Analogy time

Say you want to buy a house. It's an older home and the current owner is asking more than fair value. You make an offer, as do several others looking at purchasing it. All offers are refused and counter-offers are unproductive.

Then, you find out the owner must sell in order to avoid foreclosure. The time before this happens is limited and the clock is ticking.

So, Sharp, Versteeg, Bickel or a all of them must be traded or you'll lose a combination of assets including Oduya, Krug and Crawford. The worst part, you still hold onto your debt and liabilities if you don't settle.

I'm not suggesting Sharp is worthless or that he won't fetch fair value, it's that Chicago are running out of bargaining chips.

Just as I write this, watch some GM come up and over-bid on Sharp...because it happens all the time
- elcabong

Wait.....Sharp has his home up for sale? I don't understand why we are talking about foreclosure.

For what it's worth...

I thought in the beginning Sharp would be a good fit on the Island..Veteran scorer..leadership etc.

I was told the Islanders front office is very conscious of future cap concerns and seems to lean on the conservative side.

With time passing and the pool of teams that can afford Sharp shrinking I reached out for some Islander feedback today...

I was told it is highly unlikely they will be in on Sharp-They need a dman.
- Al

Interesting...makes sense for them Thanks Al.

On we go.......

Cuz he's on the checking line. OK? You win. Happy?
- blackhawk24

No he won't be happy until you say - Because Sharp sucks and is in major decline because Q saw something during the offseason and knew he was declining before he declined on the ice.. that's why he's on the 3rd line and you can't trade him because he is a declining player with a huge cap hit that you'll have to take back 5 million in salary and give up a 1st rounder for the next 3 years to unload him for a cap savings of 900k.

1st off, stop using my trade proposal without asking.....

In all seriousness, I could see Frans being in a trade back for Sharp, but it all depends on both GM's. But if no player is traded back, then its for a spec + picks bc the salary is needed for Oduya + Kruger (which we both agreed to)
maybe Stan takes a player back and flips him? Who knows, anythings possible...
- Ur Not Me

You need to trademark those things.

I could see Frans being in it. The only trade I would bet against is Versteeg back to FL. They've had interest in him before. I could very well see salary in the form of a player coming back if that player can also be moved or replace a player to be moved. With AA here now I don't see a fit for Frans unless Krueger or Danault are dealt.

NYI make a lot of sense. but i wouldnt expect a great return, mainly due to limited trade partners.
- flyershockey

Busy day at work?

Wait.....Sharp has his home up for sale? I don't understand why we are talking about foreclosure.
- nurk

I thought Chicago fans were 'Sharp' enough to figure it out?

Arguing with this guy is painful and tiring.. I'm done.
- CaptainInsano

Uh oh...Flyershockey wins via tap out.

thats also 6 million that falls off in two years so in dollars it is a bit of a hit but in terms of term and what they probably want out of it it is probably a good deal

whatever. sharp off the books and bickell off the books are really all i care about. good return, poor return, any which way but loose
- fattybeef

Same here.........well............off to keep an eye on my twitter timeline. Something breaks, look forward to discussing it.

At this point, seems to be recycled material here and bound to get heated at some point. That's how we lost a bunch of guys that posted here last year.

I think it will be a '2nd level' prospect and a #2/#3 pick. I could see it being the 3rd best D-Prospect in an organization (depending on talent and depth), almost assuredly not the #1 spec.

SO, in looking at the Islanders on HockeysFuture we would NOT get Reinhart (yes know he's gone) or Pulock...but someone in the Mayfield, Pelech, Graham level. That's just my .02. Then we'd get a #2 or #3, which depends on which of the prospects we get.

Of course, we COULD get a Reinhart or Pulock in a Sharp deal, but it would require assets moving from Chicago.
- kwolf68

It’s kind of funny that I suggested a 2nd and graham/pelech last week and got ripped for it by most of the hawks fans here.

- biegs

Way to funny

SO TRUE. Did you make this on did you find it online?
- nurk

Yes, like this one:

I find this one special since it frames the troll-er.

Busy day at work?
- nurk

I haven't clicked "refresh" this much in a long time.

Cuz he's on the checking line. OK? You win. Happy?
- blackhawk24

WOW, i thought flyershockey was down and out and now he's got dudes submitting left and right. truely remarkable. How is he doing it....You throwing batteries at the easter bunny flyershockey?

"No, there is no proof that steel girders are made of billions of electrons, but you push the up button in the elevator every morning don't you"


i'm pretty sure is proof that matter consists of molecules and sub-atomic particles. haha. See physics circa 1897.

That's where I am. I never thought for a moment we'd get a 1, top spec and player. That was insane.

A player like Mayfield (likely a bottom pair guy) and a pick makes sense. you have him as a 4/5/6, meaning true upside is he could slide into a 4 spot, but most likely solid third pairing prospect.

