sherlock Holmes..."once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."
- MexicoHawk

If as you say SB is playing "possum" if you will and he "wins" this little game by giving up sea room and sharp for the sake of cap space... Tell me again what he won?

- vabeachbear

Would it not solve the cap issue? Makes as much sense as trading Seabrook and be a contending team. So I say (frank) it. Tear it down and we can see once and for all what Bowman is made of.

Youre missing my point. If SB were to rip the heart out of a depleted hawk D then it better well be worth it. Yes its lopsided but nothing we'd get in return short of mc david would make up for it.
- fvineze

Mcdavid is a center if I'm not mistaken. How does he make up for the depleted defense.

You do realize he roots for a team that traded Sharp for AHL players....I can't stop laughing at that trade.
- nurk

I realize many things.

Bowman will trade Bickell and Sharp for a six pack of Schlitz before he sends Seabrook or any higher profile player anywhere.

Bowman has a cup contending team without Sharp and Bickell....

To do any more damage to the club would be like amputating your arm because you needed a root canal.
- Al

Schlitz - the beer that made Milwaukee famous.

Humorous post Alphons

Would it not solve the cap issue? Makes as much sense as trading Seabrook and be a contending team. So I say (frank) it. Tear it down and we can see once and for all what Bowman is made of.
- TTtime

Nobody really wants to trade Seabrook, to me, 1000 to 1 it would even happen. Just people bored cause there is nothing to discuss.

For me its pretty easy you just;

Trade Sharp, Bickell, and Versteeg for whatever you can get.

Resign Kruger and JO

Extend Seabs at the convention;

Repeat next year.

Its not that difficult

Bowman will trade Bickell and Sharp for a six pack of Schlitz before he sends Seabrook or any higher profile player anywhere.

Bowman has a cup contending team without Sharp and Bickell....

To do any more damage to the club would be like amputating your arm because you needed a root canal.
- Al

What happens to the Hawks if they're not cap compliant by the start of the season? Anyone anyone

I asked if he was willing to do it. I wasn't saying he won't. I'm betting he won't. Like you said, Stan is smart. he knows what he needs, and he's been very good at fielding a competitive team. I think he's got more options than to immediate jump to moving Seabrook if Sharp isn't fetching the return he's looking for. Losing Seabrook, IMO, is too detrimental to gamble on some prospects with upside. There's always the chance those prospects don't live up to the hype and we are stuck with no D core outside of 2 and 4.
- JRoenick97

I agree with you on the surface, but define "prospects with upside"...there are people here who think Marko Dano is another Andrew Shaw with a bit more skill!!! IMO, Dano has demonstrated skill and offensive zone domination that few in the NHL can match, his ability is very real to see...let's say a "Dano-like" DMan as part of a deal to replace Seabrook...that's what Bowman is looking at.

Nobody really wants to trade Seabrook, to me, 1000 to 1 it would even happen. Just people bored cause there is nothing to discuss.

For me its pretty easy you just;

Trade Sharp, Bickell, and Versteeg for whatever you can get.

Resign Kruger and JO

Extend Seabs at the convention;

Repeat next year.

Its not that difficult
- vabeachbear

Voice of reason.

What if Crawford were added to the deal? That should help the defense IYO, no?
- HawkintheD

In lieu of Seabrook? Sure

So that is what this thread is. Lovely.

I don't care what kind of unrealized, cost controlled bullpoop potential a guy has, Brent Seabrook has scored huge goals, made huge plays, stepped into the box in a huge situation and regrouped our captain. ALL his work has directly lead to 3 Cups. His character, leadership, ability to bring it when it matters most IS NOT even CLOSE to being realized if he is traded for a players(s) who has never done it before. FEW players in the current NHL have the pedigree and accomplishments as Brent Seabrook. FEW...so some AHL prospect is even more dubious.

There are TONS of teams out there with "Cost controlled Potential" and they ALL SUCK. Only the teams with proven warriors like Seabook skate the Cup.

I get it...lets just recreate the late 1990s again...lets get rid of the real character of the club, while adding Russians. That will work well.

So this is what our GM is up to? Just going down the pecking order until he finds someone that another team is "willing" to take? Shoot, just shop Kane if that's what it's all about. Cap problem solved. Probably can get some good prospects who are way cheaper than Kane and wow...maybe even scored a big goal in PeeWee Major one year.

This idea needs to go the fook away.
- kwolf68

I agree 100%. Of course Wayne Gretzky was traded in his prime but there is no reason why Seabrook should be traded. HEART and SOUL type guy. You can never have too many of them.

Nobody really wants to trade Seabrook, to me, 1000 to 1 it would even happen. Just people bored cause there is nothing to discuss.

For me its pretty easy you just;

Trade Sharp, Bickell, and Versteeg for whatever you can get.

Resign Kruger and JO

Extend Seabs at the convention;

Repeat next year.

Its not that difficult
- vabeachbear

Exactly. Well, except for the repeat part. That wouldn't be easy.

What happens to the Hawks if they're not cap compliant by the start of the season? Anyone anyone
- BetweenTheDots

Rocky Wirtz flies to New York and tells Bettman he is folding the team and tearing down the United Center for a housing project.

Youre missing my point. If SB were to rip the heart out of a depleted hawk D then it better well be worth it. Yes its lopsided but nothing we'd get in return short of mc david would make up for it.
- fvineze

The forward corps is going to be stacked for years to come because of the core and the other young potential core players… Would be nice to be able to say the same for the D corps… Hopefully TVR and Johns can be more durable than they were this last year… If they can even be a good 5-6 pairing, then we only lack a #4 until Oduya signs, provided the big 3 are still here.

The big loss to the core forward group will be Hossa when he declines… Much to the contrary of what most in the press think, I don't think Saad was a mini-Hossa.

For the D, we need to hope Keith, Seabrook, and Hammer can still be an amazing top 3 for the next 4-5 years. Given Keith's athleticism, I think he actually has another good 7 years in him… Hammer always gets dinged up, but he's probably got another good 7 in him. Does Seabrook have another 7 years in him, especially at $7M AAV????

It's possible they are talking and hearing a very large number from Seab's agent. Hard to imagine the Hawks paying him more than $7.5m.

But where does the return for Seabs that improves the Hawks come from? It's not the Oilers. You want d men back with at least Seabs upside. Aside from Nurse they don't have much. Dallas, NYI, FL, Buff maybe Philly have the assets but maybe not the will. Saad had the benefit of being 23. He fits with the tail end of a rebuild. Does Seabs?
- tredbrta

Seabs has a lot of hockey left in him...I have no doubt believing that NHL GMs know this...he would be at the heart of a rebuild, but more likely the player that puts a team over the top...