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mxgsfmdpx
San Jose Sharks
Location: CA
Joined: 03.17.2009

Jul 6 @ 2:40 PM ET
I think its "who" is on the ice.

I am glad you you think Wilson is swell, I continue to think he was a first class as*hole for the way he handled the team after it lost to LA. But we can agree to disagree.

- hit 'em


More people agree with you for what it's worth.
Sharkssince1995
Joined: 03.19.2015

Jul 6 @ 2:43 PM ET
I think we need a right handed shot though on that line .....that just leaves either Ward or Karlsson
- SJSharks39


We had two righties with jumbo last year. I think that handed shot is overblown at times. Its about who complements the line. Karlsson went to the dirty areas and retrieved pucks for pavs and jumbo. It was an offensively effective line. With hertl and couture i think a little more speed would complement them. Hertl has big size and can go to the tough areas. Couture can stay in the slot and snipe. Nieto can beat players to the puck and retrieve it while drawing guys to him creating space for his line mates. He also can create some space in transition with his speed allowing hertl's skill and coutures snipe to have more space. Ward is better suited for the third line who can go to the dirty areas for tierney and who ever plays on his other wing (preferably a young guy trying to make his way with skill like goldy, jevs, or donskoi).
Sharkssince1995
Joined: 03.19.2015

Jul 6 @ 2:52 PM ET
I think we need a right handed shot though on that line .....that just leaves either Ward or Karlsson

Edit: B/C if you have Nieto in the 2nd line you'll have an all lefty 2nd line & then have an all righty 3rd line. I don't like that at all.

- SJSharks39



Tierney is a left hand shot.
SRam19
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Messier the Greatest Canucks Captain
Joined: 02.12.2015

Jul 6 @ 3:49 PM ET
No Tierney right handed.
- SJSharks39



Thomas, Thomas Thomas

Tierney shoots left.
SJSharks39
San Jose Sharks
Location: I'm the OELest , CA
Joined: 11.14.2014

Jul 6 @ 3:51 PM ET
Thomas, Thomas Thomas

Tierney shoots left.

- SRam19

My bad i kept thinking he was right handed for some reason.
SJSharks39
San Jose Sharks
Location: I'm the OELest , CA
Joined: 11.14.2014

Jul 6 @ 3:54 PM ET


Tierney is a left hand shot.

- Sharkssince1995

I don't why i kept thinking Tierney was right handed, my bad

Nieto to the 2nd line then it's all good.
SJSharks39
San Jose Sharks
Location: I'm the OELest , CA
Joined: 11.14.2014

Jul 6 @ 4:00 PM ET
We had two righties with jumbo last year. I think that handed shot is overblown at times. Its about who complements the line. Karlsson went to the dirty areas and retrieved pucks for pavs and jumbo. It was an offensively effective line. With hertl and couture i think a little more speed would complement them. Hertl has big size and can go to the tough areas. Couture can stay in the slot and snipe. Nieto can beat players to the puck and retrieve it while drawing guys to him creating space for his line mates. He also can create some space in transition with his speed allowing hertl's skill and coutures snipe to have more space. Ward is better suited for the third line who can go to the dirty areas for tierney and who ever plays on his other wing (preferably a young guy trying to make his way with skill like goldy, jevs, or donskoi).
- Sharkssince1995

Yeah i agree with ya, i just kept thinking Tierney was right handed for some reason & i wouldn't want a all same handeness on 2 lines that was where i was coming from but i was a dum dum thinking Tierney was right handed. I guess i'll tell myself to (frank) off.
Sharkssince1995
Joined: 03.19.2015

Jul 6 @ 4:01 PM ET
I don't why i kept thinking Tierney was right handed, my bad

Nieto to the 2nd line then it's all good.

- SJSharks39



It's all good. Just trying to give your boy couts some better linemates so he can light it up this year
SJSharks39
San Jose Sharks
Location: I'm the OELest , CA
Joined: 11.14.2014

Jul 6 @ 4:04 PM ET
Thomas, Thomas Thomas

Tierney shoots left.

