Does he take a bridge deal If Calgary or Edmonton offer up 5yrs at 7.2? Money talks, bullpoop walks.
- HonkyTonkMan

That changes my opinion?

Well I doubt that happens in the real world? (frank) it just offer sheet him and pay less why dance around it? As we all know there's a lot of potential for that to happen with the Oilers doing it and it makes it even more interesting with Chiarelli as your new GM. The question is does Hamilton accept the offer?
- Cptmjl

Money talks, bullpoop walks.....Edmonton ain't so bad for a guy Hamiltons age, + there's that McDavid guy who might be interesting to play with. Still cold up there.

Money talks, bullpoop walks.....Edmonton ain't so bad for a guy Hamiltons age, + there's that McDavid guy who might be interesting to play with. Still cold up there.
- HonkyTonkMan

Cold here too. Money keeps you warm.

That changes my opinion?
- glove_was_stuck

Well...not sure it makes him an bumhole or bad team guy to sign a lucrative offer sheet, does it?

Cold here too. Money keeps you warm.
- glove_was_stuck

Yeah it does. I have a money-burning stove in my apartment.

Well...not sure it makes him an bumhole or bad team guy to sign a lucrative offer sheet, does it?
- HonkyTonkMan

Yeah knowing the situation cap wise sucks at the moment you go for that contract and force the team dump guys just to pay you. It further hamstrings the teams ability to put guys around you, help you succeed and overall everything around you is weaker.

Another thing to consider if you're Hamilton, is Rask and Subban. Allow the team flexibility to help overall success and you end with a more lucrative contract in the long run if you prove your worth.

Or take the short sided view, (frank) your team over or take the offer sheet and get the (frank) out.

Yeah knowing the situation cap wise sucks at the moment you go for that contract and force the team dump guys just to pay you. It further hamstrings the teams ability to put guys around you, help you succeed and overall everything around you is weaker.

Another thing to consider if you're Hamilton, is Rask and Subban. Allow the team flexibility to help overall success and you end with a more lucrative contract in the long run if you prove your worth.

Or take the short sided view, (frank) your team over or take the offer sheet and get the (frank) out.
- glove_was_stuck

Well here's what needs to eventually happen:

Somehow, some way, players need to be paid a prime price for prime years. It's getting better, but it's a disgrace that some players like Dougie have to make less than their counterparts on other teams because managment wanted or needed to pay Chara close to 7 million annually until he's 40.

Each and every team with salary issues has at least one player who is past their prime making prime money. Every team has a bargain of a 2nd contract somewhere as well.


Edit: not picking on Boston, just an example.

Cold here too. Money buys hookers and blow that will keep you warm.
- glove_was_stuck

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Money talks, bullpoop walks.....Edmonton ain't so bad for a guy Hamiltons age, + there's that McDavid guy who might be interesting to play with. Still cold up there.
- HonkyTonkMan

We said the same thing about Tavares when we drafted him. Didn't help unfortunately

That doesn't mean it would be the same for Hamilton. Who has big holes in his defensive game and does not hit. If I am Sweeney I try to convince him to sign a bridge deal and take the risk.

EDIT: Dougie also being aware of the current situation the team is in purposely making it worse. (frank)ing douche, way to play for the team.
- glove_was_stuck

Kessel did the same Get used to it....

Well here's what needs to eventually happen:

Somehow, some way, players need to be paid a prime price for prime years. It's getting better, but it's a disgrace that some players like Dougie have to make less than their counterparts on other teams because managment wanted or needed to pay Chara close to 7 million annually until he's 40.

Each and every team with salary issues has at least one player who is past their prime making prime money. Every team has a bargain of a 2nd contract somewhere as well.


Edit: not picking on Boston, just an example.
- HonkyTonkMan

To me that's what makes it all the whole thing more exciting. Sure, it sucks when it's your team, but the pressure is on GM's to make it work.

