I think a lot of people are making judgments of Sharp and they don't know the details of what is really going on.
- carcus

So you are saying that what has been presented so far is false? Perception is reality.

So what you are saying is the "out clause" he demanded as part of the trade was not in his authority to ask for? (Assuming Fla was a team on his list). That to me shows poor sportsmanship. It is like when Rose was talking about his future meetings after his BBALL days. Spoiled brats most athletes are.
- powerenforcer

This is 100% correct. If Florida was on his list.

Pretty sure both did. Think they could have each got a bit more on the open Market.
- PaulNewman

Totally agree, couldn't believe my ears!

So what you are saying is the "out clause" he demanded as part of the trade was not in his authority to ask for? (Assuming Fla was a team on his list). That to me shows poor sportsmanship. It is like when Rose was talking about his future meetings after his BBALL days. Spoiled brats most athletes are.
- powerenforcer

What out clause? He has a No Trade Clause in his current contract. One that his agent and the Hawks agreed to. All he is required to do is submit a list of teams he will accept a trade to. That is it. The team would be asking him to bypass that clause and accept a trade to a team not on his list. Why the hell shouldn't he get something out of it? Its called quid pro quo.

He could just say no. That team is not on my list. And there isn't a thing the Hawks can do about it that doesn't make both of them look foolish in the end. The fact that he ask for a minor re-assurance is a clear indication that he understands the situation and is willing to waive his NTC is his minor condition is met.

So what you are saying is the "out clause" he demanded as part of the trade was not in his authority to ask for? (Assuming Fla was a team on his list). That to me shows poor sportsmanship. It is like when Rose was talking about his future meetings after his BBALL days. Spoiled brats most athletes are.
- powerenforcer

Why the assumption Florida was on the list? If he or his family doesn't want to live that far south I think it is a much safer assumption that they were not. So this whole Florida issue would have been that he would agree to go there if they made a certain commitment to him. Thus waiving his NTC. Otherwise those 8-10 teams that are on the list won't require an extra condition. It's why there is a list.

Then you should be eating the cake.

He is playing by the rules - just like Kevin Hayes, that other ingrate who chose a path in his best interests as opposed to doing what the Hawks wanted.

His contract has the NTC - freely negotiated by the Hawks and his agent. If (as I assume) Florida wasn't on the list of teams he gave them (and I don't think anyone has said it was), he has EARNED the right to turn down a trade to them.

This crap about he should just show gratitude to the Hawks and give in to what they want is just crap - he has contracted rights which gives him contracted power, and he should use it in the best interests of him and his family.
- StLBravesFan

Do you think Bowman would try to trade Sharp to a team that isn't on his list? I guess that is the stumbling block. I have to believe Fla IS on the list, that's what makes the entire situation frustrating for me. Submit your teams, and then let the team negotiate. Don't play GM also.

This is 100% correct. If Florida was on his list.
- UCSB616

Which if he is being asked to waive means its not.

Then you should be eating the cake.

He is playing by the rules - just like Kevin Hayes, that other ingrate who chose a path in his best interests as opposed to doing what the Hawks wanted.

His contract has the NTC - freely negotiated by the Hawks and his agent. If (as I assume) Florida wasn't on the list of teams he gave them (and I don't think anyone has said it was), he has EARNED the right to turn down a trade to them.

This crap about he should just show gratitude to the Hawks and give in to what they want is just crap - he has contracted rights which gives him contracted power, and he should use it in the best interests of him and his family.
- StLBravesFan

Thats fine.. to say hes not being treated like a human???. Good god.. pampered athletes. He can turn down a trade sure. But if he did tell Florida the play well or I want out thing.. thats BS. Sorry. Im sure its all conjecture... but dude to throw out the not being treated like a human.. Pro athletes? Really?? PAMPERED!!!

Which if he is being asked to waive means its not.
- TTtime

Can't assume that....

So you are saying that what has been presented so far is false? Perception is reality.
- powerenforcer

Your perception might be your reality, but that doesn't mean that is what is happening.

Rumors don't always turn out to be true.

Yup. A few years ago when I put my name on the list it was 14,000 and estimated at 10 years. Last year I was told the renewal rate was 99.9% and they didn't even go to the waiting list. Sounds like the same this year.
- Marlowe

Just for your information; one of my friends , who was sitting one row in front of my seats in the 300 level did not renew his two seats last year. This year every game I went to had different people sitting in those seats. I thought those seats would be given to the next in line from the waiting list. I finally asked a couple who sat in his seats and they told me they got the seats via Ticket master. This is not the first time that the Hawks management gave the non renewed tkts to their tkt supplier. Three years ago a loyal Hawk season tkt holder for over 15 years gave his tkts up because he was retiring and moving to Florida. Those tkts have been sold by the Hawks tkt supplier. In my opinion, the only way you will ever get season tkts is to know Rocky or high management.....sorry to say. Our President of the Hawks started the gambit with the Cubs If the demand for tkts are high , Cut down on the sales of season tkts. ..and make more money selling via their tkt provider.

