The decision to trade Hamilton by itself is very questionable. With the premium on good defenseman in the league today, to not get more then they did, is really a bad deal.
- MJL

I think the weird part was a report of other GMs not even knowing he was available. If your moving someone like him don't you owe it to your team to try and maximize the best return possible.

Oh, by all means, it's still net negative because the Hamilton deal is so damn brutal, but I can acknowledge that cashing in Martin Jones for that return is pretty good
- AllInForFlyers

I thought their whole weekend was just a huge mixed message. Lucic is gone. So they're rebuilding.

No, wait. Hamilton is gone. If they were rebuilding who on that roster should you be building around? Maybe a young top pairing defensemen?

Maybe they're swinging the picks for Hamifin? Nope didn't even offer the picks according to AZ.

How many times can they trade away their top young prospects and have it be about the prospects bad attitude or them not be a Bruins type player? Kessel, Seguin, Hamilton...

Once is on them, twice raises an eyebrow, the third time they might want to start examining their organization and what's going on in Boston.

I think the weird part was a report of other GMs not even knowing he was available. If your moving someone like him don't you owe it to your team to try and maximize the best return possible.
- J35Bacher

I left work at 2pm on Friday and I knew Hamilton was in play. Do you think there was a GM who didn't know before the trade went down?

I left work at 2pm on Friday and I knew Hamilton was in play. Do you think there was a GM who didn't know before the trade went down?
- mayorofangrytown

Just going by what was reported. Maybe you have better sources then some.


James MirtleVerified account ‏@mirtle
Some teams didn't even seem aware Hamilton was being aggressively shopped today. Bruins auction process for a player this good was flawed.

I think the weird part was a report of other GMs not even knowing he was available. If your moving someone like him don't you owe it to your team to try and maximize the best return possible.
- J35Bacher

Exactly, if that is true. A young quality NHL established defenseman is arguably the single most valuable player asset in all of hockey. How do you not shop him to every team in the league. Inter conference or division trading be dammed. Don't accept the best deal on the table just because it's the day before the draft. Hold a league wide auction, and get a kings ransom.

Ek has us going after Justin Williams.

Exactly, if that is true. A young quality NHL established defenseman is arguably the single most valuable player asset in all of hockey. How do you not shop him to every team in the league. Inter conference or division trading be dammed. Don't accept the best deal on the table just because it's the day before the draft. Hold a league wide auction, and get a kings ransom.
- MJL

Yeah.

They had the seemingly golden ticket. I either get a ransom or I let someone OS. Then I either match or take all the picks.

Just going by what was reported. Maybe you have better sources then some.


James MirtleVerified account ‏@mirtle
Some teams didn't even seem aware Hamilton was being aggressively shopped today. Bruins auction process for a player this good was flawed.
- J35Bacher

All I have is streaming radio and the internet. Maybe the key phrase was "aggressively shopped". I would guess that Sweeney wasn't shopping him heavily in the Eastern Conference. All the GMs knew he was in play, they may not have known Sweeney wanted to turn the deal prior to the draft.

All I have is streaming radio and the internet. Maybe the key phrase was "aggressively shopped". I would guess that Sweeney wasn't shopping him heavily in the Eastern Conference. All the GMs knew he was in play, they may not have known Sweeney wanted to turn the deal prior to the draft.
- mayorofangrytown

Do you think the Flyers should've ponied up the 7th overall pick for Hamilton?

All I have is streaming radio and the internet. Maybe the key phrase was "aggressively shopped". I would guess that Sweeney wasn't shopping him heavily in the Eastern Conference. All the GMs knew he was in play, they may not have known Sweeney wanted to turn the deal prior to the draft.
- mayorofangrytown

A player like that I don't think you limit yourself to just the Western conference. You need to get everyone involved and do what's best for your franchise.

Ek has us going after Justin Williams.
- hereticpride

I am assuming because of his affinity for the Philly area. Would make sense from that standpoint

Yeah.