- SRam19

BTW my name isn't Thomas.
Sharkssince1995
Joined: 03.19.2015

Jul 6 @ 4:05 PM ET
Yeah i agree with ya, i just kept thinking Tierney was right handed for some reason & i wouldn't want a all same handeness on 2 lines that was where i was coming from but i was a dum dum thinking Tierney was right handed. I guess i'll tell myself to (frank) off.
- SJSharks39


No need to tell yourself to (frank) off. Trust me there are some other people on this site who could use one more than you. AKA anyone who (frank)s with my boy nieto and puts him on the fourth line.
SJSharks39
San Jose Sharks
Location: I'm the OELest , CA
Joined: 11.14.2014

Jul 6 @ 4:10 PM ET
It's all good. Just trying to give your boy couts some better linemates so he can light it up this year
- Sharkssince1995

Hell yeah......we need a stable 2nd line this year......it was (frank)ing horid last year with the old declining Marleau & that revolving RW.
SJSharks39
San Jose Sharks
Location: I'm the OELest , CA
Joined: 11.14.2014

Jul 6 @ 4:12 PM ET
No need to tell yourself to (frank) off. Trust me there are some other people on this site who could use one more than you. AKA anyone who (frank)s with my boy nieto and puts him on the fourth line.
- Sharkssince1995



That's right......anybody who disses the possession monster Nieto.........sjsharkass You can (frank) off
Sharkssince1995
Joined: 03.19.2015

Jul 6 @ 4:15 PM ET


That's right......anybody who disses the possession monster Nieto.........sjsharkass You can (frank) off

- SJSharks39


Sharkssince1995
Joined: 03.19.2015

Jul 6 @ 4:19 PM ET
Hell yeah......we need a stable 2nd line this year......it was (frank)ing horid last year with the old declining Marleau & that revolving RW.
- SJSharks39


To me marleau should hide with jumbo or in the bottom 6. Couture has carried him enough this past year.
SJSharks39
San Jose Sharks
Location: I'm the OELest , CA
Joined: 11.14.2014

Jul 6 @ 4:34 PM ET
To me marleau should hide with jumbo or in the bottom 6. Couture has carried him enough this past year.
- Sharkssince1995

Yeah i think you put Marleau with the joe's that's the best way to get the most out of him. But I'm also confidant at some point though either or both of Joonas or Goldy will make there way on the team inthe top 9 at some point during the season.
Sharkssince1995
Joined: 03.19.2015

Jul 6 @ 4:48 PM ET
Yeah i think you put Marleau with the joe's that's the best way to get the most out of him. But I'm also confidant at some point though either or both of Joonas or Goldy will make there way on the team inthe top 9 at some point during the season.
- SJSharks39


I would agree. It is nice to have so many young guys with potential to play on both the top 6 and bottom 6 replacing guys like brown and scott. We have a good stable of young guys competing for nhl ice time: Donskoi, Goldy, tarasov, jevs, goodrow, and chartier, after his junior season unless he impresses at camp.
sjsharksss
San Jose Sharks
Location: San Jose, CA
Joined: 07.05.2009

Jul 6 @ 4:51 PM ET


That's right......anybody who disses the possession monster Nieto.........sjsharkass You can (frank) off

- SJSharks39


I see what you did there
I'm completely fine with giving Nieto another shot on the second line.. Just think Donskoi is a better fit. And if we're planning on running two equally good 3rd lines then do we really have a top 9? At this point I dont give a (frank) who goes where
Papa Joe19
San Jose Sharks
Location: San Jose, CA
Joined: 01.26.2007

Jul 6 @ 4:54 PM ET
To me marleau should hide with jumbo or in the bottom 6. Couture has carried him enough this past year.
- Sharkssince1995

I agree. Based off the current convo between you and 39 and barring any other significant moves, Pete should try this top 9:
Patty-Joe-Pavs
Hertl-Logan-Melk
Nieto-Tierney-Ward

I like the balance of all 3 lines. And some of us get our righties playing RW
Sharkssince1995
Joined: 03.19.2015

Jul 6 @ 4:56 PM ET
I see what you did there
I'm completely fine with giving Nieto another shot on the second line.. Just think Donskoi is a better fit. And if we're planning on running two equally good 3rd lines then do we really have a top 9? At this point I dont give a (frank) who goes where

- sjsharksss


I rather let the young guys with less experience play on the bottom 6 to get their feet wet rather than make couture's life any harder. If we allow the player time to adjust and proves he can take on a larger role than so be it. Just do not like penciling in young guys to the top 6 unless they are a top pick type player ooozing with nhl ready talent.
sjsharksss
San Jose Sharks
Location: San Jose, CA
Joined: 07.05.2009

