Well you are due..
- Al

Yeah, that is what I keep saying to myself......

The Blues passed him up in that universe too???
- carcus

They never learn.

Careful ER you're new on the board and I should warn you if you question anything the Great Stan does (the Stan Bowman Thought Police) will quickly descend...because God forbid we actually question or discuss anything. Stan can do no wrong...
- DK002

Or maybe you're just wrong and have been saying the same things since the trade deadline?

I've laid out how performance bonuses work in an above post, but for the purpose of salary cap compliance, the answer is that his performance bonuses effectively* do NOT count against the cap until he earns them. Once he earns them, they count against this year's cap. Any bonus that exceeds the cap space the team has this year will count against next year's cap.

* They do technically count against the cap, but a team can exceed the cap by about $5m (7% of this year's cap) if the overage is attributable to performance bonuses.
- darklighter

Helpful, thanks!

so I hear you still have sharp available

so I hear you still have sharp available


- Isles_since_6

We moved on. The next topic on the docket is supply-side economics.

If I have this right Sharp has nixed two potential trades by not waiving his NTC, which is his prerogative. Time to fold em and play the cards that were actually dealt and deal him to a team that's actually on his list.

We moved on. The next topic on the docket is supply-side economics.
- TTtime

I think I see what you did there.

We moved on. The next topic on the docket is supply-side economics.
- TTtime

- Isles_since_6

Exactly.

But of course as we all know there is nothing higher than architect.
- daaaahawks

Not true my friend. Why merely focus on a single building when you can design a whole city. The City Planner is the alpha dog.

Careful ER you're new on the board and I should warn you if you question anything the Great Stan does (the Stan Bowman Thought Police) will quickly descend...because God forbid we actually question or discuss anything. Stan can do no wrong...
- DK002

I'm a Stan guy. I think most of the decisions and moves he makes are good. I'm happy he's the Hawks GM and hope he remains in that position for the foreseeable future. But I also know no one is perfect - certainly not me and certainly not Stan. I don't know the inside story so I don't know if there are facts I'm unaware of, but from the outside looking in, this whole Sharp trade situation looks like a repeat fiasco of the Leddy trade fiasco from last summer. So I express my frustration with the situation as best as I am able to discern the facts and as of right now it looks like the Hawks are (again) getting caught in reaction mode rather than driving home a deal by understanding the reality of the situation and doing whatever it takes to get it done.

Or maybe you're just wrong and have been saying the same things since the trade deadline?
- biegs

I applauded Stan at the TDL because I though he stepped up to the plate and made the right moves - moves that helped the Hawks win the Cup and well worth the draft picks and prospects that were traded away. There have been more things I think Stan did well than mistakes he made. But, the Leddy trade last summer and the Sharp trade this summer happen to be things I think were not handled as well as they could have been.

Presentlye between Chattanooga and Atlanta.

sooo. the hawks signed yet another player, who fits under the cap, but no subtractions.

I just love it!


I am going in the pool, and not reading a one post, because I know there are people stewing here.


Just realx the freak up!
- wiz1901

After a couple of Manhattans and a nice dinner you might want to check your PM's...

I posted this before but I'm going to post this again - Stan's main focus should be on cap relief and the main piece he has to move is Sharp. This should have been known weeks ago, and having known that - any and all demands, contingencies, requirements, etc., should have been explored so that it was found out long before July 7th that a trade with Florida was not viable for some reason. If that was just discovered over the past 24 hours, then it is pure and simple incompetence by the Hawks front office. Time spent on other things like extending Anisimov and trading for Liam Coughlin could have been better spent on finding and executing a trade of Sharp. Whoever it is that should have been more on the ball should be held accountable if it ends up costing the Hawks the best chance they have to win again next season which would seem to be to keep their top-4 d-corps in place.

Or maybe I don't understand some nuances or something.
- EbonyRaptor

At the risk of being labelled a Thought Cop patrolling the beat of Stanbo's competence, wouldn't it be safe to say Stan's been multi-tasking?

I'm pretty sure if we had a look at his "to do list" I'd bet that getting Cap compliant would be higher on his list than trading for Liam Coughlin and re-signing TVR. Should he not do those other things if they present themselves while he's looking for trade partners for 10, 23, + 29 for the sake of perception?

The return for dumping Sharp, Bickel, and Versteeg; is retaining O'duya, Krueger, and in the short term Crawford. Not a bad return in my mind. Stan should drop them all for a bag of pucks if need be, otherwise repeating(or a deep run) will be a fantasy.

Bob P.

Besides all the Science + BS talk, have a hunch the Senators will make a late play for Sharp...... I called it 1st
- Ur Not Me

I was told the "late play" may come from a team that makes a flurry of smaller cap reduction moves.

Wonder who was rumoured to be coming back from Florida in the Sharp deal
- walter34

Never heard.

That's the part of the rumor some will say I was too lazy to make up, while on other occasions, my creative energy on imagining the assets being exchanged is legendary.

By late play, do you mean later in the summer/training camp?? That will be too late as Kreuger and O'duya will more than likely have moved on.



Bob P.

By late play, do you mean later in the summer/training camp?? That will be too late as Kreuger and O'duya will more than likely have moved on.



Bob P.
- BobP.

