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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 2:25 PM ET
Wow... and for two years people have been mad at me for saying we should have taken him in the draft instead of Couturier.

That said... I'm not trading Laughton, Sanheim and Provorov for Dougie Hamilton. I think you're getting a bit excited about Hamilton.

- mayorofangrytown



That's also too much for my blood.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 30 @ 2:25 PM ET
I think we are prettty much done.. which is not a bad thing at all.. a few low key signings maybe.. but as of now:

Raffl-G-Voracek
Schenn-Couts-Read
Umberger-Gagner-Simmonds
VV-White/Laughton-Bellemare

Streit-MacDonald?
MDZ-Medvedev (compared to Coburn)
Schenn-Schultz/Gudas

Mason/?
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 30 @ 2:27 PM ET
That's also too much for my blood.
- MJL



No worries -- I totally understand you and MOAT, not even saying that you're wrong or that I disagree with you guys

That's just what I would've paid
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 30 @ 2:27 PM ET
Exactly -- because you could turn right around and recoup some of what you've lost by massaging your roster

I'll stop harping on it, I promise

He's just 22 years old. It's just crazy, what Calgary paid

- AllInForFlyers

So you're doing Laughton, Sanheim and Provorov for Hamilton?

Edit: sorry, saw your response above mine.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 2:27 PM ET
I think we are prettty much done.. which is not a bad thing at all.. a few low key signings maybe.. but as of now:

Raffl-G-Voracek
Schenn-Couts-Read
Umberger-Gagner-Simmonds
VV-White/Laughton-Bellemare

Streit-MacDonald?
MDZ-Medvedev (compared to Coburn)
Schenn-Schultz/Gudas

Mason/?

- jak521



I think with a new coach and a lot of unknowns, I think the last thing I want to do is speculate on who plays with who and where. With that being said, I have doubts that Gagner plays center.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 2:28 PM ET
No worries -- I totally understand you and MOAT, not even saying that you're wrong or that I disagree with you guys

That's just what I would've paid

- AllInForFlyers



Hamilton is a good player, but he's not nearly that good.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 30 @ 2:29 PM ET
So you're doing Laughton, Sanheim and Provorov for Hamilton?
- mayorofangrytown


Yep -- Sanheim would make me blink, but I'd do it
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 30 @ 2:30 PM ET
Yep -- Sanheim would make me blink, but I'd do it
- AllInForFlyers

jesus dude
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jun 30 @ 2:30 PM ET
Yep -- Sanheim would make me blink, but I'd do it
- AllInForFlyers

J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 30 @ 2:31 PM ET
I think with a new coach and a lot of unknowns, I think the last thing I want to do is speculate on who plays with who and where. With that being said, I have doubts that Gagner plays center.
- MJL



I think this is the year we see Couturier and Read separated.

Raffl - Giroux - Voracek
Gagner - Couturier - Schenn
Read - Laughton - Simmonds
Vandevelde - Cousins - Bellemare


Of course subject to change.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 2:34 PM ET
I think this is the year we see Couturier and Read separated.

Raffl - Giroux - Voracek
Gagner - Couturier - Schenn
Read - Laughton - Simmonds
Vandevelde - Cousins - Bellemare


Of course subject to change.

- J35Bacher



I think you want fast 200 foot players at the center position.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 30 @ 2:35 PM ET


Sam Gagner has probably scored more goalies in the shootout with one move, then the Flyers have since the shootout has been in existence.
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jun 30 @ 2:38 PM ET
I think this is the year we see Couturier and Read separated.

Raffl - Giroux - Voracek
Gagner - Couturier - Schenn
Read - Laughton - Simmonds
Vandevelde - Cousins - Bellemare


Of course subject to change.

- J35Bacher


I love how nobody in there mock lineups even considers the possibility that Vinny will be here and be in the lineup.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 30 @ 2:39 PM ET
jesus dude
- 2Real


The difference for me is that it's one thing to tear up Major Junior -- that's great that he is, and I am not taking a single thing from Travis Sanheim, because I sure as hell want that guy to be a monster for the Flyers

But let's really look at Dougie Hamilton for a second. Just look at him

6-5, 215 pounds, RH-shot

Has progressed from 17 minutes per night at 19, to 19 minutes per night at 20, to 21-plus minutes per night on the top pairing, at 21 years old

Point totals have gone from 16 in 42 games as a rookie, to 25 in 64, to 42 in 72

He plays in all situations

He's doing that against men, in the highest caliber league in the world, and he hasn't even hit his physical peak