Jul 6 @ 5:02 PM ET
I would agree. It is nice to have so many young guys with potential to play on both the top 6 and bottom 6 replacing guys like brown and scott. We have a good stable of young guys competing for nhl ice time: Donskoi, Goldy, tarasov, jevs, goodrow, and chartier, after his junior season unless he impresses at camp.
- Sharkssince1995


It seems that something we all agree on is that the forward group should look like this

Marleau Thornton Pavelski
Hertl Couture
______ Tierney Ward
______ Smith Wingels

With varying opinions on who should be slotted in the remaining 3 spots, between Nieto, Karlsson, and Donskoi. I was sold on Donskoi after watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wcb1r9jbLI
looks like this line had pretty good chemistry
SJSharks39
San Jose Sharks
Location: I'm the OELest , CA
Joined: 11.14.2014

Jul 6 @ 5:04 PM ET
I would agree. It is nice to have so many young guys with potential to play on both the top 6 and bottom 6 replacing guys like brown and scott. We have a good stable of young guys competing for nhl ice time: Donskoi, Goldy, tarasov, jevs, goodrow, and chartier, after his junior season unless he impresses at camp.
- Sharkssince1995

Yeah totally, we've got forward depth that's for sure, obviously Goldy & Meier are the top 6 talents but we've plenty of top 9/bottom 6 talents. That's the way to roll keep the system stocked with talent. We're getting there with blueliners of course with our main 3 we know who they are the top 4 talents. We'll see how Ryan does with the Cuda....we still got Demelo. And our college blueliners see how they keep developing Brodzinski's probably the best of that bunch. The jury's still out on our goalie prospects though with Bergvik & Robinson & Kupsky.

Just keep adding you can never have enough.
Sharkssince1995
Joined: 03.19.2015

Jul 6 @ 5:05 PM ET
I agree. Based off the current convo between you and 39 and barring any other significant moves, Pete should try this top 9:
Patty-Joe-Pavs
Hertl-Logan-Melk
Nieto-Tierney-Ward

I like the balance of all 3 lines. And some of us get our righties playing RW

- Papa Joe19


The only thing making me hesitant with marleau on the top line is who is doing the dirty work? There is a reason why guys like getzlaf and perry play with a belesky or maroon. I would rather keep melker with pavs and jumbo and bring patty down to the third line.

Melker-Jumbo-Pavs
Hertl-Couture-Nieto
Marleau-Tierney-Ward
Goodrow/jevs/joonas/goldy?-Smith-Wingles

Each line has a guy who can go to the dirty areas and beat a defender to the puck in the corner battles. Melker is another guy like marleau who is either with jumbo or on the bottom 6 to me.
Sharkssince1995
Joined: 03.19.2015

Jul 6 @ 5:07 PM ET
Yeah totally, we've got forward depth that's for sure, obviously Goldy & Meier are the top 6 talents but we've plenty of top 9/bottom 6 talents. That's the way to roll keep the system stocked with talent. We're getting there with blueliners of course with our main 3 we know who they are the top 4 talents. We'll see how Ryan does with the Cuda....we still got Demelo. And our college blueliners see how they keep developing Brodzinski's probably the best of that bunch. The jury's still out on our goalie prospects though with Bergvik & Robinson & Kupsky.

Just keep adding you can never have enough.

- SJSharks39


Exactly and it allows for a blockbuster deal to happen with a team (Boston usually) that ships out a young superstar.
SJSharks39
San Jose Sharks
Location: I'm the OELest , CA
Joined: 11.14.2014

Jul 6 @ 5:09 PM ET
I see what you did there
I'm completely fine with giving Nieto another shot on the second line.. Just think Donskoi is a better fit. And if we're planning on running two equally good 3rd lines then do we really have a top 9? At this point I dont give a (frank) who goes where

- sjsharksss



Joonas more than likely starts with the Cuda just like the milk man did with the baby sharks last year.
Sharkssince1995
Joined: 03.19.2015

Jul 6 @ 5:12 PM ET
It seems that something we all agree on is that the forward group should look like this

Marleau Thornton Pavelski
Hertl Couture
______ Tierney Ward
______ Smith Wingels

With varying opinions on who should be slotted in the remaining 3 spots, between Nieto, Karlsson, and Donskoi. I was sold on Donskoi after watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wcb1r9jbLI
looks like this line had pretty good chemistry

- sjsharksss


Marleau i would say is a ? too.
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