you havent seen all the rumors then because the flyers have been brought up across multiple outlets. probably just bc its the flyers, since they dont really have the room or would want to give up assets to acquire sharp, but its been put out there.

its a hockey discussion. do you like to live in a world where everyone agrees?
- flyershockey

Uh-oh. pretty decent rebuttel here.

Ah, the old blaming the goalie. They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time.
- Crawford

You don't like 14 passes in a row on the PP?
- JRoenick97

Exactly

you havent seen all the rumors then because the flyers have been brought up across multiple outlets. probably just bc its the flyers, since they dont really have the room or would want to give up assets to acquire sharp, but its been put out there.

its a hockey discussion. do you like to live in a world where everyone agrees?
- flyershockey

Nope...and if you read my posts I am against that philosophy.

I just don't see a match with Philly. I think Sharp has 2-3 good, productive years left in him. A guy who would help a younger team trying to take that next step. That's why I was always on the NYI or Washington train. Not sure Washington works anymore, but a team like NYI who has little playoff success could use a veteran who is playoff performer and proven winner.

That it is a buyer's market for Sharp has been acknowledged here from day 1. Age, cap situation all acknowledged here over and over again. The report that Stan was asking a 1st, an NHLer and a prospect was never confirmed but seemed to be accepted as truth elsewhere. Many here thought the report would have made more sense as a 1st rounder or NHl player or prospect NOT for all. Obviously unreasonable as reported and time has passed. That doesn't mean Stan will accept a salary dump return for him. Maybe he gets a pick but it isn't Campbell like trade. Lots of Isles posters throwing up zero returns or ridiculous salary coming back (Grabner and Frans for Sharp?). Stan isn't being taken.

Leddy was moved the day before a penalty would be incurred last year. The return was still one of your top 4 d prospects that actually outperformed guys Garth reportedly wouldn't move. No need to crow.
- tredbrta

1st off, stop using my trade proposal without asking.....

In all seriousness, I could see Frans being in a trade back for Sharp, but it all depends on both GM's. But if no player is traded back, then its for a spec + picks bc the salary is needed for Oduya + Kruger (which we both agreed to)
maybe Stan takes a player back and flips him? Who knows, anythings possible...

Ah, the old blaming the goalie. They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time.
- Crawford

I believe thats a quote from anchorman. I don't think there were legitimate studies to prove this. Not allowing this arguement. Lets move on boys.

Nope...and if you read my posts I am against that philosophy.

I just don't see a match with Philly. I think Sharp has 2-3 good, productive years left in him. A guy who would help a younger team trying to take that next step. That's why I was always on the NYI or Washington train. Not sure Washington works anymore, but a team like NYI who has little playoff success could use a veteran who is playoff performer and proven winner.
- SteveRain

But according to our Philly fan no team exists that needs leadership, has cap room and is younger.. so none of these options work. So according to them, we should just give sharp away for a used jockstrap.

The Hawks have gotten something for every tomato can they've traded. Sharp is far from that and still has great speed and has 2 years left at 5.9....a nice value for a team in the Cup window right now. He'll bring a prospect and a pick, you can mark that down. The finagling now is probably more tied to getting Sharp into the situation he wants the most.
- kwolf68

Analogy time

Say you want to buy a house. It's an older home and the current owner is asking more than fair value. You make an offer, as do several others looking at purchasing it. All offers are refused and counter-offers are unproductive.

Then, you find out the owner must sell in order to avoid foreclosure. The time before this happens is limited and the clock is ticking.

So, Sharp, Versteeg, Bickel or a all of them must be traded or you'll lose a combination of assets including Oduya, Krug and Crawford. The worst part, you still hold onto your debt and liabilities if you don't settle.

I'm not suggesting Sharp is worthless or that he won't fetch fair value, it's that Chicago are running out of bargaining chips.

Just as I write this, watch some GM come up and over-bid on Sharp...because it happens all the time

Nope...and if you read my posts I am against that philosophy.

I just don't see a match with Philly. I think Sharp has 2-3 good, productive years left in him. A guy who would help a younger team trying to take that next step. That's why I was always on the NYI or Washington train. Not sure Washington works anymore, but a team like NYI who has little playoff success could use a veteran who is playoff performer and proven winner.
- SteveRain

This is exactly what I thought. Oshie removes the Capitals from moving on Sharp. I think it's down to NY or Florida....not sure what happening with the Habs, they really could use a guy like Sharp.

He was hurt and was not playing on the same line as years past. he went from Line 1 to Line 3. Hence the reasons for his drop. It does not mean he was not a top 6 forward, but Saad was not coming off that Line 1 after Sharp returned.

If he played on Line 1 the entire season and his goals dropped by half I'd say you had a valid argument. However, he did not and clearly his role changed. Why did it change? Injury was one reason. You can't definitively say it was a decline. No one has the concrete evidence to prove that point.

