just asking, do u think it will be a high regarded prospect + plus high pick? Or something in the B range?
- Ur Not Me

I think it will be a '2nd level' prospect and a #2/#3 pick. I could see it being the 3rd best D-Prospect in an organization (depending on talent and depth), almost assuredly not the #1 spec.

SO, in looking at the Islanders on HockeysFuture we would NOT get Reinhart (yes know he's gone) or Pulock...but someone in the Mayfield, Pelech, Graham level. That's just my .02. Then we'd get a #2 or #3, which depends on which of the prospects we get.

Of course, we COULD get a Reinhart or Pulock in a Sharp deal, but it would require assets moving from Chicago.

- MartiniMan

Exactly.

SO TRUE. Did you make this on did you find it online?
- nurk

It has been used here many, many times. Like today.

we agreed. equal value will not be returned due to it being a buyers market.

TKO!!
- LetsGoIsles

That it is a buyer's market for Sharp has been acknowledged here from day 1. Age, cap situation all acknowledged here over and over again. The report that Stan was asking a 1st, an NHLer and a prospect was never confirmed but seemed to be accepted as truth elsewhere. Many here thought the report would have made more sense as a 1st rounder or NHl player or prospect NOT for all. Obviously unreasonable as reported and time has passed. That doesn't mean Stan will accept a salary dump return for him. Maybe he gets a pick but it isn't Campbell like trade. Lots of Isles posters throwing up zero returns or ridiculous salary coming back (Grabner and Frans for Sharp?). Stan isn't being taken.

Leddy was moved the day before a penalty would be incurred last year. The return was still one of your top 4 d prospects that actually outperformed guys Garth reportedly wouldn't move. No need to crow.

Don't respond to him anymore. It's like listening to bandwagon fans who only watch the team during the finals and pretend to know what they are talking about.
- Crawford

EKolb...personal attack.

anyway, i love how anyone with a divergent viewpoint is a troll. that makes a lot of sense.

After days of this, these posts are so elementary they aren't worth reading or responding to. Thanks for your recommendations, I'm sure Paul Holmgren would agree. They will be passed on to Stanbo to act accordingly.
- RickJ

yeah, this is when this board goes crazy..........the anticipation of a trade happening would be nice, but their is no deadline other then opening night when the Hawks have to field a complete team at or below 71.4 million.

Until then.......we can all hope but who the hell knows.

Truthfully I also don't care to debate Sharp's worth with other fan bases. To me, cap relief is the #1 priority. I think Bowman did a very good job, after taking a personal timeout, in the saad deal. I'll miss saad, but the pieces he got seem to be very good.

This Tinkinov (spell) also very well could replace Kruger if Kruger is looking to exceed his slot on hits team in regards to dollars.

Remember they still have to slot in Seabrook by 7/1 and that also wont' be easy.

Bottom line, from a guy who has verbally chastised Bowman, I am starting to see the light here and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. I think he's earned and deserves that. I am hopeful he makes all the pieces fit, but he's proven since taking over from a guy I knew did a damn good, has done quite well.

I didn't say you were overvaluing him. That was someone else. I'm not sure i understand the "can't fix stupid" comment. can you elaborate that.
- nurk

The hard line stance that Sharp is in decline and the fact that their arguments are based solely on "he was placed on 3rd line for a reason" with nothing concrete to back it up. Basically trade sharp for nothing because we said so. No way to argue that.

That it is a buyer's market for Sharp has been acknowledged here from day 1. Age, cap situation all acknowledged here over and over again. The report that Stan was asking a 1st, an NHLer and a prospect was never confirmed but seemed to be accepted as truth in Isles and nurkland (nurk, nurk, here comes the nurk). Many here thought the report would have made more sense as a 1st rounder or NHl player or prospect NOT for all. Obviously unreasonable as reported and time has passed. That doesn't mean Stan will accept a salary dump return for him. Maybe he gets a pick but it isn't Campbell like trade. Lots of Isles posters throwing up zero returns or ridiculous salary coming back (Grabner and Frans for Sharp?). Stan isn't being taken.

Leddy was moved the day before a penalty would be incurred last year. The return was still one of your top 4 d prospects that actually outperformed guys Garth reportedly wouldn't move. No need to crow.
- tredbrta

It can't really be said any clearer. Well done.

The hard line stance that Sharp is in decline and the fact that their arguments are based solely on "he was placed on 3rd line for a reason" with nothing concrete to back it up. Basically trade sharp for nothing because we said so. No way to argue that.
- CaptainInsano

true or false...his goals per game this season were cut in half.

EKolb...personal attack.

anyway, i love how anyone with a divergent viewpoint is a troll. that makes a lot of sense.
- flyershockey

It's not but what exactly are you hoping to accomplish by coming in here?

The blog title had nothing to do with Philly. I could see if you were a Florida fan, or another team that has been rumored to acquire sharp. However, I haven't read/seen 1 think linked to Philly.

So if you're a closet Hawks fan, welcome aboard.

If not, why waste your time and stir the pot?

true or false...his goals per game this season were cut in half.
- flyershockey

True and how many goals has "said prospect" or some future draft pick scored in the NHL?

true or false...his goals per game this season were cut in half.
- flyershockey

Don't respond to him anymore. It's like listening to bandwagon fans who only watch the team during the finals and pretend to know what they are talking about.
- Crawford

The bandwagon go-to is to instantly yell "SHOOT IT!!" as soon as a guy receives a pass. Or the classic: "HIT HIM!!" Haha. I was once at a game between the Blue Jackets and the Hawks. The Columbus Defensemen picked the puck up behind there net and waited to set up (as both teams were changing lines). This guy was screaming, "Someone better get on him!! Someone get on that guy!" Probably five times in a row.

