Per NHL source, CHI currently asking for 1st rd pick, A-level prospect & top 6 forward on entry-level contract for Patrick Sharp

The Pens usually get a broken down Murray or Morrow and pay dearly for it. When you deal away the future and only get 4 draft picks on Draft Day you better be good at drafting. We haven't been in a long time. Our "home grown" players were all top five picks. Name 1 second round pick.

Once again, like I said to another poster with reading disabilities, I never said he was worth what is being reportedly being asked. The point of my post was that the Hawks will get more back for him the more teams that are interested. Are you going to tell me that teams who feel they are maybe one or two pieces away from seriously contending, never over pay? It happens all the time. Why do you think bad deals happen? Its because GM's panic because they feel the Cup is so within reach.
NY fans are seething about the Yandle trade this year, and to a certain extent the Marty St. Louis trade last year. Why? Because they gave up way too much to make a run at the Cup now
- Katana777

And those were Trade Deadline deals... where prices and your IQ get inflated way above what they actually are.

This is the Draft... Sharp is not getting anywhere close to that, or anywhere close to what you think he will either, no matter how many teams are interested. Get off your fairy tale.

The Pens usually get a broken down Murray or Morrow and pay dearly for it. When you deal away the future and only get 4 draft picks on Draft Day you better be good at drafting. We haven't been in a long time. Our "home grown" players were all top five picks. Name 1 second round pick.
- Badonkadonk

Letang....

Sorry, he was a 3rd round pick.

I don't know you... but you are open to taking Scuderi off of our hands... so I like you...
- Guile

The Pens usually get a broken down Murray or Morrow and pay dearly for it. When you deal away the future and only get 4 draft picks on Draft Day you better be good at drafting. We haven't been in a long time. Our "home grown" players were all top five picks. Name 1 second round pick.
- Badonkadonk

Letang was a 3rd rnd pick (1st pick in 3rd, so kinda a 2nd rounder). We have Jarry and Harrington in the minors as well who were 2nd rnd picks (Demoulin too, but that was via trade)...I think under Shero we did a decent job of drafting actually. He tried to draft forwards (most famously Tarasenko), but it didn't materialize or the D players were just ranked higher (D has more value than F usually anyway but are harder to develop so you need to over-invest in drafting them or you'll end up trading/overpaying with young Fs to get a decent one anyway)

Dumbest post ever... considering they are not working "as a group". They are bidding AGAINST each other, which drives the price up. Hellooo, McFly...anybody home?
Ever been to an auction? Do you understand the premise behind it? Bidding drives the price UP.
Simple supply and demand principle.
- Katana777

That's fine that a bidding war would drive the price up, but the ceiling is a lot lower than most people think.

I think a 2-3rd round pick and a b level prospect is the max the Blackhawks will get.

And those were Trade Deadline deals... where prices and your IQ get inflated way above what they actually are.

This is the Draft... Sharp is not getting anywhere close to that, or anywhere close to what you think he will either, no matter how many teams are interested. Get off your fairy tale.
- Guile

Funny, because I never once mentioned what I think he will net in return. So you, like several others, are reading into it what you want to believe, not what I ever said.
The one thing you are correct on is that trade deadline deals net more than offseason deals, however, the principle remains the same in terms of number of bidders vs. value of the commodity.
I know this concept is hard for junior high schooler wanna be GM's, but try to follow along.

Funny, because I never once mentioned what I think he will net in return. So you, like several others, are reading into it what you want to believe, not what I ever said.
The one thing you are correct on is that trade deadline deals net more than offseason deals, however, the principle remains the same in terms of number of bidders vs. value of the commodity.
I know this concept is hard for junior high schooler wanna be GM's, but try to follow along.
- Katana777

So do you parents know you swiped their credit card to pay for a membership here? Everything you say reeks of stupidity, ignorance, and being under the age of 14.

What might a possible Sharp trade to PIT look like? Throw some names out there that are available.