JJ's earlier post said that small moves to clear space would be over next 36 hours or so

I posted this before but I'm going to post this again - Stan's main focus should be on cap relief and the main piece he has to move is Sharp. This should have been known weeks ago, and having known that - any and all demands, contingencies, requirements, etc., should have been explored so that it was found out long before July 7th that a trade with Florida was not viable for some reason. If that was just discovered over the past 24 hours, then it is pure and simple incompetence by the Hawks front office. Time spent on other things like extending Anisimov and trading for Liam Coughlin could have been better spent on finding and executing a trade of Sharp. Whoever it is that should have been more on the ball should be held accountable if it ends up costing the Hawks the best chance they have to win again next season which would seem to be to keep their top-4 d-corps in place.

Or maybe I don't understand some nuances or something.
- EbonyRaptor

I think Bowman is really trying. The Florida thing, IF YOU CHOOSE to believe it, I think is informative.

They wanted to a deal with a team that has tons of cap room—so likely to minimize or eliminate salary coming back. And they wanted a decent return. Fair to think Dale would be willing to pay fairly for a talent he believes in.

Now, they have to get Sharp to waive. What I had heard prior to hearing this rumor was that he wanted to go to a place where he could win and he had geographic preferences (i.e., not the South).

So Stan and Dale try to talk him into going to FL, he says fine, but "I want an out clause." Florida won't do it. The last thing they want is to have a guy come in as the face of their franchise who probably really would rather not be with the franchise at all.

So Stan is trying. I think Sharp may have vetoed Dallas as well. Other offers he's rumored to have gotten involve salary coming back. And it's becoming more and more evident that if he can't move Sharp's salary nearly or in entirety, then he might have to cut deeper, i.e. Crawford, because the league is not beating down the door for Bickell and Versteeg.

Bowman is in a tough spot. And if he did turn down decent offers at the draft, well than it's of his own doing. But no, we don't know exactly what those offers were, and from which teams, except maybe Dallas, and maybe Bowman had no control over that situation.

JJ's earlier post said that small moves to clear space would be over next 36 hours or so
- Marlowe

That's a guess, i think the Hawks will do something with Sharp in that timeframe.

At the risk of being labelled a Thought Cop patrolling the beat of Stanbo's competence, wouldn't it be safe to say Stan's been multi-tasking?

I'm pretty sure if we had a look at his "to do list" I'd bet that getting Cap compliant would be higher on his list than trading for Liam Coughlin and re-signing TVR. Should he not do those other things if they present themselves while he's looking for trade partners for 10, 23, + 29 for the sake of perception?
- HawkintheD

The Coughlin thing is completely excusable. Kids big and plays hard, could use more of that.

The Anisimov thing feels like he was gilding the lily a bit, and yes taking his eye off the ball unnecessarily for a day or so, but who knows.

I think Bowman is really trying. The Florida thing, IF YOU CHOOSE to believe it, I think is informative.

They wanted to a deal with a team that has tons of cap room—so likely to minimize or eliminate salary coming back. And they wanted a decent return. Fair to think Dale would be willing to pay fairly for a talent he believes in.

Now, they have to get Sharp to waive. What I had heard prior to hearing this rumor was that he wanted to go to a place where he could win and he had geographic preferences (i.e., not the South).

So Stan and Dale try to talk him into going to FL, he says fine, but "I want an out clause." Florida won't do it. The last thing they want is to have a guy come in as the face of their franchise who probably really would rather not be with the franchise at all.

So Stan is trying. I think Sharp may have vetoed Dallas as well. Other offers he's rumored to have gotten involve salary coming back. And it's becoming more and more evident that if he can't move Sharp's salary nearly or in entirety, then he might have to cut deeper, i.e. Crawford, because the league is not beating down the door for Bickell and Versteeg.

Bowman is in a tough spot. And if he did turn down decent offers at the draft, well than it's of his own doing. But no, we don't know exactly what those offers were, and from which teams, except maybe Dallas, and maybe Bowman had no control over that situation.
- John Jaeckel

This. Thanks for laying this out. I was thinking along the same lines but was too lazy to type it all.

As far as Anisimov I think the reason to sign him now is two fold. First there is the cost certainty angle that we keep hearing. Add to that that this is clearly a player they wanted. Second if he plays with Kane and puts up career numbers he'll only get more expensive. If you are the front office and are confident in the player you are signing better to sign him now for cheaper.

I do agree though why so early this year? All the points above are relevant for not waiting until next year. They still had all summer to get the extension done. That eye off the ball thing as far as dealing current roster players I think is relevant in that sense.

The Coughlin thing is completely excusable. Kids big and plays hard, could use more of that.

The Anisimov thing feels like he was gilding the lily a bit, and yes taking his eye off the ball unnecessarily for a day or so, but who knows.
- John Jaeckel

We discussed Caughlin last night..In my view pretty impressive he got a ride to Vermont so who knows...

Anisimov resigning is part of the price Bowman had to pay to get value back for Saad...Anyone bothered by his $$ should remember Bowman said he has tried to trade for him in the past and also there was no choice but to trade Saad it was only a question of where. In my view the Hawks have some holes to fill to keep the engine running and draft picks would not have been as good as the package they got from the Jackets.

As far as Sharp...There are not many teams that can afford him so we will see....And there are less yet when we eliminate those that can afford to take on his salary but are cities Sharp doesn't want to okay. Something has to give sooner than later...