Call me a homer, but Snow has been absolutely fantastic at getting guys to sign ridiculously team-friendly contracts. Forget about Tavares, who probably has the best contract in the league (you could also argue Josi). He resigned Hamonic dirt cheap through 2020. For some reason people scoffed at the Leddy deal, but after the stellar season he had I think an AAV of $5.5M is going to be absolute steal in a year or two.

GM's, especially big-market ones, shouldn't just be able to throw around cash all over the place (looking at you, Glen Sather). That's the entire point of the cap. It make's it extremely difficult and keeps all 30 teams mostly on par.

To me that's what makes it all the whole thing more exciting. Sure, it sucks when it's your team, but the pressure is on GM's to make it work.

Call me a homer, but Snow has been absolutely fantastic at getting guys to sign ridiculously team-friendly contracts. Forget about Tavares, who probably has the best contract in the league (you could also argue Josi). He resigned Hamonic dirt cheap through 2020. For some reason people scoffed at the Leddy deal, but after the stellar season he had I think an AAV of $5.5M is going to be absolute steal in a year or two.

GM's, especially big-market ones, shouldn't just be able to throw around cash all over the place (looking at you, Glen Sather). That's the entire point of the cap. It make's it extremely difficult and keeps all 30 teams mostly on par.
- eichiefs9

(frank) that! No salary cap where we can spend to our hearts content...... still remember the day we signed Mogilny as a free agent!!!!!!

To me that's what makes it all the whole thing more exciting. Sure, it sucks when it's your team, but the pressure is on GM's to make it work.

Call me a homer, but Snow has been absolutely fantastic at getting guys to sign ridiculously team-friendly contracts. Forget about Tavares, who probably has the best contract in the league (you could also argue Josi). He resigned Hamonic dirt cheap through 2020. For some reason people scoffed at the Leddy deal, but after the stellar season he had I think an AAV of $5.5M is going to be absolute steal in a year or two.

GM's, especially big-market ones, shouldn't just be able to throw around cash all over the place (looking at you, Glen Sather). That's the entire point of the cap. It make's it extremely difficult and keeps all 30 teams mostly on par.
- eichiefs9

Exactly...and then turn around with this "unwritten rule" about offer sheets?

Let's see here....we drafted the kid in the 1st round here...signed to an ELC here....we expect him to be pretty good by the time his ELC is up.....think we should plan to have $Xxxx in cap space by then?

Kessel did the same Get used to it....
- PhilMcCracken

Yeah they weren't wrong about paying Kessel. I'm basing this solely on all the success you've had?

Exactly...and then turn around with this "unwritten rule" about offer sheets?

Let's see here....we drafted the kid in the 1st round here...signed to an ELC here....we expect him to be pretty good by the time his ELC is up.....think we should plan to have $Xxxx in cap space by then?
- HonkyTonkMan

Snow just bypasses that second RFA contract and signs them relatively cheap and long term. It's a bit of a gamble, but in the case of Hamonic I think it was genius. He's signed for another 5 seasons at sub-$4M. If the cap continues to rise that number is only going to look better.

(frank) that! No salary cap where we can spend to our hearts content...... still remember the day we signed Mogilny as a free agent!!!!!!
- PhilMcCracken

That was so bad for the rest of us tho....nowadays everyon spends 60-70 million....with no cap the Rangers, Leafs, And Flyers would probably be around $140,000,000

Yeah they weren't wrong about paying Kessel. I'm basing this solely on all the success you've had?
- glove_was_stuck

Yeah they weren't wrong about paying Kessel. I'm basing this solely on all the success you've had?
- glove_was_stuck

Well here's what needs to eventually happen:

Somehow, some way, players need to be paid a prime price for prime years. It's getting better, but it's a disgrace that some players like Dougie have to make less than their counterparts on other teams because managment wanted or needed to pay Chara close to 7 million annually until he's 40.

Each and every team with salary issues has at least one player who is past their prime making prime money. Every team has a bargain of a 2nd contract somewhere as well.


