My understanding from reading the CBA is as follows.

A player's technical cap hit is the average annual value (AAV) of the contract, including all bonuses, even those which are only earned by performance. However, a club can go above the cap by 7% so long as any overage is attributable to unearned bonuses.

Once the player earns the bonus, it is charged against the team salary ceiling for the year in which the bonus was earned. If the team lacks the space to do this, any overage is automatically charged against the next year's salary ceiling.

So, effectively, the cap hit is the base salary, with the caveat that the Hawks will have to pay for any bonus overage in the following year. With Panarin, that means they may have a substantial cap hit for him next year. But for this year, Chicago can (if it needs to) treat Panarin as if he's only going to earn his sub-$1m base salary.
- darklighter

Thanks. so in other words the Hawks don't have to have $3.2M of cap space for Panarin when the season starts - only his AAV which is $900K (or whatever).

The unspoken consideration in all of this is Artemi Panarin's cap hit. If bonuses count, then his contract takes up $3.2m in cap space at the beginning of the season, that puts the Blackhawks about $4m over RIGHT NOW (he's not officially on their roster at the moment so most of the salary cap websites don't have that number in their calculations.)


- matt_ahrens

That consideration is unspoken because it is factually incorrect. Panarin's bonuses, should they put the Hawks over the cap at the end of the year, are applied to the FOLLOWING year's salary cap. See the Jarome Iginla situation with Boston a few years ago.

Wow, WAKE UP! WTF do you think molecules consist of...atoms...and we consider atoms the densest material in the known universe...and what are atoms? VAST EMPTY SPACE! If a basketball in your hand represented the size and location of the nucleus, then the mass of swirling electrons representing the boundaries of the atom would be 30 to 40 miles away!!! In between is NOTHING but vast empty space.

Have you ever heard of the Double Slit Experiment? It is now the most REPLICATED Science experiment in history because of what it proves. All of the most respected Quantum Physicists on the planet say the same thing: "if you understand what the results of the double slit experiment mean, then you understand Quantum Physics and thus how the Universe functions". Matter is only solid when we OBSERVE it, expecting it to act as we have come to know it will...but the moment you stop observing matter (molecules, atoms, photons of light) it stops behaving like solid particles, rather like infinite waves of possibilities, quantum soup, where all things are possible and connected as ONE (Einstein's Quantum Entanglement...the "spooky" science)!

If you don't understand this, then I strongly suggest for your own personal benefit and happiness, you study it! There are thousands of brilliant documentaries on the subject, but a great place to start might be Down the Rabbit Hole, What the Bleep Do We Know? If you choose not to wake up to your actual reality, then you might want to stop and think before you speak as there's only so much oxygen available for those who do!
- MexicoHawk

Huh? I think you're blending Young's double slit experiment with Schrödinger's cat and Quantum entanglement. Especially considering Young's experiment was like a century before Einstein was even born...

The double slit experiment shows that light behaves both as a wave and a particle, which Einstein expanded upon a little via the photoelectric effect (his first Nobel prize if I recall). Schrödinger's cat refers to the observable universe in that we cannot make assumptions or predictions about things we cannot measure, and that we are unable to measure things with any certainty. Richard Feynman's works go even further, stating that there is randomness in the universe that cannot be overcome, and that you can only predict quantum behavior in probabilities, not in certainties.

Also, while there may in fact be thousands of documentaries out there on the subject, What The Bleep Do We Know? and its sequels are NOT accurate resources in any sense of the word, and the physics (and metaphysics) they propose in it are dubious at best.

You would do well to check your own facts before calling out others, especially with such vehemence.

What the heck could his demand have been? I know there was the rumor that he wanted to be signed long-term immediately, but I find it hard to believe that was what was holding them up. There has to be something more.
- Hank3Henshaw

Wanting to be signed long-term immediately could not possibly be what was holding this theoretical deal up. With two year's left on his current contract, he isn't even eligible to be extended until July 1st, 2016.

