Sounds like Jake is here to stay.
- Feanor

jinxy mcgee

It seems unlikely the Blues trade Shattenkirk this offseason. There is no need to do so. But even if they did, it would come at a prohibitively high cost.

For argument's sake, let's say the Flyers were told Shattenkirk was available for Simmonds, Gostisbehere and a 2016 first-round pick. For that very high cost, the Flyers would upgrade the "Streit role" with a better, younger, cheaper on the cap, righthanded shooting All-Star defenseman with the same amount of term (two seasons) left on his current contract. Streit could then be dealt, most likely for a decent draft pick asset coming back.

Does taking away your netfront 1st unit power play guy, an offensive D prospect under entry level contract and a potentially high-end 2016 first-round pick really put the Flyers in better shape?

My answer would be no, and I would love to have Shattenkirk in the mix. The cost would just be too high.

I believe that Armstrong/Hitch has to get past the first round to save their jobs this year. I would expect Hitch is looking for a guys who play a gritter game. Certainly the Brower/Oshie trade fits that mantra. I do think Shattenkirk is available and Simmonds definitely fits the profile of a Hitch winger.

If Simmonds is dealt, I think Raffl gets more responsibility. I'm all for getting a more mobile and skilled blueline and giving up some size if need be. I believe the offense will look a whole lot better with dmen who can connect on a pass out of the defensive zone and not having the forward break stride or be able to carry the puck through the neutral zone and gain the blueline himself. If I recall correctly, UND really had some mobile guys on the blueline in the second half of Hakstol's tenure.

It seems unlikely the Blues trade Shattenkirk this offseason. There is no need to do so. But even if they did, it would come at a prohibitively high cost.

For argument's sake, let's say the Flyers were told Shattenkirk was available for Simmonds, Gostisbehere and a 2016 first-round pick. For that very high cost, the Flyers would upgrade the "Streit role" with a better, younger, cheaper on the cap, righthanded shooting All-Star defenseman with the same amount of term (two seasons) left on his current contract. Streit could then be dealt, most likely for a decent draft pick asset coming back.

Does taking away your netfront 1st unit power play guy, an offensive D prospect under entry level contract and a potentially high-end 2016 first-round pick really put the Flyers in better shape?

My answer would be no, and I would love to have Shattenkirk in the mix. The cost would just be too high.
- bmeltzer

It seems unlikely the Blues trade Shattenkirk this offseason. There is no need to do so. But even if they did, it would come at a prohibitively high cost.

For argument's sake, let's say the Flyers were told Shattenkirk was available for Simmonds, Gostisbehere and a 2016 first-round pick. For that very high cost, the Flyers would upgrade the "Streit role" with a better, younger, cheaper on the cap, righthanded shooting All-Star defenseman with the same amount of term (two seasons) left on his current contract. Streit could then be dealt, most likely for a decent draft pick asset coming back.

Does taking away your netfront 1st unit power play guy, an offensive D prospect under entry level contract and a potentially high-end 2016 first-round pick really put the Flyers in better shape?

My answer would be no, and I would love to have Shattenkirk in the mix. The cost would just be too high.
- bmeltzer

Absolutely agree Bill. Shattenkirk is a real good player, but he's not that true #1 stud that you pay that high price for that elevates the team.

That's the thing. I don't think Simmonds alone gets that deal done. With Simmonds you're probably still talking a 1st and maybe as much as Laughton.
- hereticpride

Absolutely, if the price is much higher, then no, you don't make the trade. If it's Simmonds, Laughton or Gostisbehere and a 1st, I'm asking for more than Shattenkirk. Simple as that.

Also, I said as much in the first post that I speculated what it might take. Not saying Shattenkirk at all costs. Never was.

Absolutely, if the price is much higher, then no, you don't make the trade. If it's Simmonds, Laughton or Gostisbehere and a 1st, I'm asking for more than Shattenkirk. Simple as that.

Also, I said as much in the first post that I speculated what it might take. Not saying Shattenkirk at all costs. Never was.
- Jsaquella

Doug Armstrong has certainly made some questionable trades (in fairness all GMs have), so the price to Shattenkirk may not be as steep considering I have to believe another collapse in the playoffs, he is finished.

Doug Armstrong has certainly made some questionable trades (in fairness all GMs have), so the price to Shattenkirk may not be as steep considering I have to believe another collapse in the playoffs, he is finished.
- ravishingone

I'd also be a bit stunned if Hextall would make a bad value deal involving youth and pick assets.

I'm confident that Ron Hextall would recognize that a deal for Shattenkirk for Simmonds, Gostisbehere, and a first round pick would be a bad deal for the Flyers, regardless of who the throw in would be.

