It's not difficult to understand. Do you know for sure that FLA is not on the list? If Fla was not on his list, all he had to say was "NO"! Right?
- powerenforcer

Also, these trades to teams not listed by the player (Sharp in this instance) aren't always "black and white"...Sharp would take the deal under certain conditions, but because his conditions would not be met by FLA...

...he vetoed.

At least that's the rumor...

Perhaps we're talking past each other here.

The "rumor" regarding Sharp and FLA is that he refused to accept the trade because FLA wanted him to stay for a number of years. Basically FLA wanted a NTC to keep Sharp in FLA, but Sharp wanted an out-clause in the event that FLA remained bad. (I think I have that correct)

The only way Sharp could dictate any terms is if FLA was NOT on his list, otherwise he'd be guilty of breach of contract.
- ArlingtonRob

That is what I am wondering........but the team does not want to make a big deal of it...yet.

That is what I am wondering........but the team does not want to make a big deal of it...yet.
- powerenforcer

Different stories going around..Brian Hedger tweeted this afternoon his source said Sharp hasn't turned a trade down to Florida and he also said the Hawks haven't talked to Florida in 2/3 weeks.

Sharp can be traded to teams not on his list with his approval.

South Florida became more palatable after a hearing his name linked to Columbus.
There is pressure on a player to make a deal work..Campbell wasn't the most fan appreciated player on the team and I think he knew he would have to leave one way or the other.
- Al

Was Columbus on Campbell's list?

Doesn't Sharp know that he has to leave one way or the other?

That is what I am wondering........but the team does not want to make a big deal of it...yet.
- powerenforcer

If Florida is on his list then there is nothing stopping the trade. There is nothing that Sharp can legally do to stop it. He would just not show up in Florida, then he would be in breach of contract. Until then there is no breach. He can ask for literally anything all they have to do is say no because at that point he doesn't have a leg to stand on. So the fact that (if the rumors are true) that there was no deal because of something he asked for then there is no legal way that Florida was on his list.

Different stories going around..Brian Hedger tweeted this afternoon his source said Sharp hasn't turned a trade down to Florida and he also said the Hawks haven't talked to Florida in 2/3 weeks.

Sharp can be traded to teams not on his list with his approval.
- Al

Will someone who knows the truth please speak up! PLEASE

That is what I am wondering........
- powerenforcer

Some guys have been throwing around the idea of loyalty, or the lack of it.

It is a two-way street, and likely varies from player to player and team to team.

I'm sure the Hawks would luv to facilitate Sharp's desire to only move to certain clubs, but Sharp also knows that making deals isn't easy especially when your a player of a certain age, making 5.9M per, and coming off a down year...

...So I'm sure Sharp is willing to work with the Hawks, since simply refusing to cooperate with Bowman could result in serious cap issues for the Hawks, and damaging the Hawks wouldn't make him very welcome in the clubhouse later this year.

It's a dance...and something will be worked out.

As far as the fans go...I'm with you, it's aggravating.

Was Columbus on Campbell's list?

Doesn't Sharp know that he has to leave one way or the other?
- KingB

But that's just it, he doesn't have to leave. It Stan doesn't accept a deal with a team on the list Sharp provided then the Hawks must honor the contract they signed. Stan has to find a way to stay under the cap. There is nothing that he says he must move Sharp to do it.

Was Columbus on Campbell's list?

Doesn't Sharp know that he has to leave one way or the other?
- KingB

I heard no...Back then Columbus wasn't on anyone's list.

Sharp knows....

I heard no...Back then Columbus wasn't on anyone's list.

Sharp knows....
- Al

LOL! very true

Some guys have been throwing around the idea of loyalty, or the lack of it.

It is a two-way street, and likely varies from player to player and team to team.

I'm sure the Hawks would luv to facilitate Sharp's desire to only move to certain clubs, but Sharp also knows that making deals isn't easy especially when your a player of a certain age, making 5.9M per, and coming off a down year...

...So I'm sure Sharp is willing to work with the Hawks, since simply refusing to cooperate with Bowman could result in serious cap issues for the Hawks, and damaging the Hawks wouldn't make him very welcome in the clubhouse later this year.

It's a dance...and something will be worked out.

As far as the fans go...I'm with you, it's aggravating.
- ArlingtonRob

Well we finally agree on something.


Maybe it's time to call it a night and see what the am brings.

Some guys have been throwing around the idea of loyalty, or the lack of it.

It is a two-way street, and likely varies from player to player and team to team.

I'm sure the Hawks would luv to facilitate Sharp's desire to only move to certain clubs, but Sharp also knows that making deals isn't easy especially when your a player of a certain age, making 5.9M per, and coming off a down year...

...So I'm sure Sharp is willing to work with the Hawks, since simply refusing to cooperate with Bowman could result in serious cap issues for the Hawks, and damaging the Hawks wouldn't make him very welcome in the clubhouse later this year.

It's a dance...and something will be worked out.

As far as the fans go...I'm with you, it's aggravating.
- ArlingtonRob

Well we finally agree on something.


Maybe it's time to call it a night and see what the am brings.

Will someone who knows the truth please speak up! PLEASE
- powerenforcer

He was the only guy saying that they never talked. All other sources say they did. That sounds more like spin control from one end than anything else. All other evidence points to the fact that there was at least some serious conversations about Sharp moving to Fla.