JJ--There has been a lot of news coming in that FLA has moved on due to Sharp's no trade demands.

Any insight as to what the heck the demand could have been? I know it was rumored he wanted a long-term signing right away, which I don't think FLA would have been afraid to do. It just seems odd.

JJ--There has been a lot of news coming in that FLA has moved on due to Sharp's no trade demands.

Any insight as to what the heck the demand could have been? I know it was rumored he wanted a long-term signing right away, which I don't think FLA would have been afraid to do. It just seems odd.
- Hank3Henshaw

to many old ladies in florida for Shapie im guessing

This is why you shouldn't trust David Dwork:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_J._Dwork
- DMChi2010

What what

What what
- ZenlarTheRed

According to his Twitter feed he is a producer for CBS Miami.

Simultaneous physics and hockey discussions - who'd a thunk it

Good start to the day here....now just need to see a Cards victory tonight

No Tank offer sheet as expected. Check back in with you guys later this week.

What the heck could his demand have been? I know there was the rumor that he wanted to be signed long-term immediately, but I find it hard to believe that was what was holding them up. There has to be something more.
- Hank3Henshaw

I don't know but I'm

Thanks. so in other words the Hawks don't have to have $3.2M of cap space for Panarin when the season starts - only his AAV which is $900K (or whatever).
- EbonyRaptor

As I understand it, the Hawks only have to account for the $900K to begin the season, but will be on the hook for any bonuses earned during the season. If Panarin meets any bonuses, they will need to account for the overage in next year's cap as they are expected to be right up against the upper level in 2015/2016.

Mexico - I'm impressed with your knowledge of this documentary. Physics teachers show the Dr. Quantum part to students all the time. Also, what did you do after your injury? Major in physics?

That being said, steel girders are composed of atoms, which are composed of sub-atomic particles that include electrons. Sure, there's tons of empty space between each electron and its nucleus, but those sub-atomic particles are still there.

I enjoy JJ's writing a lot, although it wasn't the best of analogies...
- DMChi2010

But of course it was a great analogy because those particles are nothing more than VAST EMPTY SPACE, they only "act" solid when we observe them! Electrons are considered "elementary" particles because they don't possess any known components or substructures, they create electromagnetic fields! Thus trusting for an elevator to go up when you press the button, accurately describes how much of the human experience unfolds...things happen simply because WE EXPECT THEM TO! Remember, Einstein was completely aware that his theory of relativity ONLY "worked" at a MACRO level, it does NOT begin to accurately explain how things operate in the MICRO world of quanta. This is why Einstein spent the rest of his life working on Super String Theories and trying to explain Quantum entanglement! Einstein knew that all objects in the universe are made up of the exact same things (see Dr. Carl Sagan's Cosmos), which are atoms, and atoms are NOT SOLID and do NOT operate by the laws of so-called "Newtonian Physics". This is why understanding the Double Slit experiment is such an important journey for all human beings!

Thanks. so in other words the Hawks don't have to have $3.2M of cap space for Panarin when the season starts - only his AAV which is $900K (or whatever).
- EbonyRaptor

$812,500, I think. But yeah, basically.

They do have to worry about it next year though, because they won't be able to push it off like they are this year.

Edit: I should clarify that Panarin's AAV is NOT $812,500. It's $3.5m, which includes all of his potential bonuses. It's just that the majority of that - $2.575m - is in the form of yet-to-be earned performance bonuses, so Chicago's allowed to exceed the cap to that extent.