Seriously, I'm done arguing with Flyers and Isle fans.. Go to your own boards already.

I love how no team exists, that's younger that needs some leadership and has cap room...
- CaptainInsano

and you cant definitively say its not. for most of the year and most of the playoffs, he wasnt playing in a top line role. thats a fact. yes, the hawks top 6 is pretty stacked, but weird how he couldnt get his job back even though he "was the same old patrick sharp"

For what it's worth...

I thought in the beginning Sharp would be a good fit on the Island..Veteran scorer..leadership etc.

I was told the Islanders front office is very conscious of future cap concerns and seems to lean on the conservative side.

With time passing and the pool of teams that can afford Sharp shrinking I reached out for some Islander feedback today...

I was told it is highly unlikely they will be in on Sharp-They need a dman.

Nope...and if you read my posts I am against that philosophy.

I just don't see a match with Philly. I think Sharp has 2-3 good, productive years left in him. A guy who would help a younger team trying to take that next step. That's why I was always on the NYI or Washington train. Not sure Washington works anymore, but a team like NYI who has little playoff success could use a veteran who is playoff performer and proven winner.
- SteveRain

NYI make a lot of sense. but i wouldnt expect a great return, mainly due to limited trade partners.

I've been a fan since the early 80's and sometimes I tell them to "Shoot it"
- Quicky72

[url]Late 80's, I'm so ashamed

and you cant definitively say its not. for most of the year and most of the playoffs, he wasnt playing in a top line role. thats a fact. yes, the hawks top 6 is pretty stacked, but weird how he couldnt get his job back even though he "was the same old patrick sharp"
- flyershockey

head meet Wall...

Saad stepped up to line 1 and started playing out of his mind. You don't screw up the chemistry when it's going that well. It's not that Sharp wasn't playing that well, it was Saad wasn't being taken off that top line. Can't say that enough.. over and over and over and over and over and over...

and you cant definitively say its not. for most of the year and most of the playoffs, he wasnt playing in a top line role. thats a fact. yes, the hawks top 6 is pretty stacked, but weird how he couldnt get his job back even though he "was the same old patrick sharp"
- flyershockey

No it's not, because Saad wasn't the same Saad, he was playing at a much higher level. He got the top spot.

[url]Late 80's, I'm so ashamed
- BetweenTheDots

That was a good time to jump in!

No it's not, because Saad wasn't the same Saad, he was playing at a much higher level. He got the top spot.
- JRoenick97

Arguing with this guy is painful and tiring.. I'm done.

It actually was and I tried to delete but don't know how
- Maggie

Yet, with a rare exception, this is pretty much the range of what has been expected here. There was a point where a 1st rounder only may have made sense. Some reports say Dallas offered a take it or leave it package of at least 2 end rounders. So I see a lot of this trolling as simply Cup envy. Not speaking of you personally.
- tredbrta

I gotcha, but I've seen some throw high end names around with top pick, which is comical, but hey, if it could get fetched, its only a bonus to CHI.

trolling is everywhere, just let them get there internet prowess on, and laugh right back at them....

Arguing with this guy is painful and tiring.. I'm done.
- CaptainInsano

What, completely ignoring what people say and regressing to the same point that doesn't hold up isn't fun?

This is exactly what I thought. Oshie removes the Capitals from moving on Sharp. I think it's down to NY or Florida....not sure what happening with the Habs, they really could use a guy like Sharp.
- kwolf68

Bergevin, Dale Tallon's alter ego

What, completely ignoring what people say and regressing to the same point that doesn't hold up isn't fun?
- JRoenick97

Oh my it's the best!! Said no one ever.. hah!

For what it's worth...

I thought in the beginning Sharp would be a good fit on the Island..Veteran scorer..leadership etc.

I was told the Islanders front office is very conscious of future cap concerns and seems to lean on the conservative side.

With time passing and the pool of teams that can afford Sharp shrinking I reached out for some Islander feedback today...

I was told it is highly unlikely they will be in on Sharp-They need a dman.
- Al

thats also 6 million that falls off in two years so in dollars it is a bit of a hit but in terms of term and what they probably want out of it it is probably a good deal

whatever. sharp off the books and bickell off the books are really all i care about. good return, poor return, any which way but loose

then why did sharps goals per game drop in half?
- flyershockey

Cuz he's on the checking line. OK? You win. Happy?

NYI make a lot of sense. but i wouldnt expect a great return, mainly due to limited trade partners.
- flyershockey

Agreed......the return is cap space. that's the #1 priority which then could be used to resign Oduya and solidify arguably the best top 4 D men in the league. that return alone is invaluable.

I never bought into #1 pick, player, and prospect. This isn't a 28 yr old in his prime Sharp like 2010. This is an aging cagey veteran.