Hate to break it to you but Ouellet isn't that great. I'd move XO in a heartbeat for Draisaitl.
- Mr_Underwood

Ouellette isn't some super star no. But draisaitl hasn't done anything in the nhl to prove he's worth a steep payment.

Ouellette isn't some super star no. But draisaitl hasn't done anything in the nhl to prove he's worth a steep payment.
- digitalbath

Agreed. If the deal was Mantha + something that isn't this year's 1st (Maybe Jensen or if they wanted Sproul). The inflated value of Draisaitl over Mantha has a lot to do with Manthony's season which I think most wings fans are prepared to write off. Basically swapping two blue chip prospects shouldn't result in one team having to throw in multiple extra pieces because one player's perceived value is down

Agreed. If the deal was Mantha + something that isn't this year's 1st (Maybe Jensen or if they wanted Sproul). The inflated value of Draisaitl over Mantha has a lot to do with Manthony's season which I think most wings fans are prepared to write off. Basically swapping two blue chip prospects shouldn't result in one team having to throw in multiple extra pieces because one player's perceived value is down
- JohnnySoze

this exactly. Theres no reason to overpay for him just because of perception. Im not saying im intrigued with a deal to attain him, but if this means mantha plus our first plus XO? i think thats an overpayment

this exactly. Theres no reason to overpay for him just because of perception. Im not saying im intrigued with a deal to attain him, but if this means mantha plus our first plus XO? i think thats an overpayment
- digitalbath

It's not overpayment. It's probably not even enough to get Draisaitl.

It's not overpayment. It's probably not even enough to get Draisaitl.
- Mr_Underwood

Too late (frank)ers. Talbot is already getting traded for the 16th and Draisaitl. suck it

this exactly. Theres no reason to overpay for him just because of perception. Im not saying im intrigued with a deal to attain him, but if this means mantha plus our first plus XO? i think thats an overpayment
- digitalbath

Overpay? How do you figure?

Overpay? How do you figure?
- HonkyTonkMan

What up honky.....

What up honky.....
- Shaggy420

Got a rough case of the hemhoroids this afternoon. You?

Hate to break it to you but Ouellet isn't that great. I'd move XO in a heartbeat for Draisaitl.
- Mr_Underwood

I disagree

I disagree
- Pasha13

You can disagree, but you're wrong. XO is an above average defenseman.

I disagree
- Pasha13

You guys are hysterical.

You can disagree, but you're wrong. XO is an above average defenseman.
- TokenBlack

I don't think he's gonna be elite but a solid top four IMO, hell of a lot smarter of a player than smith.

You guys are hysterical.
- Mr_Underwood

I'm just happy ur not gm

It's not overpayment. It's probably not even enough to get Draisaitl.
- Mr_Underwood

Edit. 2 goals?

Well they can keep him then. We're talking about prospects. They're not a sure fire thing. He has 0 nhl goals. He has not proven he's worth that much and there's no reason to believe he's going to be a superstar just yet. Just because he was drafted that high really does not instantly justify trading 3 players who could really help us in a time of rebuilding.

I'm just happy ur not gm
- Pasha13

Yeah trading XO would be stupid. He's the next Brett Lebda.

Edit. 2 goals?

Well they can keep him then. We're talking about prospects. They're not a sure fire thing. He has 0 nhl goals. He has not proven he's worth that much and there's no reason to believe he's going to be a superstar just yet. Just because he was drafted that high really does not instantly justify trading 3 players who could really help us in a time of rebuilding.
- digitalbath

Yeah top 3 picks rarely pan out. I wouldn't want a potential elite two way center anyways.

Yeah top 3 picks rarely pan out. I wouldn't want a potential elite two way center anyways.
- Feds91Stammer

i didnt say he wouldnt pan out, but you guys wanna give up 3 players with very high potential for 1, who again is only potential, none of these guys are a sure thing.

theres been PLENTY of times a super high draft pick hasnt amounted to half as much as a guy drafted behind him, so if you want to base everything off of where a guy was drafted i feel thats a mistake. Jamie benn and PK subban were both drafted behind brendan smith? that one always killed me, imagine having one of them instead of smith.

that same draft alzner and hickey went 4/5 overall, yet shatenkirk and couture went later in the same round.