I'd also be a bit stunned if Hextall would make a bad value deal involving youth and pick assets.
- Jsaquella

What's interesting to me is that the odds favor at most only 3 of the 4 defensive prospects are going to do anything of substance at the NHL level. Right now, at least one if not more out of Provorov, Sanheim, Morin, and Hagg's status will never be higher then it is right now. I'm not smart enough to be able to forecast which prospect will end up having the worst career of the four.

However, I can Hexy trading young players to acquire another young player.

I'm confident that Ron Hextall would recognize that a deal for Shattenkirk for Simmonds, Gostisbehere, and a first round pick would be a bad deal for the Flyers, regardless of who the throw in would be.
- MJL

I hope so. Simmer is a stud.

AMac and CMac

BSchenn + Streit for Shattenkirk would be my offer if he was really on the table. St Louis get a young 45 point forward and an old 50 point dman who can help them win a playoff round or two before the GM gets fired.

I would definitely not trade Simmonds + Ghost + 1st for him, and then be stuck trying to deal Streit to a contender for a pick and a prospect. There's not that many contending teams with the cap room and the assets to spare right now.

What's interesting to me is that the odds favor at most only 3 of the 4 defensive prospects are going to do anything of substance at the NHL level. Right now, at least one if not more out of Provorov, Sanheim, Morin, and Hagg's status will never be higher then it is right now. I'm not smart enough to be able to forecast which prospect will end up having the worst career of the four.

However, I can Hexy trading young players to acquire another young player.
- ravishingone

It's possible. Hextall has said he's not adverse to trading picks or prospects in the right deal. I mentioned Simmonds because if I was the Blues, he's the kind of guy I'd want if I was trading Shattenkirk.

The Blues don't seem to be looking at a rebuild, so who knows if prospects and picks are enough.

BSchenn + Streit for Shattenkirk would be my offer if he was really on the table. St Louis get a young 45 point forward and an old 50 point dman who can help them win a playoff round or two before the GM gets fired.

I would definitely not trade Simmonds + Ghost + 1st for him, and then be stuck trying to deal Streit to a contender for a pick and a prospect. There's not that many contending teams with the cap room and the assets to spare right now.
- Feanor

That would obviously be a better deal for the Flyers. Not sure the Blues would have any interest in that, but obviously it's more palatable to keep the better player signed for a longer term and get great value for the 37 year old guy.

Oh, FWIW, the name I suggested as a "throw in" is actually a pretty talented young prospect winger, who scored 13 goals in 54 games with the Blues as a rookie.

Reminds me of when rumors leaked of the Flyers trading Carter for a package of Voracek and picks was trashed as "not enough"...that tune changed soon enough-and unsurprisingly so.

The term thrown in , in the context of the trade scenario offered, describes an added player that is offered in the deal to try and somehow sway the value of the deal. It failed to do so, in my opinion, which is why I labeled the player a throw in. Talented or not, 13 goals not withstanding, it's a bad deal for the Flyers in my opinion. Jeff Carter doesn't have anything to do with the proposed deal. Multiple sources have offered the opinion that the proposed deal is a bad deal for the Flyers. Maybe that just has to be accepted, rather than deflecting away from the actual subject. I'd rather talk about the actual subject, rather then who is giving the opinions, FWIW.

That would obviously be a better deal for the Flyers. Not sure the Blues would have any interest in that, but obviously it's more palatable to keep the better player signed for a longer term and get great value for the 37 year old guy.
- Jsaquella

Flyers could take back Ott as a cap dump and include a 2nd rounder if necessary. I think it would be better value than they got for Oshie.

Flyers could take back Ott as a cap dump and include a 2nd rounder if necessary. I think it would be better value than they got for Oshie.
- Feanor

I agree with you there. Of course a 26 year old top pair defenseman generally has more value than a 28 year old forward who has come up small the last couple of playoffs...especially when the D man has two more reasonably priced seasons on his deal and the winger is a pending FA

Funny, I didn't mention anyone specifically when I mention the reaction to the initial Carter rumors...guess somebody cares way too much about my opinions.

Funny, I didn't mention anyone specifically when I mention the reaction to the initial Carter rumors...guess somebody cares way too much about my opinions.
- Jsaquella

I care about you jsaq

Let's just flip a 2nd and NA-K for Barbashev and call it a night.

any of the old guys remember what the trade rumor was for gagne to the Bruins the year before he was a rookie?

any of the old guys remember what the trade rumor was for gagne to the Bruins the year before he was a rookie?
- nails

i would try to butter them up a little more nicely

i would try to butter them up a little more nicely
- -davies-

So jack or Jim works better than butter?