They had the seemingly golden ticket. I either get a ransom or I let someone OS. Then I either match or take all the picks.
- J35Bacher

Sweeney did just a tad better then the offer sheet return. If I was Boston, I just sign him. There are plenty of players on their roster less important than Hamilton and Lucic was already gone so the space was there.

His final price was exceedingly low IMO.

Interesting to see what Calgary does.

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I wouldn't sign anyone. Maybe a depth scoring forward like notes who got waived Just go with it and take the cap space

Just going by what was reported. Maybe you have better sources then some.


James MirtleVerified account ‏@mirtle
Some teams didn't even seem aware Hamilton was being aggressively shopped today. Bruins auction process for a player this good was flawed.
- J35Bacher

Just because you don't "seem" aware of something doesn't mean you aren't aware. You could be aware but be unable to do anything about it; or you might not care about it.

That said, I agree with the majority in thinking that they could've gotten a lot more for him than they did.

Do you think the Flyers should've ponied up the 7th overall pick for Hamilton?
- MJL

Bruins got 15th overall and two second rounders.


7, Laughton and 61.

That's about what Boston got from Calgary

I am assuming because of his affinity for the Philly area. Would make sense from that standpoint
- jak521

Hometown discount then we'll talk

Do you think the Flyers should've ponied up the 7th overall pick for Hamilton?
- MJL

No. I don't think so. Especially in retrospect with Provorov falling to us.

Apparently Sweeney wanted the 3rd from AZ plus for Hamilton so that would definitely put me in the NO category.

Bruins got 15th overall and two second rounders.


7, Laughton and 61.

That's about what Boston got from Calgary
- J35Bacher

7, Laughton, 61 >>>> 15, 45, 52

Sweeney did just a tad better then the offer sheet return. If I was Boston, I just sign him. There are plenty of players on their roster less important than Hamilton and Lucic was already gone so the space was there.

His final price was exceedingly low IMO.

Interesting to see what Calgary does.
- mayorofangrytown

Hamilton doesn't have to sign an OS if he doesn't like it. If he wanted his price it would have been the type to land 4 first rounders.

Boston got a 1st and two 2nds for a defenseman every team covets. A number one franchise guy.

A player like that I don't think you limit yourself to just the Western conference. You need to get everyone involved and do what's best for your franchise.
- J35Bacher

I said maybe he did. There were rumours he didn't want to trade him within the East. Boston did the same thing with Seguin so I wouldn't call it unfounded.

I couldn't possibly defend that nor would I even try.

The decision to trade Hamilton by itself is very questionable. With the premium on good defenseman in the league today, to not get more then they did, is really a bad deal.
- MJL

What makes it infuriating to me is that COULDN'T have been the best offer they would have gotten. It can't have been. They haven't even tried to pretend that was the best offer they could have gotten.

When I think about how hard the Flyers have pursued defensemen like Hamilton, and I see what Calgary paid...No. 15 overall and two seconds.

That's nothing. That is nothing, for a 22-year-old, right-shot defenseman with his physical skills and physical attributes, who cracked 10 goals and 40 points.

No. 15 and two seconds is NOTHING -- it's just crazy

With all of today's news, I am about to post a new blog. Hate breaking up the ongoing thread but tomorrow is a travel day for me and there will likely need to be updates on additional roster news -- at the very least, the signing of 2nd/3rd goalies.

Will note here when new blog is posted.

Hamilton doesn't have to sign an OS if he doesn't like it. If he wanted his price it would have been the type to land 4 first rounders.

Boston got a 1st and two 2nds for a defenseman every team covets. A number one franchise guy.
- J35Bacher

Honestly, Boston was the only team who knew what he was asking for. According to some of the rumour guys on TSN and Sportsnet it was just above 7 mil so that would have been a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Ouch


Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 3m3 minutes ago
Hamilton extension is 6 yrs and close to $34.5 mil total. Flames pushed for 8 yrs and Hamilton wanted 5. Good compromise.

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I wouldn't sign anyone. Maybe a depth scoring forward like notes who got waived Just go with it and take the cap space
- Just5

White?