Im not saying this is an identical situations by any means, but in your guys mind set, brendan smith got drafted higher, so he must be better? (at the time, you would have been saying this).. so in 5 years if mantha is dominating the NHL and Leon is only very good, youll be saying "hollands an idiot!!" ) we would be trading our 1st round pick this year, who could be a stud for someone who isnt a sure thing. If it was simply mantha plus another decent prospect fine, but mantha+1st+XO, is an overpayment, it really is.

i didnt say he wouldnt pan out, but you guys wanna give up 3 players with very high potential for 1, who again is only potential, none of these guys are a sure thing.

theres been PLENTY of times a super high draft pick hasnt amounted to half as much as a guy drafted behind him, so if you want to base everything off of where a guy was drafted i feel thats a mistake. Jamie benn and PK subban were both drafted behind brendan smith? that one always killed me, imagine having one of them instead of smith.

that same draft alzner and hickey went 4/5 overall, yet shatenkirk and couture went later in the same round.

Im not saying this is an identical situations by any means, but in your guys mind set, brendan smith got drafted higher, so he must be better? (at the time, you would have been saying this).. so in 5 years if mantha is dominating the NHL and Leon is only very good, youll be saying "hollands an idiot!!" ) we would be trading our 1st round pick this year, who could be a stud for someone who isnt a sure thing. If it was simply mantha plus another decent prospect fine, but mantha+1st+XO, is an overpayment, it really is.
- digitalbath

It comes down to, what are the Wings going to do for a number 1 center? Larkin probably is at the VERY best a 1b, high 2 center. He's not the solution to losing Datsyuk. Losing XO and Mantha for a potentially number 1 center with size, skill and speed might be worth the loss.. even if it doesn't pan out.

It comes down to, what are the Wings going to do for a number 1 center? Larkin probably is at the VERY best a 1b, high 2 center. He's not the solution to losing Datsyuk. Losing XO and Mantha for a potentially number 1 center with size, skill and speed might be worth the loss.. even if it doesn't pan out.
- TokenBlack

so, what makes draisatl better than larkin? larkin killed it in college. Straight up killed it, larkin hasn't played an NHL game yet, so no one knows whether he can or will be the #1 center, Datsyuk is basically irreplaceable so even if we got Leon, there's no absolute guarantee hes going to be #1 center.

this is all POTENTIAL

again, im not in ANY way saying leon doesnt have amazing potential, and i wouldnt trade mantha, but if it takes mantha +1st +XO, then i would rather keep those 3 guys. this is a great draft year, that 1st round pick could really be someone special.

so, what makes draisatl better than larkin? larkin killed it in college. Straight up killed it, larkin hasn't played an NHL game yet, so no one knows whether he can or will be the #1 center, Datsyuk is basically irreplaceable so even if we got Leon, there's no absolute guarantee hes going to be #1 center.

this is all POTENTIAL

again, im not in ANY way saying leon doesnt have amazing potential, and i wouldnt trade mantha, but if it takes mantha +1st +XO, then i would rather keep those 3 guys. this is a great draft year, that 1st round pick could really be someone special.
- digitalbath

What makes LArkin better than LD?

so, what makes draisatl better than larkin? larkin killed it in college. Straight up killed it, larkin hasn't played an NHL game yet, so no one knows whether he can or will be the #1 center, Datsyuk is basically irreplaceable so even if we got Leon, there's no absolute guarantee hes going to be #1 center.

this is all POTENTIAL

again, im not in ANY way saying leon doesnt have amazing potential, and i wouldnt trade mantha, but if it takes mantha +1st +XO, then i would rather keep those 3 guys. this is a great draft year, that 1st round pick could really be someone special.
- digitalbath

Draisaitl is bigger and stronger. He has much higher offensive potential.

What makes LArkin better than LD?
- HonkyTonkMan

USA > Germany

What makes LArkin better than LD?
- HonkyTonkMan

well i didnt say larkin is better, he isnt, but im just trying to emphasize theres no actual proof that Leon is instantly better because he was drafted higher. If we were talking a larkin for draisaitl trade straight up? of course we make that deal. Which i know would never be the case But if its larkin+mantha? no i dont do that deal, we need youth bad, if its larkin+mantha, that sort of deal needs to be for a proven NHL player

well i didnt say larkin is better, he isnt, but im just trying to emphasize theres no actual proof that Leon is instantly better because he was drafted higher. If we were talking a larkin for draisaitl trade straight up? of course we make that deal. Which i know would never be the case But if its larkin+mantha? no i dont do that deal, we need youth bad, if its larkin+mantha, that sort of deal needs to be for a proven NHL player
- digitalbath

Who said anything about Larkin and Mantha for Draisaitl? You're embarassing yourself right now.