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TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 6 @ 8:00 AM ET
That was a pretty dismal performance the past 2 years+ and hasn't had that much success on ice since he purchased the team, and while the prospects look very good that isn't a surefire way to

But having a almost historically bad season is nothing to be proud of or called "winning"

Every owner wants to win since all the extra $$$ and they like that ego boost it's just if they have pride or not to sink down and purposely tank rather than compete day in and day put even if they won't make the playoffs

- dmarsden2988


I guess this is the jealous attitude one shows when his organization clearly has no future and no current talent. I'd be upset too.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jul 6 @ 8:16 AM ET
Eichel will be 19 or 15.

My bet is 19.

- TheSabresTaco


I think 19 as well. We will quickly forget that anyone ever wore it before him (with the possible exception of Kevin McGuire).
The Don
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Glasgow, VA
Joined: 02.03.2007

Jul 6 @ 8:17 AM ET
I think 19 as well. We will quickly forget that anyone ever wore it before him (with the possible exception of Kevin McGuire).
- Slump Buster


You can never forget Kevin McGuire.
sippyd
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Some unreal areas in the suburbs of Detroit. Buffalo, being smaller, simply doesn't have that.-Prock, NY
Joined: 09.30.2007

Jul 6 @ 8:18 AM ET
I guess this is the jealous attitude one shows when his organization clearly has no future and no current talent. I'd be upset too.
- TheSabresTaco


And lost their only star, Parise who was smart enough to get out of there. All they have to look forward to is more over-the-hill players being signed. And will continue to finish near the bottom; but hey, they have pride and are not tanking. Lucky fans.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jul 6 @ 8:32 AM ET
And lost their only star, Parise who was smart enough to get out of there. All they have to look forward to is more over-the-hill players being signed. And will continue to finish near the bottom; but hey, they have pride and are not tanking. Lucky fans.
- sippyd


They were kind of forced into those over-the-hill players because Lamoriello was such an (expletive) drafter
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 6 @ 8:35 AM ET
You can never forget Kevin McGuire.
- The Don

Who's Kevin McGuire?
sippyd
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Some unreal areas in the suburbs of Detroit. Buffalo, being smaller, simply doesn't have that.-Prock, NY
Joined: 09.30.2007

Jul 6 @ 8:41 AM ET
They were kind of forced into those over-the-hill players because Lamoriello was such an (expletive) drafter
- Slump Buster


I wonder if their motto still is, "In Lou We Trust".
sippyd
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Some unreal areas in the suburbs of Detroit. Buffalo, being smaller, simply doesn't have that.-Prock, NY
Joined: 09.30.2007

Jul 6 @ 8:42 AM ET
Who's Kevin McGuire?
- buffalofan19


I never knew he was even on the team.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 6 @ 8:44 AM ET
Who's Kevin McGuire?
- buffalofan19


I think he meant Maguire. And he was just an angry SOB.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 6 @ 8:45 AM ET
I think he meant Maguire.
- TheSabresTaco



Okay. Who's Kevin Maguire?
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 6 @ 8:46 AM ET
Okay. Who's Kevin Maguire?
- buffalofan19


Played in the late 80's as an enforcer.
Cup Crazy '07
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jul 6 @ 8:54 AM ET
Hope business in NHL resumes today!
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 6 @ 8:58 AM ET
Hope business in NHL resumes today!
- Cup Crazy '07



Honestly, I couldn't care less at this point. They're going to get a left-handed defenseman, who most likely isn't going to overwhelm anybody.

Not that they should acquire a world beater, but the fireworks are pretty much over with.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 6 @ 9:05 AM ET
Honestly, I couldn't care less at this point. They're going to get a left-handed defenseman, who most likely isn't going to overwhelm anybody.
- buffalofan19


I'm already whelmed. The $abres are going to $ingle handedly going to $hut down the NHL because of ROROROROROROROR.



Cup Crazy '07
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jul 6 @ 9:07 AM ET
Honestly, I couldn't care less at this point. They're going to get a left-handed defenseman, who most likely isn't going to overwhelm anybody.

Not that they should acquire a world beater, but the fireworks are pretty much over with.

