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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 2 @ 2:33 PM ET
Probably when the Phantoms won the Calder Cup w/ Richie, Sharp, Carts, Umby, Seidenberg, Nitty, Pitkanen, RANDY JONES etc.
- Tomahawk


That team never recovered from losing Frank Bialowas.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 2 @ 2:33 PM ET
Cousins is no longer a prospect. He will likely be attending rookie camp.
- jmatchett383


Yeah, but he was drafted in 2012 and a slew of other 2012 draftees -- Laughton, Stolarz, Ghost, Willcox -- will be there again.

Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 2 @ 2:34 PM ET
Is Michael Parks gonna get signed?
- Feanor


Not looking like it, is it? Had heard rumor (never confirmed) that he was offered an AHL contract but not an ELC.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 2 @ 2:35 PM ET
Probably when the Phantoms won the Calder Cup w/ Richie, Sharp, Carts, Umby, Seidenberg, Nitty, Pitkanen, RANDY JONES etc.
- Tomahawk


2 first round picks in 2003 with Carter and Richards. Wonder how many other times that has happened. Looking through the draft history, it's amazing how few picks the Flyers seem to have year after year (most years).
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 2 @ 2:36 PM ET
It's really amazing how quickly a depleted system can get back on track after a couple of strong drafts with a lot of picks.
- Tomahawk


Seemed like the system was ranked in the bottom 5 for a decade +. Where do you figure they stack up now? Middle of the pack?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 2 @ 2:37 PM ET
Not looking like it, is it? Had heard rumor (never confirmed) that he was offered an AHL contract but not an ELC.
- bmeltzer


His hopes must have gone up when Hakstol got signed, so I feel bad for the kid.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 2 @ 2:37 PM ET
Seemed like the system was ranked in the bottom 5 for a decade +. Where do you figure they stack up now? Middle of the pack?
- PLindbergh31


Yeah, probably middle-third. Still too little depth up front.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jul 2 @ 2:38 PM ET
He retweeted Jim Stark

Forget this hack
penguininnevada
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jul 2 @ 2:42 PM ET
The future is so bright, I gotta wear shades.
- MBFlyerfan

Or a ski mask
penguininnevada
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jul 2 @ 2:44 PM ET
Yeah, but he was drafted in 2012 and a slew of other 2012 draftees -- Laughton, Stolarz, Ghost, Willcox -- will be there again.
- bmeltzer

Solid team for the phantoms
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 2 @ 2:50 PM ET
Probably when the Phantoms won the Calder Cup w/ Richie, Sharp, Carts, Umby, Seidenberg, Nitty, Pitkanen, RANDY JONES etc.
- Tomahawk

Expectations were: Carter was meant to be a number 1 C, Richie a number 2, Pitkanin a number 1-2 D, Umby a 3C, Seidenberg and Jone 4-6 range and I thought Sharp wasn't a top prospect but maybe a third line winger. Sound right? That was a log time ago and if I remember correctly that was a bit better prospect pool then now but not much and certainly the D is more promising now.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 2 @ 2:53 PM ET
That was a log time ago and if I remember correctly that was a bit better prospect pool then now but not much and certainly the D is more promising now.
- coffee junkie


What, wasn't a fan of Frederick Meyer III and Alexander Picard?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 2 @ 2:55 PM ET
What, wasn't a fan of Frederick Meyer III and Alexander Picard?
- Tomahawk


Was it Picard that tied the NHL record for assist in an NHL game by a rookie (5), but they lost 6-5?
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jul 2 @ 2:56 PM ET
Seemed like the system was ranked in the bottom 5 for a decade +. Where do you figure they stack up now? Middle of the pack?
- PLindbergh31


I'd say in the 10 - 15 range.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jul 2 @ 3:02 PM ET
From Jeremy Rutherford chat. Blues beat writer who doesn't get involved in speculation.