Again, I'm not fighting -- we're just talking

But I'd pay for that, because he's not being sheltered -- he's doing that against the best, in all situations

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 2:42 PM ET
The difference for me is that it's one thing to tear up Major Junior -- that's great that he is, and I am not taking a single thing from Travis Sanheim, because I sure as hell want that guy to be a monster for the Flyers

But let's really look at Dougie Hamilton for a second. Just look at him

6-5, 215 pounds, RH-shot

Has progressed from 17 minutes per night at 19, to 19 minutes per night at 20, to 21-plus minutes per night on the top pairing, at 21 years old

Point totals have gone from 16 in 42 games as a rookie, to 25 in 64, to 42 in 72

He plays in all situations

He's doing that against men, in the highest caliber league in the world, and he hasn't even hit his physical peak

Again, I'm not fighting -- we're just talking

But I'd pay for that, because he's not being sheltered -- he's doing that against the best, in all situations

- AllInForFlyers



I'd pay for it also, but there are limits.
MatveiDmitrii
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 01.16.2015

Jun 30 @ 2:42 PM ET
Why some of you guys want Simmonds on the 3rd line?
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jun 30 @ 2:42 PM ET


Sam Gagner has probably scored more goalies in the shootout with one move, then the Flyers have since the shootout has been in existence.

- SuperSchennBros


That move is all about the timing of that backhand deke. He's def gonna help with the shootout that's forsure.
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Jun 30 @ 2:43 PM ET
I love how nobody in there mock lineups even considers the possibility that Vinny will be here and be in the lineup.

- nonpoint22

Wishful thinking. We are hoping he wants out as much as we want him out. While it is economically more feasible that he mutually terminates next year, I don't think his ego will allow him to be a healthy scratch for 82 games. Can you imagine sitting upstairs every game and someone gets hurt and they call up someone from Allentown to take the injured persons place.
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jun 30 @ 2:43 PM ET
Why some of you guys want Simmonds on the 3rd line?
- MatveiDmitrii


What's wrong with some scoring depth on the third line??
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 30 @ 2:43 PM ET
Gagner's 19/62 lifetime in the shootout, which is good, but not great. He's pretty close to G, Jake, Simmer and Read in percentage.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...e=shootoutsSkatersAllTime

Hopefully we only have a few SOs all season now OT is 3 on 3.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 30 @ 2:46 PM ET
The difference for me is that it's one thing to tear up Major Junior -- that's great that he is, and I am not taking a single thing from Travis Sanheim, because I sure as hell want that guy to be a monster for the Flyers

But let's really look at Dougie Hamilton for a second. Just look at him

6-5, 215 pounds, RH-shot

Has progressed from 17 minutes per night at 19, to 19 minutes per night at 20, to 21-plus minutes per night on the top pairing, at 21 years old

Point totals have gone from 16 in 42 games as a rookie, to 25 in 64, to 42 in 72

He plays in all situations

He's doing that against men, in the highest caliber league in the world, and he hasn't even hit his physical peak

Again, I'm not fighting -- we're just talking

But I'd pay for that, because he's not being sheltered -- he's doing that against the best, in all situations

- AllInForFlyers

For me, and in my perspective, I can't trade Sanheim and Provorov for Hamilton. Yes to all the things you say and given that I really like Hamilton. I don't have a negative thing to say about him.

I can't trade 2 players who I think may be his equal.

If it was the 7th and Sanheim, not knowing Provorov would be at 7 you would probably make me take a long walk around the block with my cell phone in my hand.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 30 @ 2:48 PM ET
For me, and in my perspective, I can't trade Sanheim and Provorov for Hamilton. Yes to all the things you say and given that I really like Hamilton. I don't have a negative thing to say about him.

I can't trade 2 players who I think may be his equal.

If it was the 7th and Sanheim, not knowing Provorov would be at 7 you would probably make me take a long walk around the block with my cell phone in my hand.

- mayorofangrytown


Ha! No worries -- I am enjoying the conversation; you and MJL aren't being nasty, so it's fun to talk about
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jun 30 @ 2:48 PM ET
boston... just stop! now you trade jones? just stop, I cant even look at any updates now for fear of you topping each stupid move with another. someones gotta step in there at some point don't they? javascript:emoticon('')
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 30 @ 2:50 PM ET
Best offers for Dougie Hamilton: GO

(There are no wrong answers; just a slower day at work and I am just curious)
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 30 @ 2:50 PM ET


Sam Gagner has probably scored more goalies in the shootout with one move, then the Flyers have since the shootout has been in existence.

- SuperSchennBros


So what? With the 3-on-3 this year he'll never get to show it
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