The other bandwagon move is to immediately race to social media and blame everything entirely on the goalie.

I think it will be a '2nd level' prospect and a #2/#3 pick. I could see it being the 3rd best D-Prospect in an organization (depending on talent and depth), almost assuredly not the #1 spec.

SO, in looking at the Islanders on HockeysFuture we would NOT get Reinhart (yes know he's gone) or Pulock...but someone in the Mayfield, Pelech, Graham level. That's just my .02. Then we'd get a #2 or #3, which depends on which of the prospects we get.

Of course, we COULD get a Reinhart or Pulock in a Sharp deal, but it would require assets moving from Chicago.
- kwolf68

Ok, see that I agree with. Something along the lines of Pelech/Graham/Collberg definitely, Mayfield I think has progressed himself to a future 4/5/6 dman in a year, so I don't see him being moved (yet at least).
Isles don't have a 2nd pick, so I could see a 3rd being used, so I can see this value being discussed for a Sharp trade....

It's not but what exactly are you hoping to accomplish by coming in here?

The blog title had nothing to do with Philly. I could see if you were a Florida fan, or another team that has been rumored to acquire sharp. However, I haven't read/seen 1 think linked to Philly.

So if you're a closet Hawks fan, welcome aboard.

If not, why waste your time and stir the pot?
- SteveRain

you havent seen all the rumors then because the flyers have been brought up across multiple outlets. probably just bc its the flyers, since they dont really have the room or would want to give up assets to acquire sharp, but its been put out there.

its a hockey discussion. do you like to live in a world where everyone agrees?

The bandwagon go-to is to instantly yell "SHOOT IT!!" as soon as a guy receives a pass. Or, the classic: "HIT HIM!!" Haha.

The other bandwagon move is to immediately race to social media and blame everything entirely on the goalie.
- Hank3Henshaw

I've been a fan since the early 80's and sometimes I tell them to "Shoot it"

true or false...his goals per game this season were cut in half.
- flyershockey

He was hurt and was not playing on the same line as years past. he went from Line 1 to Line 3. Hence the reasons for his drop. It does not mean he was not a top 6 forward, but Saad was not coming off that Line 1 after Sharp returned.

If he played on Line 1 the entire season and his goals dropped by half I'd say you had a valid argument. However, he did not and clearly his role changed. Why did it change? Injury was one reason. You can't definitively say it was a decline. No one has the concrete evidence to prove that point.

Seriously, I'm done arguing with Flyers and Isle fans.. Go to your own boards already.

I love how no team exists, that's younger that needs some leadership and has cap room...

I've been a fan since the early 80's and sometimes I tell them to "Shoot it"
- Quicky72

Me too, but you can probably tell the difference when a guy has a lane and it makes sense to shoot vs. just ripping it with their eyes closed. Haha. Don't get me wrong, the Hawks can hold on to it a little too long sometimes, but I'm just saying.

I've been a fan since the early 80's and sometimes I tell them to "Shoot it"
- Quicky72

No worries, Thats allowed on hawk power plays

I've been a fan since the early 80's and sometimes I tell them to "Shoot it"
- Quicky72

You don't like 14 passes in a row on the PP?

Wasnt the Hawks average age around 29years old in the playoffs??
- EnzoD

I heard that also, but a little skewed with Timonen, Vermette...

Ok, see that I agree with. Something along the lines of Pelech/Graham/Collberg definitely, Mayfield I think has progressed himself to a future 4/5/6 dman in a year, so I don't see him being moved (yet at least).
Isles don't have a 2nd pick, so I could see a 3rd being used, so I can see this value being discussed for a Sharp trade....
- Ur Not Me

Yet, with a rare exception, this is pretty much the range of what has been expected here. There was a point where a 1st rounder only may have made sense. Some reports say Dallas offered a take it or leave it package of at least 2 end rounders. So I see a lot of this trolling as simply Cup envy. Not speaking of you personally.

No worries, Thats allowed on hawk power plays
- bhawk1s

especially when you watch them cycle the puck for the first 50 seconds back and forth?? yeah, agreed!!

The bandwagon go-to is to instantly yell "SHOOT IT!!" as soon as a guy receives a pass. Or the classic: "HIT HIM!!" Haha. I was once at a game between the Blue Jackets and the Hawks. The Columbus Defensemen picked the puck up behind there net and waited to set up (as both teams were changing lines). This guy was screaming, "Someone better get on him!! Someone get on that guy!" Probably five times in a row.

The other bandwagon move is to immediately race to social media and blame everything entirely on the goalie.
- Hank3Henshaw

Ah, the old blaming the goalie. They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time.

Ok, see that I agree with. Something along the lines of Pelech/Graham/Collberg definitely, Mayfield I think has progressed himself to a future 4/5/6 dman in a year, so I don't see him being moved (yet at least).
Isles don't have a 2nd pick, so I could see a 3rd being used, so I can see this value being discussed for a Sharp trade....
- Ur Not Me

That's where I am. I never thought for a moment we'd get a 1, top spec and player. That was insane.

A player like Mayfield (likely a bottom pair guy) and a pick makes sense. you have him as a 4/5/6, meaning true upside is he could slide into a 4 spot, but most likely solid third pairing prospect.

Trading a 3rd round pick and a prospect who likely tops out as a 3rd pairing guy isn't an overpay at all for Sharp + there is the Cap relief, which is another benefit and it's why we would not get a guy like Pulock unless the Hawks just really loved him then it'd become Sharp + for him...