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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 30 @ 12:55 PM ET
I like keeping Gagner. If he doesn't pan out, he's gone in a year. If he does, he's young enough to be a piece moving forward, or as a trade chip. Either way, I'm happy he's stivking
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jun 30 @ 12:55 PM ET
nvm
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jun 30 @ 12:57 PM ET
NHLSourcesSay ‏@NHLSourcesSay 1m1 minute ago

#Bruins trade G Martin Jones for D prospect Mirco Mueller and 2016 2nd rounder. #Bruins #NHL #Sharks

- Streit2ThePoint

That's a pretty solid return.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 30 @ 12:57 PM ET
NHLSourcesSay ‏@NHLSourcesSay 1m1 minute ago

#Bruins trade G Martin Jones for D prospect Mirco Mueller and 2016 2nd rounder. #Bruins #NHL #Sharks

- Streit2ThePoint


Sweeney must have been replaced by someone competent.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 12:58 PM ET
WE can debate every GM.

Most have good and bad deals.

Cut from the same cloth as acting a little impulsively rather than looking at a 5 year plan. I think Hextall has more an eye to the future as well as the present then some of the previous GMs.

- J35Bacher



When and if the Flyers get to the point of being a contender, then what will his approach be?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 30 @ 12:59 PM ET
I am still laughing at this
- AllInForFlyers

Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jun 30 @ 1:00 PM ET
Try this one:


Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 10s10 seconds ago
Sharks give up a 2016 first-round draft pick plus unsigned prospect Sean Kuraly for Martin Jones
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 30 @ 1:00 PM ET
Me neither, but I wish it would happen.
works for the NFL.

And the 2 draftee thing is well and good, but don't they have agreement with those junior governing bodies? they aren't going to be happy about that.

- nails


$$ changes everything.

Maybe some agreement where, if you take one of the 18/19 year olds and play him in the AHL, you are obligated to pay his junior team his NHL base salary for that season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 1:01 PM ET
It is completely different. The styles are not even remotely close.

Hextall is building through youth, and saving cap space for the future.

Is that the same thing Holmgren did?

Not saying Holmgren didnt do a good job at turning the team around early on, but they are on totally different ends of the spectrum at this point.

- jak521



Things have changed since then. Top defenseman such as Timonen, just aren't available anymore. A GM has to adapt to the league. I wouldn't expect their styles to be the same, and that wasn't really the point. The point is that things change over time, hard to compare a GM who has been at the post for a year, versus a GM that was at the post for how many years, in a different era?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 30 @ 1:01 PM ET
Try this one:


Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 10s10 seconds ago
Sharks give up a 2016 first-round draft pick plus unsigned prospect Sean Kuraly for Martin Jones

- Streit2ThePoint


So they got two 1sts for Lucic.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 30 @ 1:02 PM ET
I like keeping Gagner. If he doesn't pan out, he's gone in a year. If he does, he's young enough to be a piece moving forward, or as a trade chip. Either way, I'm happy he's stivking
- Jsaquella

He's 26. He's a vet.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 1:02 PM ET
So if one of our free agents suffer a brutal injury. One of them has an all-star season, or one of them flat out sucks? Way to many variable to be sure of how easy-hard it would be to resign them.


Perfect example. We sign MDZ to a one year deal. He puts up 45 points next season. Is he an easy sign? Doubt it.

- jak521



Sure it's still easy. Just have to pay what the market demands for the player. If a player suffers a brutal injury, why would you want to re-sign him? Or if he sucks. The you get someone else. Not a big deal.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 30 @ 1:05 PM ET
That's a pretty solid return.
- TobyFlenderson


The Sweeney family must've put on their rally caps, because that isn't bad at all for a goalie who everyone knows wasn't going to be your No. 1
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 30 @ 1:06 PM ET
$$ changes everything.


- jmatchett383




quote friendly sizing
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 30 @ 1:06 PM ET
He was with their AHL team last year
- Scoob


Thanks. Clearly I need to pay closer attention...
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 30 @ 1:08 PM ET
The Sweeney family must've put on their rally caps, because that isn't bad at all for a goalie who everyone knows wasn't going to be your No. 1
- AllInForFlyers

He just turned up more for Lucic than he did for Hamilton. That may temper the rally a bit.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jun 30 @ 1:10 PM ET
Try this one:


Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 10s10 seconds ago
Sharks give up a 2016 first-round draft pick plus unsigned prospect Sean Kuraly for Martin Jones

- Streit2ThePoint

Not bad.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jun 30 @ 1:17 PM ET
Not bad.
- TobyFlenderson


No not at all. Should put some Bruins fans at ease for a little while
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 30 @ 1:18 PM ET
we'd have to trade someone if we sign frolik right?
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 30 @ 1:19 PM ET


quote friendly sizing

- Scoob

benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jun 30 @ 1:19 PM ET
dude.. shes 14
- jak521


yeah that's not true brother. she's like 2 or three years older than me making her 24ish.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 30 @ 1:19 PM ET
No not at all. Should put some Bruins fans at ease for a little while
- Streit2ThePoint


Somehow Lucic on a one year deal gets them more than Hamilton
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 30 @ 1:19 PM ET
He just turned up more for Lucic than he did for Hamilton. That may temper the rally a bit.
- mayorofangrytown


Oh, by all means, it's still net negative because the Hamilton deal is so damn brutal, but I can acknowledge that cashing in Martin Jones for that return is pretty good
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 30 @ 1:21 PM ET
we'd have to trade someone if we sign frolik right?
- 2Real


Depends on the number, but they do have a contract slot available at the NHL level after moving Rinaldo
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 1:27 PM ET
Oh, by all means, it's still net negative because the Hamilton deal is so damn brutal, but I can acknowledge that cashing in Martin Jones for that return is pretty good
- AllInForFlyers



The decision to trade Hamilton by itself is very questionable. With the premium on good defenseman in the league today, to not get more then they did, is really a bad deal.
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