Is he going to Vermont or Boston U? Hockey's Future says Vermont but he switched to Boston U in April. I mean, either one is pretty good at the end of the day....
- MNHawk

Believe it's UVM. I follow BU hockey very closely and he was committed there at some point but either he decommitted or BU pulled the offer. Not sure which it was or when exactly it happened but he's listed as committed to Vermont now on overtheboards.net which tends to be very accurate. If anyone's interested here's a post with some background on Liam (and a video) from a BU Hockey blog after he had committed there:

http://terrierhockey.blog...ower-for-next-season.html

Do you think Bowman would try to trade Sharp to a team that isn't on his list? I guess that is the stumbling block. I have to believe Fla IS on the list, that's what makes the entire situation frustrating for me. Submit your teams, and then let the team negotiate. Don't play GM also.
- powerenforcer

Just because there is a list doesn't mean that those are the only teams the player would go to. A good GM would negotiate with any team interested to try to get the best deal. Then ask the player of they'll accept a trade to that team if they aren't on the list. That's just smart managing. Bowman should be trying to get the best deal possible.

Which if he is being asked to waive means its not.
- TTtime

Correct. However, I do not believe that is the case. I believe that Florida was on the list, the team negotiated a deal, something led him not to want to go there so he came up with a demand allowing him to escape there at the deadline if he didn't like what was going on. This is why I believe the statement today tweeted by one of the reporters "Sharp has not been contacted to waive his NTC" is irrelevant to the JJ/CBS florida rumor.

JJ...you blew up your own page.

Your perception might be your reality, but that doesn't mean that is what is happening.

Rumors don't always turn out to be true.
- carcus

True - but all we can go on is what we heard. When the truth comes out, then we can base our reactions on that.

How do you know he is screwing over the team? There have been reports of both sides of the issue. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle like it usually is.

And no, I am not saying anyone is making anything up. There are a multitude of reason why and how any organization dispenses information.
- TTtime

I will say all is based on if Sharp turned down a deal. If none of that is true then I apologize to Patrick Sharp.

I will say all is based on if Sharp turned down a deal. If none of that is true then I apologize to Patrick Sharp.
- PaulNewman

+1 - If Fla was never on his list, then I totally understand his position.

I will say all is based on if Sharp turned down a deal. If none of that is true then I apologize to Patrick Sharp.
- PaulNewman

+1 - If Fla was never on his list, then I totally understand his position.

Why the assumption Florida was on the list? If he or his family doesn't want to live that far south I think it is a much safer assumption that they were not. So this whole Florida issue would have been that he would agree to go there if they made a certain commitment to him. Thus waiving his NTC. Otherwise those 8-10 teams that are on the list won't require an extra condition. It's why there is a list.
- Quicky72

Nailed it.

Anyone remember Brian Campbell? He married a Chi lady and didn't want to go to Florida. But he relented and went.

If Campbell doesn't go to Florida, there would probably not have been a Cup in 2013.

Can't assume that....
- powerenforcer

I am not assuming anything. Well, not quite anything.

Anyone remember Brian Campbell? He married a Chi lady and didn't want to go to Florida. But he relented and went.

If Campbell doesn't go to Florida, there would probably not have been a Cup in 2013.
- KingB

Posted this a couple of pages ago.
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Sorry but I dont feel bad.. Hes getting damn near 6 million a year to play a game. Buy a house where you want to be and stay there in the off season. Im sure he will be fine.
- z1990z
Or do what a lot of pro athletes do. Rent a place during the season and come home when you can and in the off season. Bring the family to you on weekends when you playing at home and when school is on vacation. Lots of Pro Athletes do this so why can't Sharp? I think Soupy had as strong of a NTC or maybe stronger. He saw the writing on the wall. He said ok to a trade to Florida. Then a bad Florida team. At least this one has some promise."

Posted this a couple of pages ago.
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Today @ 10:04 PM ET     



Sorry but I dont feel bad.. Hes getting damn near 6 million a year to play a game. Buy a house where you want to be and stay there in the off season. Im sure he will be fine.
- z1990z
Or do what a lot of pro athletes do. Rent a place during the season and come home when you can and in the off season. Bring the family to you on weekends when you playing at home and when school is on vacation. Lots of Pro Athletes do this so why can't Sharp? I think Soupy had as strong of a NTC or maybe stronger. He saw the writing on the wall. He said ok to a trade to Florida. Then a bad Florida team. At least this one has some promise."


- PaulNewman

Sorry not sure why all of it is bolded. Must be the same reason I can't do the red font. This is part of what I posted before.
I think Soupy had as strong of a NTC or maybe stronger. He saw the writing on the wall. He said ok to a trade to Florida. Then a bad Florida team. At least this one has some promise."

Do you think Bowman would try to trade Sharp to a team that isn't on his list? I guess that is the stumbling block. I have to believe Fla IS on the list, that's what makes the entire situation frustrating for me. Submit your teams, and then let the team negotiate. Don't play GM also.
- powerenforcer

The only guy "playing" GM is Bowman...I'm not sure you understand the process.

Sharp has his list and Bowman has conversations with those clubs regarding Sharp. Many of these teams likely have zero interest in Sharp, or can't afford him, so the list is shortened.

If clubs NOT on Sharp's list are interested they are free to contact either Bowman or Sharp's agent to inform them they'd like to talk. If the talks go well Sharp'e agent is contacted to discuss possibly reconsidering the "list".

The submitted list is a starting point, but if nothing can be worked out other clubs can enter the conversation. Sharp has a negotiated right to veto or accept the offers from clubs not on the list.

It's not rocket science.