Dumbest post ever... considering they are not working "as a group". They are bidding AGAINST each other, which drives the price up. Hellooo, McFly...anybody home?
Ever been to an auction? Do you understand the premise behind it? Bidding drives the price UP.
Simple supply and demand principle.
- Katana777

It's not an auction, they are all shopping at Walmart waiting for the rollback pricing cause the ask is outrageous. No one team is dying to get Sharp.

What might a possible Sharp trade to PIT look like? Throw some names out there that are available.
- SUDA88

Sharp to Pitt.... that'd be EK Rumor E6 and click bait E2.

What might a possible Sharp trade to PIT look like? Throw some names out there that are available.
- SUDA88

I would guess the 2015 2nd rounder, Bennett, and Harrington/Dumoulin.

From a post on last page....I agree, Pens are at a cross roads this year, they could very well swing towards a very bad road with some bad/lack of decisions being made. I think it will be difficult for JR to turn it around.

I would guess the 2015 2nd rounder, Bennett, and Harrington/Dumoulin.
- jfkst1

Oh our salary cap... we'd be as tight as Chicago then >_<

I would guess the 2015 2nd rounder, Bennett, and Harrington/Dumoulin.
- jfkst1

Way too much.

Don't want to see any of the top 5 prospects (kapanen, Pouliot, Sunqvist, Dumoulin, and Harrington) going in any deal unless it involves a young top 6 coming back.

Oh our salary cap... we'd be as tight as Chicago then >_<
- Guile

I don't want Sharp at all. CHI isn't taking on salary.

What scares me most about JR, is that he does know that we CAN NOT give up any young players or any more draft choices to get old men like we have been doing for the past eight years? Since JR is not in it for the long run, he may not care and do it anyway. I'll be happy when Sharp and Kessell are trade and to someone else.

That's fine that a bidding war would drive the price up, but the ceiling is a lot lower than most people think.

I think a 2-3rd round pick and a b level prospect is the max the Blackhawks will get.
- cap1681

I agree with you on that. This is a realistic trade value return. Now we will see which of the teams interested pay that, or up the anti to position themselves ahead of their opponent.
Don't think for a minute that Pitt, Wash, and the Isles want to lose out to each other if they feel strongly on a particular player. Division rivalry absolutely comes into play with things of this nature.

I don't want Sharp at all. CHI isn't taking on salary.
- jfkst1

Only way Sharp can even make sense here... going off of your trade... is us getting back a 2nd and a low pick for Kunitz as well. Then, you gave up Bennett (no one would care) and Harrington (I think we'll get over it pretty fast) for Sharp...

Eh, still no.

Once again, like I said to another poster with reading disabilities, I never said he was worth what is being reportedly being asked. The point of my post was that the Hawks will get more back for him the more teams that are interested. Are you going to tell me that teams who feel they are maybe one or two pieces away from seriously contending, never over pay? It happens all the time. Why do you think bad deals happen? Its because GM's panic because they feel the Cup is so within reach.
NY fans are seething about the Yandle trade this year, and to a certain extent the Marty St. Louis trade last year. Why? Because they gave up way too much to make a run at the Cup now
- Katana777

Those are trade deadline deals you're referring to. At this time of year prices aren't as high. Last year at this time Boston and Chicago didn't get full returns on Boychuk or Leddy.

Only way Sharp can even make sense here... going off of your trade... is us getting back a 2nd and a low pick for Kunitz as well. Then, you gave up Bennett (no one would care) and Harrington (I think we'll get over it pretty fast) for Sharp...

Eh, still no.
- Guile

I'd rather have Kunitz on his contract than Sharp on his contract. I don't want Sharp at all. But that is roughly what I think it would take to get him from the Pens perspective.

To be honest, as a PIT fan, I'm kinda scared that they will do something stupid like trade the farm for guys like Sharp, Kessel or Skinner because, if so, I think ownership is forcing it in order to boost current value of the team and so make more $$ off selling it. I think they have done this before (I have no concrete evidence, but it makes sense given the amount of picks being dealt away over the past few years), but it's just too hard to win the cup in the cap era to do such foolish short-term moves. Most of the teams that have thrived in the cap era have been the teams who retain much of their picks, draft smartly, have a solid core of 4-5 players, evaluate aging players well (and pay them accordingly) and have a organizational system in place (i.e., CHI, LA, DET, BOS). The other up and coming younger teams (EDM, BUF, FLA, DAL, etc.) have already been stated as going after this model since it seems to be the best way to sustain a chance of winning each year.

