Jokinen wasn't a listless malcontent, it's apples and oranges.
- hardnosed

unlike some people in here....

Perron is also a guy not afraid to play in the dirty areas. Depending on who they get, they may want to take a look at what Geno and Perron can do together when both are healthy.
- Tojo.

I haven't seen it from Perron. He spent the last couple of months last year floating around uselessly.

I haven't seen it from Perron. He spent the last couple of months last year floating around uselessly.
- hardnosed

Ok Eeyore... what are your moves? What do the Pens do tomorrow in hardnosed world?!?

Semin has 62 goals in his last 243 games.

He's useless trash, and would be a negative influence on the team with his pansy-emo attitude.
- hardnosed

Uhm....that's a 20 goal pace.

The only legitimate question about Semin's ability to produce is if the wrist injury is permanently debilitating, which they'll check with his physical. Other than that, whether you like him or not, he produces.

I haven't seen it from Perron. He spent the last couple of months last year floating around uselessly.
- hardnosed

Exactly. Plus why give the two best wingers to Sid? We'd be better off splitting it between Sid and Geno.

Horny - Sid is a natural

Saad - Geno has everything to work.

Uhm....that's a 20 goal pace.
- Tojo.

Which is not what the Penguins should be looking for to make sure that Crosby and Malkin have the support they need to succeed in the playoffs. They've got a bunch of guys capable of putting up 20 goals.

The return for Jones shows how bad Sather messed up the Cam Talbot trade......

I haven't seen it from Perron. He spent the last couple of months last year floating around uselessly.
- hardnosed

Did you watch him at all in Edmonton? Did you see all the times players were going after him behind the play because of what he was doing? Now on a wing with Hornqvist, he wasn't there as much, but that's how he's played for years.

My fear is that JR will grab him cheap and call it a day. That roster will blow and thats putting too much faith into a project player Semin and a player that has never sniffed NHL hockey (Plat). That could be disastrous or marginally better than last yr.
- sammy87

Still better than overpaying in assets for Skinner, Kessel, or Sharp. Besides, I thought you said the team had no chance next season anyway?

So most deals are dead set already. Hopefully Tikhonov and Semin become Penguins.
- Barnaby36

Pretty much, just need signatures!

And Francis said the same thing.....trend continues...pass
- sammy87

Francis is always very careful in what he says publicly. The guy has been the epitome of class throughout his career as a player and in the front office. When he comes out and says something like this, it catches a person off-guard.

I haven't seen it from Perron. He spent the last couple of months last year floating around uselessly.
- hardnosed

Perron back checked hard 99% of the time he was on the ice

Did you watch him at all in Edmonton? Did you see all the times players were going after him behind the play because of what he was doing? Now on a wing with Hornqvist, he wasn't there as much, but that's how he's played for years.
- Tojo.

He was more pest than grinder. Whatever you want to call it, he was Charmin soft with the Penguins. And he had plenty of time to assert himself with Hornqvist out of the lineup late in the year.

The Perron trade looks awful at this point. First rounder for a 3rd liner. Pretty much what all the Edmonton fans said he was going to be.

Which is not what the Penguins should be looking for to make sure that Crosby and Malkin have the support they need to succeed in the playoffs. They've got a bunch of guys capable of putting up 20 goals.
- hardnosed

They do? Please don't tell me you expect Kunitz, Dupuis, or Sutter to score 20 next year.

Perron back checked hard 99% of the time he was on the ice
- BourbonCounty

No, he didn't. Hornqvist did.

No, he didn't. Hornqvist did.
- hardnosed

They both did. Go back and watch some of the games. You'll be surprised. I always made sure to watch him when he was on the ice especially after he started slumping and people here were claiming that he quit.

They do? Please don't tell me you expect Kunitz, Dupuis, or Sutter to score 20 next year.
- Tojo.

I was just about to say, they only had 1 20+goal scorer last year not named Geno or Sid.......

Still better than overpaying in assets for Skinner, Kessel, or Sharp. Besides, I thought you said the team had no chance next season anyway?
- jfkst1

They don't and semin doesn't change
that. Unless jr pulls a miracle out of his butt.

They do? Please don't tell me you expect Kunitz, Dupuis, or Sutter to score 20 next year.
- Tojo.

Semin had 6 goals in 57 games last year, a blistering pace of 8.63 over an 82 game season.

Nick Spaling was a more productive goal scorer.

They both did. Go back and watch some of the games. You'll be surprised. I always made sure to watch him when he was on the ice especially after he started slumping and people here were claiming that he quit.
- BourbonCounty

It was always noticeable to me how much harder Hornqvist and Kunitz worked compared to Perron. But I'll acquiesce due to boredom with the topic.

They don't and semin doesn't change
that. Unless jr pulls a miracle out of his butt.
- sammy87

Which leaves the team in an infinitely better position to contend in the future than it would if they traded for Skinner/Kessel/Sharp. Like I said, I'm fine with low risk moves. I do hope you realize that some of you guys are going to have zero credibility if Semin comes in and contributes.

Semin had 6 goals in 57 games last year, a blistering pace of 8.63 over an 82 game season.

Nick Spaling was a more productive goal scorer.
- hardnosed

Why does this board want a guy
With charactor issues and a history of questions on his commitment?

I was just about to say, they only had 1 20+goal scorer last year not named Geno or Sid.......
- cap1681

And Dupuis and Kunitz were obviously battling their own health issues. If healthy, there's no reason to believe Dupuis can't score 20 again, or Kunitz can't score 30.

At least they'll try.

Why does this board want a guy
With charactor issues and a history of questions on his commitment?
- sammy87

He's got fancy charts.

Something I just saw on Frasen

@steveburtch Cody Franson is Top 20 in hits for 3 years in a row, top 20 in points per 60, top 20 in possession impact... but let's trust that eye test.