Quote:
The Flyers come up because there have been conversations. They need D, so that's why Shattenkirk's name comes up. I think Oshie's name comes up for a few reasons. It seems the Blues have checked with many teams about Oshie and some of those who might have had interest have dropped out. The Flyers seem like a possibility because he could be part of a bigger trade. Also, as we've mentioned previously, the Flyers are now coached by Oshie's former college coach from North Dakota, Dave Hakstol.
Quote:
Without getting into too much speculation, the Blues are talking trade, as I mentioned earlier. Shattenkirk's name has come up, as we mentioned. As we know, the names of a couple of forwards (Oshie, etc.) have already been in the mix. Around the league, it's believed that if the Blues make a deal, it could include multiple household names. I'm not saying Shattenkirk-Oshie, spefically. But the belief is that the Blues are talking about a bigger deal, not a small one.
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I don't believe the Blues will trade Shattenkirk unless it's something that's going to be a benefit. That's the thing, they don't have to trade him. The team's window is open now, and any deal that sets that back next season makes no sense.
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Jul 2 @ 3:08 PM ET
Probably when the Phantoms won the Calder Cup w/ Richie, Sharp, Carts, Umby, Seidenberg, Nitty, Pitkanen, RANDY JONES etc.
- Tomahawk


4 SC champions out of that group- impressive.
penguininnevada
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jul 2 @ 3:09 PM ET
From Jeremy Rutherford chat. Blues beat writer who doesn't get involved in speculation.

Quote:
The Flyers come up because there have been conversations. They need D, so that's why Shattenkirk's name comes up. I think Oshie's name comes up for a few reasons. It seems the Blues have checked with many teams about Oshie and some of those who might have had interest have dropped out. The Flyers seem like a possibility because he could be part of a bigger trade. Also, as we've mentioned previously, the Flyers are now coached by Oshie's former college coach from North Dakota, Dave Hakstol.
Quote:
Without getting into too much speculation, the Blues are talking trade, as I mentioned earlier. Shattenkirk's name has come up, as we mentioned. As we know, the names of a couple of forwards (Oshie, etc.) have already been in the mix. Around the league, it's believed that if the Blues make a deal, it could include multiple household names. I'm not saying Shattenkirk-Oshie, spefically. But the belief is that the Blues are talking about a bigger deal, not a small one.
Quote:
I don't believe the Blues will trade Shattenkirk unless it's something that's going to be a benefit. That's the thing, they don't have to trade him. The team's window is open now, and any deal that sets that back next season makes no sense.

- Winning

csb
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 2 @ 3:11 PM ET
Expectations were: Carter was meant to be a number 1 C, Richie a number 2, Pitkanin a number 1-2 D, Umby a 3C, Seidenberg and Jone 4-6 range and I thought Sharp wasn't a top prospect but maybe a third line winger. Sound right? That was a log time ago and if I remember correctly that was a bit better prospect pool then now but not much and certainly the D is more promising now.
- coffee junkie


Patrick Sharp was a 3rd round pick. It's not like he was some undrafted free agent.

He was a pretty good college player in a pretty good program.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jul 2 @ 3:17 PM ET
Helene Elliott ‏@helenenothelen 13s14 seconds ago

Helene Elliott retweeted Nathan Fenno

Yup. Terminated deal of a guy who has not been charged w/anything, allowed Voynov to skate w/them
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 2 @ 3:21 PM ET
Voynov 90 days in prison.. now what ?
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 2 @ 3:25 PM ET
Yeah, but he was drafted in 2012 and a slew of other 2012 draftees -- Laughton, Stolarz, Ghost, Willcox -- will be there again.
- bmeltzer


My thought on a previous discussion I proposed of hextall possibly favoring cousins over laughton. I at the time didn't have a ton of evidence to support it other than laughton continually being talked of as a trade chip. I wondered if cousins absence might mean to hextall cousins is the more polished prospect today. If the organization felt that way you could see laughton moved this year or next for a need versus just lining up 6 centers. B schenn appears by all means to be our 3c this year, will laughton ever score 47 points in nhl like schenn already has ?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 2 @ 3:25 PM ET
Voynov 90 days in prison.. now what ?
- Tfaehner


Probably out before the season starts. Maybe the prison has a rink?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 2 @ 3:26 PM ET
Hakstol interview

http://www.broadstreethoc...ol-interview-coach-flyers
28Girouxsalem28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Amherst, NY
Joined: 08.09.2013

Jul 2 @ 3:26 PM ET
Is there a feasible trade where st Louis and philly could make a trade for tarasenko and shattenkirk without giving up g voracek and simmonds?
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 2 @ 3:27 PM ET
Is there a feasible trade where st Louis and philly could make a trade for tarasenko and shattenkirk without giving up g voracek and simmonds?
- 28Girouxsalem28



Yeah mason laughton coots provorov morin sanheim and our next 2 first rounders
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