PIT has thinned themselves out as it is, doing more of it is just a backwards mentality. PIT is on the verge of heading down a very dark path; and Rutherford doesn't have the track record of being a GM who can build a team from the ground up (he rarely seeks prospects/picks in trades, often deals them away for much less than their value). He is at best an average GM...personally, I quite liked Shero, who was a longer-term thinker and savvy trade maker, but that's a different rant

IMO PIT needs to (a) develop/use the younger guys and give them a real opportunity to show what they can do (i.e., Bennett, Wilson, Sundquist - Kap isn't ready yet) by rotating them into the top 6 and on PP (they can retain 3rd/4th line roles in general for now but play them a bit more - like what DET does); (b) try to acquire some decent picks (i.e, rnds 2-3), (b) sign some under the radar guys with upside who play aggressively for bottom roles (i.e., Halishcuk, Brodziak, Condra), (c) get one of Soderberg or Belesky (@4-4.5/yr over 4 over 4-5 years to play top 6 wing. (d) sign an older but serviceable #4 D who can chew up minutes but play a solid game (Oduya, Jackman, Hejda) - likely around $4/yr for 2-3 yrs.
(e) if Dupuis is indeed back and 100% healthy, deal Kunitz for a pick (3rd/4th likely) IF he doesn't fit under the cap. (f) trade Lovejoy for anything (say 5th-7th rnd pick)

As much as I like Harrington and think he will be a really solid top 4 guy in a couple of years, I think we should package him with Sutter or Spaling to get a potential top 6 winger or more appropriate #3C i.e.

Spaling+Harrington to CBJ for Jenner (I could work with Atkinson/Rychel as well, slightly changes a FA signing below)
Sutter to CAR for Semin (@3.5/yr) + 2nd round pick

Perron - Crosby - Hornquist
Soderberg/Belesky - Malkin - Semin
Kunitz/Dupuis - Jenner - Bennett
Sundquist (as C) - two of Winnick/Halischuk/Condra/etc (or Kunitz if he fits in the cap)
Wilson

Letang - Maatta
Pouliot - Hejda/Oduya/Jackman
Demoulin - Chorny
Scuderi (I think there are too many reasons not to buy him out)
- mventres

Thank God you are not the GM because that team isn't going anywhere with that D corp.

What scares me most about JR, is that he does know that we CAN NOT give up any young players or any more draft choices to get old men like we have been doing for the past eight years? Since JR is not in it for the long run, he may not care and do it anyway. I'll be happy when Sharp and Kessell are trade and to someone else.
- stevens87

He did give up a lot in Carolina to come here as the GM... you'd have to believe he wants something more long term. Unless this is him turning into a new Penguin part owner?

It's not an auction, they are all shopping at Walmart waiting for the rollback pricing cause the ask is outrageous. No one team is dying to get Sharp.
- nelson911

Right, because 30 goal scorers with Stanley Cup Championship experience grow on trees.
Yes he is expensive and on the decline. But his contract is only for 2 more years, so a team on the cusp (Wash, Pitt, Isles) will be willing to take a chance on the contract in return for a proven winner with something left in the tank to get their team over the hump. Happens ALL THE TIME.

I agree with you on that. This is a realistic trade value return. Now we will see which of the teams interested pay that, or up the anti to position themselves ahead of their opponent.
Don't think for a minute that Pitt, Wash, and the Isles want to lose out to each other if they feel strongly on a particular player. Division rivalry absolutely comes into play with things of this nature.
- Katana777

There may be some bidding, but teams know they have to dump sharp. Like someone said before, no one is going to be desperate for sharp and offer some ridiculous package. The longer the Hawks wait, the worse position they will be in.