David Dwork (@DavidDwork)
7/7/15, 2:30 PM
@v3ktorious based on what I was told regarding Sharp's NTC issue it wouldn't surprise me if DT has moved on.
- walleyeb1

But of course it was a great analogy because those particles are nothing more than VAST EMPTY SPACE, they only "act" solid when we observe them! Electrons are considered "elementary" particles because they don't possess any known components or substructures, they create electromagnetic fields! Thus trusting for an elevator to go up when you press the button, accurately describes how much of the human experience unfolds...things happen simply because WE EXPECT THEM TO! Remember, Einstein was completely aware that his theory of relativity ONLY "worked" at a MACRO level, it does NOT begin to accurately explain how things operate in the MICRO world of quanta. This is why Einstein spent the rest of his life working on Super String Theories and trying to explain Quantum entanglement! Einstein knew that all objects in the universe are made up of the exact same things (see Dr. Carl Sagan's Cosmos), which are atoms, and atoms are NOT SOLID and do NOT operate by the laws of so-called "Newtonian Physics". This is why understanding the Double Slit experiment is such an important journey for all human beings!
- MexicoHawk

Uh…no… I'm still impressed you know something about this, but I think you are confusing some of the theories and how they operate…

But back to hockey -- where did you play?

Good start to the day here....now just need to see a Cards victory tonight

No Tank offer sheet as expected. Check back in with you guys later this week.
- stljam

You CUB'S WIN!!!!

But of course it was a great analogy because those particles are nothing more than VAST EMPTY SPACE, they only "act" solid when we observe them! Electrons are considered "elementary" particles because they don't possess any known components or substructures, they create electromagnetic fields! Thus trusting for an elevator to go up when you press the button, accurately describes how much of the human experience unfolds...things happen simply because WE EXPECT THEM TO! Remember, Einstein was completely aware that his theory of relativity ONLY "worked" at a MACRO level, it does NOT begin to accurately explain how things operate in the MICRO world of quanta. This is why Einstein spent the rest of his life working on Super String Theories and trying to explain Quantum entanglement! Einstein knew that all objects in the universe are made up of the exact same things (see Dr. Carl Sagan's Cosmos), which are atoms, and atoms are NOT SOLID and do NOT operate by the laws of so-called "Newtonian Physics". This is why understanding the Double Slit experiment is such an important journey for all human beings!
- MexicoHawk

I have no idea what any of this means, but it's not physics...

I have no idea what any of this means, but it's not physics...
- Sandus

Quantum Theory?

Good start to the day here....now just need to see a Cards victory tonight

No Tank offer sheet as expected. Check back in with you guys later this week.
- stljam

No for today and No for tonight... Thanks though.

Huh? I think you're blending Young's double slit experiment with Schrödinger's cat and Quantum entanglement. Especially considering Young's experiment was like a century before Einstein was even born...

The double slit experiment shows that light behaves both as a wave and a particle, which Einstein expanded upon a little via the photoelectric effect (his first Nobel prize if I recall). Schrödinger's cat refers to the observable universe in that we cannot make assumptions or predictions about things we cannot measure, and that we are unable to measure things with any certainty. Richard Feynman's works go even further, stating that there is randomness in the universe that cannot be overcome, and that you can only predict quantum behavior in probabilities, not in certainties.

Also, while there may in fact be thousands of documentaries out there on the subject, What The Bleep Do We Know? and its sequels are NOT accurate resources in any sense of the word, and the physics (and metaphysics) they propose in it are dubious at best.

You would do well to check your own facts before calling out others, especially with such vehemence.
- Sandus

I believe you're onto something here....

Quantum Theory?
- furso27

Quantum Theory is most definitely physics, but nothing in that paragraph even resembles Quantum Theory.

If the season started, tomorrow all the boys would be intact.

Sharp - Toews - Hossa
Panarin - Anisimov - Kane
Versteeg - TT - Dano
Desjardins - Kruger - Shaw
Tikhonov and Bickell as extra bodies
- TommyHawk

Aren't Morin and Tropp both on one way deals?

See, soccer can be high-scoring:

http://www.espnfc.com/int...u-concede-total-114-goals

You CUB'S WIN!!!!
- Maggie

First game....it's early summer so it's still possible.