Edit: not picking on Boston, just an example.
- HonkyTonkMan

This is incredibly short sided...again. I would still sign Chara to that deal again. Back when it was signed was he was still a premiere d-man. Then he lead the Bruins to a cup and another finals appearance. You had to accept the good with bad on that deal.

You also missed the part where PC, YOUR NEW GUY. Created a core of 12 guys, overpaid them and gave them NTC/NMCs, combined with poor drafting and lack of patience for premier talent. This is why Boston's cap is a mess. Not signing the right players, drafting well and letting the role playesr go when their time is up.

Lastly, you could still sign Hamilton to a lucrative deal and have him end up in Savard/Pronger land, or he could start shredding knees. Just because he is 21 it's not a 100% guarantee that he's going to be a rock star for 7 years.

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- dothedougie

This is incredibly short sided...again. I would still sign Chara to that deal again. Back when it was signed was he was still a premiere d-man. Then he lead the Bruins to a cup and another finals appearance. You had to accept the good with bad on that deal.

You also missed the part where PC, YOUR NEW GUY. Created a core of 12 guys, overpaid them and gave them NTC/NMCs, combined with poor drafting and lack of patience for premier talent. This is why Boston's cap is a mess. Not signing the right players, drafting well and letting the role playesr go when their time is up.

Lastly, you could still sign Hamilton to a lucrative deal and have him end up in Savard/Pronger land, or he could start shredding knees. Just because he is 21 it's not a 100% guarantee that he's going to be a rock star for 7 years.
- glove_was_stuck

Absolutely. People have to let go of the notion that players contracts have to be fantastic from beginning to end. Those days were over years ago. You win a cup consider yourself lucky and if that player helps you get there it's a good contract(there are exceptions of course).

Absolutely. People have to let go of the notion that players contracts have to be fantastic from beginning to end. Those days were over years ago. You win a cup consider yourself lucky and if that player helps you get there it's a good contract(there are exceptions of course).
- Cptmjl

He is also an easy target to use for those who hate both him and Boston. I'm sure he cares about as much as Boston does.

This is incredibly short sided...again. I would still sign Chara to that deal again. Back when it was signed was he was still a premiere d-man. Then he lead the Bruins to a cup and another finals appearance. You had to accept the good with bad on that deal.

You also missed the part where PC, YOUR NEW GUY. Created a core of 12 guys, overpaid them and gave them NTC/NMCs, combined with poor drafting and lack of patience for premier talent. This is why Boston's cap is a mess. Not signing the right players, drafting well and letting the role playesr go when their time is up.

Lastly, you could still sign Hamilton to a lucrative deal and have him end up in Savard/Pronger land, or he could start shredding knees. Just because he is 21 it's not a 100% guarantee that he's going to be a rock star for 7 years.
- glove_was_stuck

I didn't miss nothing, PC scares the (frank) out of me. We just need a system where nobody can afford to pay older players big money until their 40. For every Nik Lidstrom there's a dozen Brad Richards...but I would gamble that , for example, Brandon Saad, Dougie Hamilton, and Nail Yakupov will be more valuable and paid far less 6-8 years from now than Milan Lucic, Evgeni Malkin or Shea Weber.

He is also an easy target to use for those who hate both him and Boston. I'm sure he cares about as much as Boston does.
- glove_was_stuck

Not me...I like the B's and I like Chara. I would take him and his salary on my team...the fact his contract expires in 3 yrs is actually a selling feature where my team is concerned.

He is also an easy target to use for those who hate both him and Boston. I'm sure he cares about as much as Boston does.
- glove_was_stuck

Look at Chicago. I love how opposing fans scoff at the contracts on their team. Are you (frank)ing kidding me? Look what they have accomplished. Also, it always seems to be the fans of perennial losers that are throwing the daggers like they just don't get it(this wasn't directed at the Oilers or their fans honkytonkman it was a generalized statement).