RJ Umberger C 4,600,000
Vincent Lecavalier C 4,500,000
Andrew MacDonald D 5,000,000
Luke Schenn D 3,600,000
Sam Gagner C 3,200,000


20.9 million in dead weight
- Winning

Well, actually 4.5 million in dead weight, the rest are just overpaid for what they are.

If they were under contract for:
Umberger 2 million
AMac 4 million
L Schenn 2 million
Gagner 2.5 million

I'd be fine with that, especially when 2 of the 4 are going into the last year of their deals.

I'd say a buck 90
- Streit2ThePoint

Is that with our without including Buff?!?!?!?

You might be right but Ryan White is also younger and a guy who wasn't a regular with the Montreal Canadiens. He was working his way into the line up I believe, the same way Radko Gudas has been for the Lightning up until last season. That's how the NHL works for maybe less talented players.
- SuperSchennBros

Honestly, I think their is little difference between the 2. Bellemare skates a little better and White is more physical, that's about it. Both are solid 4th line role players.

Is that with our without including Buff?!?!?!?
- FlyersFirst

and penner.
he's still "active"

The last part wasn't directed at you, sorry if it came off that way.

Just hear a lot of people on the internet assuming the guy's the #7. He's probably a more effective defender than half the guys in the stable.
- Tomahawk

Plus, if we feel that we need in-game penalty kill practice, just put him out there against guys with average to above-average speed and watch the interference penalties accumulate.

Also this debate on whether or not we should have signed Bellemare so quickly isn't a White vs. Bellemare thing for me. We also Scott Laughton who I believe at the least can do what Bellemare does. I don't have "hatred" for Nick Schultz but we also have Samuel Morin that I'd like to open some space for to see what he can do.
- SuperSchennBros

To me, Bellemare > White based on speed/skill/versatility.

Laughton, he'll probably get used in a 4th-line role at some point, but ideally you don't want him there for long.

Agree on Schultz. Guy had his moments last season, and he's a surefire upgrade over some of the lead-foots and lightweights on the team in the dzone... but I would have rather passed and waited to see how the roster looks in late September before committing to another vet.

Any word on Richards? Hockeybuzz seems to be ignoring the whole situation.
- MBFlyerfan

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...r-crossing-235356704.html

Gudas was playing top-4 minutes in 2013-14, in a shut down role (with Carle). Top opponents against in terms of ice time? Kessel, Datsyuk, Bozak, JvR, E Karlsson.

No idea how he's earned this rep around here as a fringe player. Guy's pretty decent.
- Tomahawk

Yup, I'll happily take him over Luke Schenn and being a quarter of the cap hit is just a bonus.

Honestly, I think their is little difference between the 2. Bellemare skates a little better and White is more physical, that's about it. Both are solid 4th line role players.
- BiggE

Agreed.

and penner.
he's still "active"
- nails

Yup, he's actively lining up at Golden Corral this very moment.

I've seen Mark Recchi and Danny Briere get into fights. The only reason why I know who Farnham is, is because he fought Bellemare.
- SuperSchennBros

He's the pens rinaldo. And bellemare beat him. For someone who lacks toughness as you say. That'd be tough. Earlier in the year games 1-10 bellemare played with more a physical edge than slowed down on the physicality. Maybe it was coaching maybe his body couldn't take it. Who knows. But as a 4th liner with upside I don't hate him.

Also as bill pointed out in his last post. Laughton lost confidence. I don't him with mediocre 4th liners. I'd rather him play all situations top line 100 point season in the ahl. I'm closer to Holland view on prospects I'd rather them to be over ready than under ready. Our city wants us good again so badly. I'd rather be patient and make sure these guys come in and have impacts. Laughton next year or as a call up I like a whole lot more. Keep gagner a year laughton can take over next.

Why do I have to list 7 out of 13?
- SuperSchennBros

I guess you only need to list 6 1/2 seasons total, technically.

Schultz played well last season but I'm not confident that he'll hold up. He's had as many bad seasons as he has good in his career.
- SuperSchennBros

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/pierre-mcguire-indicates-mike-richards-contract-breach-occurred-at-border-crossing-235356704.html
- missingmike

gee, so informative.

To me, Bellemare > White based on speed/skill/versatility.

Laughton, he'll probably get used in a 4th-line role at some point, but ideally you don't want him there for long.