Trading a 3rd round pick and a prospect who likely tops out as a 3rd pairing guy isn't an overpay at all for Sharp + there is the Cap relief, which is another benefit and it's why we would not get a guy like Pulock unless the Hawks just really loved him then it'd become Sharp + for him...
- kwolf68

Mayfield has so far developed faster than expected (which made Reinhart expendable). He's a big kid w/a mean streak. I don't play the homer card with my team and have different opinions on my players then most of my isles hockeybuzz buddies. Mayfield needs to improve his skating, I'll admit that if he does, he'll supplant Dehaan in the second-pairing role, or even Hamonic. Still to premature to see it, but wouldn't be surprised if it happened.
Pulock is a 1st pairing dman that will supplant Boychuk in 2-3yrs if his progression continues (only to lessen the mins on Boychuk) only time will tell on both.

No he won't be happy until you say - Because Sharp sucks and is in major decline because Q saw something during the offseason and knew he was declining before he declined on the ice.. that's why he's on the 3rd line and you can't trade him because he is a declining player with a huge cap hit that you'll have to take back 5 million in salary and give up a 1st rounder for the next 3 years to unload him for a cap savings of 900k.
- CaptainInsano

OK Insano, ya got me on that one.

I thought Chicago fans were 'Sharp' enough to figure it out?
- elcabong

Oh I see what you did there

George Richards ‏@GeorgeRichards 3m3 minutes ago

No truth to any of the Sharp to #FlaPanther rumors. They aren't interested.

LOL. We heard this before from Dallas.

yeah, this is when this board goes crazy..........the anticipation of a trade happening would be nice, but their is no deadline other then opening night when the Hawks have to field a complete team at or below 71.4 million.

Until then.......we can all hope but who the hell knows.

Truthfully I also don't care to debate Sharp's worth with other fan bases. To me, cap relief is the #1 priority. I think Bowman did a very good job, after taking a personal timeout, in the saad deal. I'll miss saad, but the pieces he got seem to be very good.

This Tinkinov (spell) also very well could replace Kruger if Kruger is looking to exceed his slot on hits team in regards to dollars.

Remember they still have to slot in Seabrook by 7/1 and that also wont' be easy.

Bottom line, from a guy who has verbally chastised Bowman, I am starting to see the light here and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. I think he's earned and deserves that. I am hopeful he makes all the pieces fit, but he's proven since taking over from a guy I knew did a damn good, has done quite well.
- SteveRain

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that pretty much fits the Sharp situation. There are a number of GM's who would relish having him, others see no need or can't afford. He will go somewhere else and play well. I trust his competitiveness and he got to be an 'A' on a championship team for a variety of reasons.

The market sets the price like it does for everything, sometimes there is an overpay in a heated market, other times there are bargains to be had. I'd like to see Tallon pick him up because Florida is a hard market to succeed in, Sharp would help with that. Screw Garth Snow and Marc Bergevin if they are sitting on better offers than they have put forth to date.

But according to our Philly fan no team exists that needs leadership, has cap room and is younger.. so none of these options work. So according to them, we should just give sharp away for a used jockstrap.
- CaptainInsano

thats not what i said...troll. you're forgetting a crucial piece.

Uh-oh. pretty decent rebuttel here.
- nurk

Who are you supposed to be? Ref or Instigator ?

BTW, what the score?

That's what the twins are about. These 2 pulled the same garbage during the WCF on JJs threads. They must share the same mommy's basement. Where you see one you see another. They obviously really care for each other. Very symbiotic. Like mold on bad fruit.
- tredbrta

If this is in reference to me, I take offense.


CC: ekolb13 and capteo

>Side note on Sharp: some media type is posting "information" on Sharp as it relates to their team on Twitter every few minutes or so
>Doesn't make the goodship Blackhawk look like they are in control of the situation
>Of course, none of it matters, especially if the Hawks move #10 and get max cap relief

Mayfield has so far developed faster than expected (which made Reinhart expendable). He's a big kid w/a mean streak. I don't play the homer card with my team and have different opinions on my players then most of my isles hockeybuzz buddies. Mayfield needs to improve his skating, I'll admit that if he does, he'll supplant Dehaan in the second-pairing role, or even Hamonic. Still to premature to see it, but wouldn't be surprised if it happened.
Pulock is a 1st pairing dman that will supplant Boychuk in 2-3yrs if his progression continues (only to lessen the mins on Boychuk) only time will tell on both.
- Ur Not Me

We said that about Rundblad. So did the Yotes and so did the Sens..... Not saying Mayfield will not cut it but prospects are prospects. If you haven't worked with a skating coach by 22?

No he won't be happy until you say - Because Sharp sucks and is in major decline because Q saw something during the offseason and knew he was declining before he declined on the ice.. that's why he's on the 3rd line and you can't trade him because he is a declining player with a huge cap hit that you'll have to take back 5 million in salary and give up a 1st rounder for the next 3 years to unload him for a cap savings of 900k.
- CaptainInsano

yep...thats exactly what im saying. y ou nailed it.