If Florida is on his list then there is nothing stopping the trade. There is nothing that Sharp can legally do to stop it. He would just not show up in Florida, then he would be in breach of contract. Until then there is no breach. He can ask for literally anything all they have to do is say no because at that point he doesn't have a leg to stand on. So the fact that (if the rumors are true) that there was no deal because of something he asked for then there is no legal way that Florida was on his list.
- Quicky72

This!!!

Correct. However, I do not believe that is the case. I believe that Florida was on the list, the team negotiated a deal, something led him not to want to go there so he came up with a demand allowing him to escape there at the deadline if he didn't like what was going on. This is why I believe the statement today tweeted by one of the reporters "Sharp has not been contacted to waive his NTC" is irrelevant to the JJ/CBS florida rumor.
- UCSB616

If the Panthers were on his list, there would have been no conversation, the trade would be done and Sharo wouldn't have anything to say about it. If he puts a team on his list, he is agreeing to going to that team.

Don't post very often but this train is going off the rails.

If the Panthers were on his list, there would have been no conversation, the trade would be done and Sharo wouldn't have anything to say about it. If he puts a team on his list, he is agreeing to going to that team.

Don't post very often but this train is going off the rails.
- SDHawkFan

Indeed...I don't understand why this is so difficult to grasp.

If Sharp should have no loyalty or not do any favors for the Hawks, as some suggest, then Bowman and the Hawks should have no loyalty for Sharp.

Therefore, if I were Stan, I would start SHOPPING Seabs and when the beat writers inquire, I would tell them 'off the record' that if I can't move Sharp, I have to move Seabs and possibly Crawford. This is how it works in big biz, boys & girls.

Then Sharp can address that with the media and his locker room.
- KingB

SB can start with bickell, versteeg, Crawford, too. Also everyone seems to forget that it was SB that handed out NMC/NTC in contracts like candy, and signed sharp, crawford and bickell and versteeg to these contracts. The bickell and CC contract being ridiculous in length, $, and terms.

Not buying how SB is the quintisential great gm. He made this mess. He handed CC a $6m/6y contract with ntc when he could of easily done lower $ and time. He gave bickell a $4m/4y gift with nmc. And he is still exhibiting poor decision making with signing of AA now to a $4.5m/5 year deal and we don't even know if Q is gonna make him sit in the press box AND we had a year to wait to wait. No, SB is not fixing things as much as Mishandling things.

I heard no...Back then Columbus wasn't on anyone's list.

Sharp knows....
- Al

Would you put Columbus or Florida on your list if you were signing a contract. Sure sharp wouldn't want either as options. Don't blame him for this at all.

SB can start with bickell, versteeg, Crawford, too. Also everyone seems to forget that it was SB that handed out NMC/NTC in contracts like candy, and signed sharp, crawford and bickell and versteeg to these contracts. The bickell and CC contract being ridiculous in length, $, and terms.

Not buying how SB is the quintisential great gm. He made this mess. He handed CC a $6m/6y contract with ntc when he could of easily done lower $ and time. He gave bickell a $4m/4y gift with nmc. And he is still exhibiting poor decision making with signing of AA now to a $4.5m/5 year deal and we don't even know if Q is gonna make him sit in the press box AND we had a year to wait to wait. No, SB is not fixing things as much as Mishandling things.
- fvineze

He didn't sign Versteeg to this contract.

If the Panthers were on his list, there would have been no conversation, the trade would be done and Sharo wouldn't have anything to say about it. If he puts a team on his list, he is agreeing to going to that team.

Don't post very often but this train is going off the rails.
- SDHawkFan

Not really. Just one person who seems unclear on the concept.

He didn't sign Versteeg to this contract.
- TTtime

Agree that was FL but he agreed to terms. So its his doing

Agree that was FL but he agreed to terms. So its his doing
- fvineze

No it isn't.

The disaster option is to move Seabrook.
- gmurban

Plan Z is looking to be increasingly possible.

That would be a heck of a blockbuster if 50 and 7 go to EDM.

SB can start with bickell, versteeg, Crawford, too. Also everyone seems to forget that it was SB that handed out NMC/NTC in contracts like candy, and signed sharp, crawford and bickell and versteeg to these contracts. The bickell and CC contract being ridiculous in length, $, and terms.

Not buying how SB is the quintisential great gm. He made this mess. He handed CC a $6m/6y contract with ntc when he could of easily done lower $ and time. He gave bickell a $4m/4y gift with nmc. And he is still exhibiting poor decision making with signing of AA now to a $4.5m/5 year deal and we don't even know if Q is gonna make him sit in the press box AND we had a year to wait to wait. No, SB is not fixing things as much as Mishandling things.
- fvineze

Stan didn't give Versteeg his contract but I agree that Bicks and Crows deals were generous. I remember reading that Bickels camp came to Stan prior to the season ending with a request of about 2.5m for 4 years and the FO balked. Bicks went on to have a great playoff and Stan was obligated to give him the larger contract based on his recent preformance. Do I have that right.

JJ- what kind of odds would you see on something of a 3 way deal to work with sharp? Sharp to a team that would need to make cap room to get him (say like MTL), but then flipping what Salary we take back from that team to a 3rd party with Cap space for a pick...? Say we take Eller or Desharnais but then move them to a team like NJ or FLA....

anything like that happen in recent years? would it be unprecedented?
- gnosox1986

I realize this has probably been answered already (a little late getting on hockeybuzz today!), but methinks Tampa did something like this involving the Oilers and Sam Gagner, with the Coyotes being the 3rd team. It was all clearly a means for Tampa to free cap space, even though I believe they did retain some of Gags salary if I'm not mistaken, while taking a late round pick from Arizona in the process.