- buffalofan19


I agree. I just like knowing what the roster is going to look like.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jul 6 @ 9:11 AM ET
I'm already whelmed. The $abres are going to $ingle handedly going to $hut down the NHL because of ROROROROROROROR.
- ImThatGuy


Katy Perry might come after the Sabres for copyright infringement

buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:12 AM ET
I'm already whelmed. The $abres are going to $ingle handedly going to $hut down the NHL because of ROROROROROROROR.
- ImThatGuy



If I weren't a Sabres fan, I would be more inclined to point out the fact that the Sabres ties themselves to a guy for 8 years (including the current year, which is the old contract) with little possibility of buying him out if things don't go as well as they hope. Unfortunately, strikes and lockouts have pretty much become the norm in pro sports.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jul 6 @ 9:15 AM ET
If I weren't a Sabres fan, I would be more inclined to point out the fact that the Sabres ties themselves to a guy for 8 years (including the current year, which is the old contract) with little possibility of buying him out if things don't go as well as they hope. Unfortunately, strikes and lockouts have pretty much become the norm in pro sports.
- buffalofan19

Contract is only 3.5mil total more than Vanek got years ago. 49m vs 52.5m
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:19 AM ET
Contract is only 3.5mil total more than Vanek got years ago. 49m vs 52.5m
- cabin



And that turned out to be a bad contract.
justplaintravis
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.27.2014

Jul 6 @ 9:23 AM ET
Toews makes $6.5 a year.
Toews Point Per Game average is .89
Toews has 3 cups.
Toews has 2 gold medals.
Toews in Yzerman 2.0 (my opinion)

ROR will make $7.5 a year
ROR Point Per Game average is .57
.....
.....
.....
ROR wants as much $$ and will anywhere to get it.

So, ya, I think its pretty unfair to compare the two. But if it makes you feel smart, go for it.

- Leniwm1


Toews' cap hit starting this season is 10.5, you moron. 13+ in actual salary too.
mattmoulson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WNY, NY
Joined: 06.14.2015

Jul 6 @ 9:27 AM ET
And that turned out to be a bad contract.
- buffalofan19


Obviously we should have taken the 4 1sts, but the contract wasn't terrible Vanek produced
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:30 AM ET
Toews' cap hit starting this season is 10.5, you moron. 13+ in actual salary too.
- justplaintravis


The difference is still that Toews has proven he's worth that money and probably then some.

The reality is the Ryan O'Reilly contract is paying for potential, which is exactly what got this team in trouble in the first place. I'm okay with the gamble given what else they have, but the combination of assets given up, plus the money being paid, and the structure in which it is being paid, makes this deal a huge risk. This is far from a bargain, and will be very interesting to see how it plays out to say the least.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:31 AM ET
Obviously we should have taken the 4 1sts, but the contract wasn't terrible Vanek produced
- mattmoulson



I look at contracts as part of a big picture. The question shouldn't be "did player x's stats live up to the money". The question should be "how much better of a team did paying player x this kind of money make me?" The answer turned out to be "not that much".

And that's my concern with Ryan O'Reilly. He's going to make the Sabres a better team. I'm just not convinced he's going to make the Sabres that much better.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 6 @ 9:32 AM ET
The difference is still that Toews has proven he's worth that money and probably then some.

The reality is the Ryan O'Reilly contract is paying for potential, which is exactly what got this team in trouble in the first place. I'm okay with the gamble given what else they have, but the combination of assets given up, plus the money being paid, and the structure in which it is being paid, makes this deal a huge risk. This is far from a bargain, and will be very interesting to see how it plays out to say the least.

- buffalofan19


I think it will be OK in the long run. ROR this year is going to be the focal point. IFF everything turns out he will be the third or fourth best piece at a going rate contract in a few years.

But is the $abre$ and they ruined everything.
sippyd
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Some unreal areas in the suburbs of Detroit. Buffalo, being smaller, simply doesn't have that.-Prock, NY
Joined: 09.30.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:43 AM ET
The difference is still that Toews has proven he's worth that money and probably then some.

The reality is the Ryan O'Reilly contract is paying for potential, which is exactly what got this team in trouble in the first place. I'm okay with the gamble given what else they have, but the combination of assets given up, plus the money being paid, and the structure in which it is being paid, makes this deal a huge risk. This is far from a bargain, and will be very interesting to see how it plays out to say the least.

- buffalofan19


You make this sound like you're almost talking about Hodgson. I feel a lot more positive than you.
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