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ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 4 @ 3:13 PM ET
He'd work, too
- Jsaquella


Just sayin
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jul 4 @ 3:13 PM ET


No interest in anything revolving around the Rangers.

Flyers....eh it would have to be Giroux if it involves Kirk. We'd obviously be adding significantly.

Shattenkirk+Backes+Barbashev/Fabbri

For

Giroux+defenseman?

From a Blues fan
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 4 @ 3:13 PM ET
Fine with me. MDZ is older and costs more.
- Jsaquella


Yeah I'd like to see Morin, Sanheim, & Provorov grow here
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 4 @ 3:16 PM ET
No interest in anything revolving around the Rangers.

Flyers....eh it would have to be Giroux if it involves Kirk. We'd obviously be adding significantly.

Shattenkirk+Backes+Barbashev/Fabbri

For

Giroux+defenseman?

From a Blues fan

- Winning


No. You want Giroux, it starts with Pietrangelo and gets higher.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 3:18 PM ET
Flyers would only be in on that to drive the cost of up for the Rags.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 4 @ 3:19 PM ET
Flyers would only be in on that to drive the cost of up for the Rags.
- hereticpride


Flyers should be in on it to land a good defenseman at a prime age on a workable contract.

But not giving up Giroux or Voracek.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jul 4 @ 3:24 PM ET
Rather trade Schenn then Simmonds
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jul 4 @ 3:25 PM ET
No. You want Giroux, it starts with Pietrangelo and gets higher.
- Jsaquella



Agree.. But I would not want to trade 28.
I also would not be trading Simmonds for a deal including Shattenkirk. b Schenn, Streit, plus a first
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 3:34 PM ET
Agree.. But I would not want to trade 28.
I also would not be trading Simmonds for a deal including Shattenkirk. b Schenn, Streit, plus a first

- 3flyerkids


Yep. Simmonds is too good of a contract to give up. Where else do you replace 25+ goals for under $4 million. Plus all the other great stuff he does and he's only 26.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jul 4 @ 3:39 PM ET
Yep. Simmonds is too good of a contract to give up. Where else do you replace 25+ goals for under $4 million. Plus all the other great stuff he does and he's only 26.
- moylander


Contract is amazing, ouffensive output is solid and he is a tough SOB.
A perfect Flyer
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 4 @ 3:44 PM ET
Rather trade Schenn then Simmonds
- Winning


Sure, but the other team is more likely to want Simmonds. If they could do Schenn, MDZ and a 2nd, sure, it'd be more attractive to the Flyers than dealing Simmonds
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jul 4 @ 3:48 PM ET
Sure, but the other team is more likely to want Simmonds. If they could do Schenn, MDZ and a 2nd, sure, it'd be more attractive to the Flyers than dealing Simmonds
- Jsaquella

Flyers lose alot of tougness if they trade Simmonds
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jul 4 @ 3:51 PM ET
Sure, but the other team is more likely to want Simmonds. If they could do Schenn, MDZ and a 2nd, sure, it'd be more attractive to the Flyers than dealing Simmonds
- Jsaquella



I still think a deal is out there for Hextall, and I reallywpuld not be suprised to see major pieces involved
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 4:34 PM ET
Flyers should be in on it to land a good defenseman at a prime age on a workable contract.

But not giving up Giroux or Voracek.

- Jsaquella

Doesn't make sense to move for a D man like that now after the plan to draft and develop has been in place for a while now.

If some combo of the Schenns, Laughton or Morin could get it done I'd say go for it. But its gonna take Jake or Simmonds just to start negotiating.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 4 @ 4:42 PM ET
YOU WILL NEVER TAKE SIMMONDS FROM ME!! NEVER!!!!!!
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 4 @ 4:43 PM ET
YOU WILL NEVER TAKE SIMMONDS FROM ME!! NEVER!!!!!!
- SuperSchennBros

jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 4 @ 4:48 PM ET
I am being un American today and having a huge tray of Chick Filet nuggets for dinner. Too lazy.

Slow news day with the holiday weekend I guess.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 4 @ 5:19 PM ET
Doesn't make sense to move for a D man like that now after the plan to draft and develop has been in place for a while now.

If some combo of the Schenns, Laughton or Morin could get it done I'd say go for it. But its gonna take Jake or Simmonds just to start negotiating.

- hereticpride


It doesn't? Plug in a ready to go, relatively young top pair or even legit number one defenseman doesn't make sense?

Much as I like Simmonds, if he's the price, I trade him for Shattenkirk in a heartbeat
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 4 @ 5:23 PM ET
It doesn't? Plug in a ready to go, relatively young top pair or even legit number one defenseman doesn't make sense?

Much as I like Simmonds, if he's the price, I trade him for Shattenkirk in a heartbeat

- Jsaquella

Absolutely
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 4 @ 5:25 PM ET
It doesn't? Plug in a ready to go, relatively young top pair or even legit number one defenseman doesn't make sense?

Much as I like Simmonds, if he's the price, I trade him for Shattenkirk in a heartbeat

- Jsaquella


That's when drafting a Lawson Crouse would come in hand.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 4 @ 5:30 PM ET
Yeah I'd like to see Morin, Sanheim, & Provorov grow here
- ob18




Same here, I like Shattenkirk, but I'm not going to pay that kind of package for him. He's pretty good, but is not on that level where I would make that deal. No way would I give up a top winger, top prospect, and a first round pick for Shattenkirk. That's a bad deal in my opinion. As much as I would like to have Shattenkirk. He's a good offensive #2 defenseman, and not a true #1 in my opinion.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 4 @ 5:33 PM ET
I kid you not I have this exact same photo on my iPhone that I took. I went to that game and was behind the Isles bench and those two were chatting and laughing for a good 5-10 minutes before and after game
- arichardson22


Sounds like Jake is here to stay.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 4 @ 5:34 PM ET
Same here, I like Shattenkirk, but I'm not going to pay that kind of package for him. He's pretty good, but is not on that level where I would make that deal. No way would I give up a top winger, top prospect, and a first round pick for Shattenkirk. That's a bad deal in my opinion. As much as I would like to have Shattenkirk. He's a good offensive #2 defenseman, and not a true #1 in my opinion.
- MJL


I consider all options....but we have really 1 power forward who plays the role very well. In looking at any move it's important to ask how much better does it make the team. It may help to an extent but now you'd open up a big hole in a top 6 role with no ready replacement.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 4 @ 5:35 PM ET
Doesn't make sense to move for a D man like that now after the plan to draft and develop has been in place for a while now.

If some combo of the Schenns, Laughton or Morin could get it done I'd say go for it. But its gonna take Jake or Simmonds just to start negotiating.

- hereticpride



I agree, to give up that package, has to be a better player than Shatenkirk is.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 4 @ 5:37 PM ET
It doesn't? Plug in a ready to go, relatively young top pair or even legit number one defenseman doesn't make sense?

Much as I like Simmonds, if he's the price, I trade him for Shattenkirk in a heartbeat

- Jsaquella

That's the thing. I don't think Simmonds alone gets that deal done. With Simmonds you're probably still talking a 1st and maybe as much as Laughton.
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