Agree on Schultz. Guy had his moments last season, and he's a surefire upgrade over some of the lead-foots and lightweights on the team in the dzone... but I would have rather passed and waited to see how the roster looks in late September before committing to another vet.
- Tomahawk

If the 4th line isn't built on Rinaldo and another guy with no skills, I'd have no issue with Laughton cutting his teeth there. Get him centering VandeVelde and Bellemare, and I think that gives you a solid 4th line

Slide him in to the top 9 when injuries hit and give him PP & PK time her and there.

Yup, I'll happily take him over Luke Schenn and being a quarter of the cap hit is just a bonus.
- BiggE

I think him and manning rotate as our 6th man. Manning for the quicker teams gudas for the tougher teams.

Is that with our without including Buff?!?!?!?
- FlyersFirst

Just throwing a number out there. I guess 200-210ish would be more realistic after doing a quick looksie (Ovechkin at 230 lbs )

To me, Bellemare > White based on speed/skill/versatility.

Laughton, he'll probably get used in a 4th-line role at some point, but ideally you don't want him there for long.

Agree on Schultz. Guy had his moments last season, and he's a surefire upgrade over some of the lead-foots and lightweights on the team in the dzone... but I would have rather passed and waited to see how the roster looks in late September before committing to another vet.
- Tomahawk

I agree with all of this. I think you can debate Laughton starting in a 4th line role because Patrick Sharp did it with us and he turned out fine. This might not be the best example because many believe we mishandled Sharp but he was a 4th line center for us for a season or two.

Bellamare has been signed for a while.

Vandevelde signed today. Vandevelde is less effective than White. White should have been a higher priority IMO.

Bellamare>White>VV

If the 4th line isn't built on Rinaldo and another guy with no skills, I'd have no issue with Laughton cutting his teeth there. Get him centering VandeVelde and Bellemare, and I think that gives you a solid 4th line

Slide him in to the top 9 when injuries hit and give him PP & PK time her and there.
- Jsaquella

One thing I don't see anyone talk about is how clutch white was in the face off circle. He often took face offs over anyone not named g or coots than shifted to wing. That's huge for defensive starts etc. Plus he fights. He can go to the box over losing a guy like simmonds for 5 minutes.

Bellamare has been signed for a while.

Vandevelde signed today. Vandevelde is less effective than White. White should have been a higher priority IMO.

Bellamare>White>VV
- acd513

Maybe they're having trouble signing White and VdV was more negotiable.

Crazy talk, I know.

I guess you only need to list 6 1/2 seasons total, technically.
- jmatchett383

Oops! I wasn't aware he was the type of species that took everything people say so literal.

Maybe they're having trouble signing White and VdV was more negotiable.

Crazy talk, I know.
- jmatchett383

I thought Hextall just gave them a piece of paper and said sign here and that was that

One thing I don't see anyone talk about is how clutch white was in the face off circle. He often took face offs over anyone not named g or coots than shifted to wing. That's huge for defensive starts etc. Plus he fights. He can go to the box over losing a guy like simmonds for 5 minutes.
- Tfaehner

He's basically a slower Rinaldo with a bit more offensive skill and a better understanding of in-game situations. If they lose him, I won't be shedding tears. If they keep him, that's fine.

If the 4th line isn't built on Rinaldo and another guy with no skills, I'd have no issue with Laughton cutting his teeth there. Get him centering VandeVelde and Bellemare, and I think that gives you a solid 4th line

Slide him in to the top 9 when injuries hit and give him PP & PK time her and there.
- Jsaquella

This seems fair.

Just throwing a number out there. I guess 200-210ish would be more realistic after doing a quick looksie (Ovechkin at 230 lbs )
- Streit2ThePoint

http://www.pensionplanpup...-by-height-weight-and-age

And how the players stack up

The average NHLer is 73.33" (6' 1 1/3") tall, weighs 204.42 lbs, and is 27.36 years old.
The average forward is 72.93" (6' 1") tall, weighs 202.4 lbs, and is 27.1 years old.
The average defenseman is 73.87" (6' 1 7/8") tall, weighs 209.66 lbs, and is 27.49 years old.
The average goalie is 73.94" (6' 2") tall, weighs, 198.39 lbs, and is 28.54 years old.