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VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 23 @ 12:37 PM ET
The real pressure leading up to the draft, free agency, and generally the look of the team next season lies with Lawrence Gilman.
Canuckleafer
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.18.2013

Jun 23 @ 12:38 PM ET
They'll trade Bieksa and sign Franson


with Franson, Tanev, Edler you have 3 guys out of your top four that still have lots of years of serviceability in them.

Hopefully that buys them some time to find some better options... that isn't exactly a championship caliber defense

- Mungo


Signing Franson will make you long for Bieksa's stellar defensive play.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 23 @ 12:40 PM ET
He isn't getting lowballed. The market is set by supply and demand. There is a tonne of supply and limited demand.

At this point, Lack has proved to be nothing more than an average starting goalie. A really likeable, average starting goalie.

- KB3Point0


If the market's not there, don't trade him. I doesn't have to happen at the draft.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 23 @ 12:41 PM ET
It's been so long since the canucks 'won' a trade. The only time our team wins is when we trade with guys like the Mad Mike's (Milbury or Keenan). Thise types of GMs are long gone.

Our team will need to be built through the draft.

- bloatedmosquito


Luongo (acquiring, not trading away)
Ehrhoff
Kassian (hopefully)
Dorsett
Higgins

Isn't like we've been taken to school on too many trades in that time. We just haven't made many trades of substance, which has probably been the bigger issue. Hanging on to players too long, lack of player movement, etc.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 23 @ 12:44 PM ET
Be grateful for whoever we pick on Friday, it could be worse.

Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 23 @ 12:44 PM ET
Signing Franson will make you want to have Bieksa back for his stellar defensive play.
- Canuckleafer

I don't understand the Franson boner some people have. He'll make Sbisa look like a Norris candidate.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 23 @ 12:44 PM ET
If the market's not there, don't trade him. I doesn't have to happen at the draft.
- VanHockeyGuy


They HAVE to trade one of them before the end of the summer. Keeping all 3 is not an option. Lack's value will do nothing but drop after the draft.

It doesn't have to happen at the draft, but that is when they will get the best value. If they wait then teams looking for goalies will start to sign UFAs and others will acquire guys via trade. The less potential trade partners the more teams will be able to lowball us.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 23 @ 12:46 PM ET
The real pressure leading up to the draft, free agency, and generally the look of the team next season lies with Lawrence Gilman.
- VanHockeyGuy


Who was negotiating with Sbisa and Dorsett? JB or Gilman?
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 23 @ 12:47 PM ET
Who was negotiating with Sbisa and Dorsett? JB or Gilman?
- hillbillydeluxe


Gilman manages the cap space.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:48 PM ET
He isn't getting lowballed. The market is set by supply and demand. There is a tonne of supply and limited demand.

At this point, Lack has proved to be nothing more than an average starting goalie. A really likeable, average starting goalie.

- KB3Point0


Alex Auld 2.0
Mungo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: VANCOUVER, BC
Joined: 03.10.2014

Jun 23 @ 12:49 PM ET
Signing Franson will make you want to have Bieksa back for his stellar defensive play.
- Canuckleafer



They both struggle in the defensive end... but i'd take Franson over Bieksa.... he can actually move the puck up well. Bieksa is way too casual with the puck and takes forever to move the puck up ice. Plus Franson would be a big upgrade for our pp!
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 23 @ 12:50 PM ET
Gilman manages the cap space.
- VanHockeyGuy


Knew he was the capologist, but thought he negotiated contracts too. Back when MG was here and Gilman was hired, thought MG said he dealt/negotiated with Gilman when he was an agent and Gilman was with the Yotes.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 23 @ 12:51 PM ET
Alex Auld 2.0
- bloatedmosquito


Vancouver Goalie drama, it never goes away.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jun 23 @ 12:52 PM ET
Be grateful for whoever we pick on Friday, it could be worse.


- VanHockeyGuy


another Vancouver sports franchise that was managed into the ground. We are cursed.
Canuckleafer
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.18.2013

Jun 23 @ 12:52 PM ET
They both struggle in the defensive end... but i'd take Franson over Bieksa.... he can actually move the puck up well. Bieksa is way too casual with the puck and takes forever to move the puck up ice. Plus Franson would be a big upgrade for our pp!
- Mungo


Would you take Franson at 5+? 6? Because that's what his reported demands have been.

Mungo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: VANCOUVER, BC
Joined: 03.10.2014

Jun 23 @ 12:58 PM ET
Would you take Franson at 5+? 6? Because that's what his reported demands have been.
- Canuckleafer



I wouldn't go more than 4.5 or around there personally. He's a local boy so i don't think that's out of the realm of possibility. I think his "demands" were made public because he just wanted to get out of TO.... and can you blame him?
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 23 @ 1:00 PM ET
Interesting piece on MG vs JB

http://www.vancitybuzz.co...ke-gillis-vs-jim-benning/
Linden_4_Capt
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ON
Joined: 01.23.2014

Jun 23 @ 1:07 PM ET
I wouldn't go more than 4.5 or around there personally. He's a local boy so i don't think that's out of the realm of possibility. I think his "demands" were made public because he just wanted to get out of TO.... and can you blame him?
- Mungo

I would not sign him et all. It does not make any sense. We are not a contender. At best we are a playoff bubble team. Cap space this year will be worth its weight in gold. If we trade KB and Higgins and maybe Lack. I say we keep the cap space play the younger kids on ELC and come trade deadline when we ship Hammer we can take a bad contract back if that means getting 2 firsts. Teams will be desperate. I would play Vrabata wit the twins and then trade at TDL for another 1st + salary dump and prospect. Teams like Pens, Chi, Nyr will always look for that edge to win it all.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 23 @ 1:11 PM ET
Knew he was the capologist, but thought he negotiated contracts too. Back when MG was here and Gilman was hired, thought MG said he dealt/negotiated with Gilman when he was an agent and Gilman was with the Yotes.
- hillbillydeluxe


I'm sure that they communicate throughout the process, regardless of who handles what. Even if Gilman does the negotiating, he would require Benning's sign off. Just work under the assumption that it's a united front.
Mungo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: VANCOUVER, BC
Joined: 03.10.2014

Jun 23 @ 1:15 PM ET
I would not sign him et all. It does not make any sense. We are not a contender. At best we are a playoff bubble team. Cap space this year will be worth its weight in gold. If we trade KB and Higgins and maybe Lack. I say we keep the cap space play the younger kids on ELC and come trade deadline when we ship Hammer we can take a bad contract back if that means getting 2 firsts. Teams will be desperate. I would play Vrabata wit the twins and then trade at TDL for another 1st + salary dump and prospect. Teams like Pens, Chi, Nyr will always look for that edge to win it all.
- Linden_4_Capt



I think the time is now to deal Vrbata.... he doesn't strike me as a guy that teams will fight over at the trade deadline.... but I could see a lot of teams being interested in him now since he does score a lot in the regular season to help you get in the playoffs.

I forget who else mentioned it, but I think you can get a lot more for KB at the trade deadline than you can right now. He's still regarded as a solid D-man and as a UFA there's no fear of the long-term affects on your cap.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 23 @ 1:18 PM ET
Stoll getting charged with felony cocaine possession - old news to some but he got caught with an 8-ball in Vegas.

http://www.tsn.ca/kings-s...caine-possession-1.315078

- docmorgan

If he gets convicted does that change his UFA status to RFA?
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 23 @ 1:22 PM ET
I'm sure that they communicate throughout the process, regardless of who handles what. Even if Gilman does the negotiating, he would require Benning's sign off. Just work under the assumption that it's a united front.
- KB3Point0


Consistent results from MG to JB...
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 23 @ 1:22 PM ET
Be grateful for whoever we pick on Friday, it could be worse.


- VanHockeyGuy

MaWLz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Langley , BC
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jun 23 @ 1:42 PM ET
The score is reporting that rangers turned down 2 2nd rounders for Talbot.. Hopefully that's true
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 23 @ 1:56 PM ET
The score is reporting that rangers turned down 2 2nd rounders for Talbot.. Hopefully that's true
- MaWLz


And yet that's probably the best they'll get for him. Really don't understand the hype for a back-up on a stacked team. Symptom of a weak pool and the media with no one else to gush over for hours upon hours of air time.
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